Is everyone who votes Labour an anti-Semite, duvb?
Not everyone in labour is an anti-Semite but every anti-Semite votes labour.
Even the Nazi ones? I find that unlikely.
Bera's doing a riff on the 2016 referendum. Not everybody who voted leave is a racist but all of the racists voted leave. Much more believable.
Re: I Shall Vote Labour
Posted: Thu Oct 31, 2019 4:49 pm
by Redcard
I am aware of the subject matter of German Zionists, however hitler was trying to facilitate the removal of German Jews to Palestine in exchange for their property, not to encourage a Jewish homeland, but to kill two birds with one stone, by ridding Germany of Jews and to steal their wealth.
We are discussing corbyn laying a wreath at the grave of a murderer of Jews and his ludicrous explanation , prince Charles or any government organization has nothing whatsoever to do with that.
Re: I Shall Vote Labour
Posted: Thu Oct 31, 2019 4:56 pm
by tuffers#1
But as Livingstone said
"Hitler then went mad & Started killing Jews " .
Since then there has been the
"Labour Party is full of Anti Semetism "
The PM of the uk lays a reef at the unknown soldier
Do you stand up & Criticise them for the murders carried out by British soldiers ?
Not deaths of war , but outright murder ?
No i dont think you do .
So the argument is done .
Corbyn was at a reef laying ceremony of a man
Accused of killing Jewish athletes .
Thatcher invited Pinochet , the murderer of 30'000 of his own citizens , etc etc etc .
All murder is wrong .
It does not mean we cannot engage with those murderers to stop more murdet.
Talking can actually make peace.
Re: I Shall Vote Labour
Posted: Thu Oct 31, 2019 5:25 pm
by Disoriented
tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Thu Oct 31, 2019 4:56 pm
But as Livingstone said
"Hitler then went mad & Started killing Jews " .
Since then there has been the
"Labour Party is full of Anti Semetism "
The PM of the uk lays a reef at the unknown soldier
Do you stand up & Criticise them for the murders carried out by British soldiers ?
Not deaths of war , but outright murder ?
No i dont think you do .
So the argument is done .
Corbyn was at a reef laying ceremony of a man
Accused of killing Jewish athletes .
Thatcher invited Pinochet , the murderer of 30'000 of his own citizens , etc etc etc .
All murder is wrong .
It does not mean we cannot engage with those murderers to stop more murdet.
tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Thu Oct 31, 2019 4:56 pm
But as Livingstone said
"Hitler then went mad & Started killing Jews " .
Since then there has been the
"Labour Party is full of Anti Semetism "
The PM of the uk lays a reef at the unknown soldier
Do you stand up & Criticise them for the murders carried out by British soldiers ?
Not deaths of war , but outright murder ?
No i dont think you do .
So the argument is done .
Corbyn was at a reef laying ceremony of a man
Accused of killing Jewish athletes .
Thatcher invited Pinochet , the murderer of 30'000 of his own citizens , etc etc etc .
All murder is wrong .
It does not mean we cannot engage with those murderers to stop more murdet.
Talking can actually make peace.
Doesn’t work on here, fella.
I know Des
But verbal Diarrhoea from 1 side will be challenged by
Verbal diarrhoea from the other side.
So make yours effective then fella.
Re: I Shall Vote Labour
Posted: Thu Oct 31, 2019 6:03 pm
by Mikero
"Not everyone in labour is an anti-Semite but every anti-Semite votes labour."
That would include the right wing of the Tory party, the Brexit party and the remains of Ukip then, many of whom are racists. Remember the Jewish people are traditionally socialist in their outlook.
I know Des
But verbal Diarrhoea from 1 side will be challenged by
Verbal diarrhoea from the other side.
So make yours effective then fella.
I think to a point i have Dis .
If you think you can do better please feel free.
Re: I Shall Vote Labour
Posted: Thu Oct 31, 2019 6:11 pm
by Redcard
Marvelous how when faced with the numerous accusations of anti semitism leveled against corbyn tuffers tries to deflect it by broadening the discussion . I will give you another example that you can ignore.
In 2011 corbyn wrote a forward to the book ‘imperialism study by John a Hobson’ which contains in obvious reference to Jews “finance was controlled by men of a singular and peculiar race...........in a unique position to control the policies of nations” . More explicitly he says that Jews are in control of the liquor trade, the stock exchange , and that the war fought in South Africa was being fought to support Jewish interests , who also control the press.
Corbyn in his forward called it “ a great tone, brilliant and controversial at that time”.
A list of people who have called corbyn an anti Semite include Jonathan sacks the chief rabbi, frank field, Margaret hodge, luciana berger, lord sugar, Maureen lipman.
Wrongly accusing a leader of the opposition of being an anti Semite and the potential damage it would cause to his reputation would if proven would amount to literally millions in damages , but of course corbyn knows that he couldn’t win a libel case because of the mountain of damming evidence.
Re: I Shall Vote Labour
Posted: Thu Oct 31, 2019 6:25 pm
by tuffers#1
Redcard wrote: ↑Thu Oct 31, 2019 6:11 pm
Marvelous how when faced with the numerous accusations of anti semitism leveled against corbyn tuffers tries to deflect it by broadening the discussion . I will give you another example that you can ignore.
In 2011 corbyn wrote a forward to the book ‘imperialism study by John a Hobson’ which contains in obvious reference to Jews “finance was controlled by men of a singular and peculiar race...........in a unique position to control the policies of nations” . More explicitly he says that Jews are in control of the liquor trade, the stock exchange , and that the war fought in South Africa was being fought to support Jewish interests , who also control the press.
Corbyn in his forward called it “ a great tone, brilliant and controversial at that time”.
A list of people who have called corbyn an anti Semite include Jonathan sacks the chief rabbi, frank field, Margaret hodge, luciana berger, lord sugar, Maureen lipman.
Wrongly accusing a leader of the opposition of being an anti Semite and the potential damage it would cause to his reputation would if proven would amount to literally millions in damages , but of course corbyn knows that he couldn’t win a libel case because of the mountain of damming evidence.
Im not trying to deflect anything.
You have listed some people & a few Quotes
Where is your proof of these statements .
Links please where what you have said is backed up
Reputable please ,
I suppose ill be inundated with the Daily Fail now .
Re: I Shall Vote Labour
Posted: Thu Oct 31, 2019 6:54 pm
by tuffers#1
Here is 1 link in the telegraph that clearly stated a
10 year association with a group that denies the holocaust , but quite clearly states
" While there is no suggestion Mr Corbyn shares their views, his association raises serious questions about his judgement " .
This may help alter some views if they are prepared to read
Re: I Shall Vote Labour
Posted: Thu Oct 31, 2019 9:00 pm
by Redcard
And you seriously believe anything put out by that group.
Re: I Shall Vote Labour
Posted: Thu Oct 31, 2019 9:20 pm
by Thor
Still tuffers he has not sued anyone for liable or slander has he? You can only draw one conclusion from his inaction to defend his name, integrity and reputation.
Guilty.
Re: I Shall Vote Labour
Posted: Thu Oct 31, 2019 9:24 pm
by Ronnie Hotdogs
Thor wrote: ↑Thu Oct 31, 2019 9:20 pm
Still tuffers he has not sued anyone for liable or slander has he? You can only draw one conclusion from his inaction to defend his name, integrity and reputation.
This may help alter some views if they are prepared to read
Asa Winstanley, himself suspended from the Labour Party.
Re: I Shall Vote Labour
Posted: Thu Oct 31, 2019 10:10 pm
by Red_Army
I will be voting Labour because I care about public services and working people, not because I have a particular liking towards the leader and certainly not because of Israel/Palestine. There is a clear leadership issue, and I hope that this will be resolved soon and people be able to stop talking about Antisemitism.
Re: I Shall Vote Labour
Posted: Thu Oct 31, 2019 10:13 pm
by Ronnie Hotdogs
Red_Army wrote: ↑Thu Oct 31, 2019 10:10 pm
I will be voting Labour because I care about public services and working people, not because I have a particular liking towards the leader and certainly not because of Israel/Palestine. There is a clear leadership issue, and I hope that this will be resolved soon and people be able to stop talking about Antisemitism.
It depends.
If Jezzas eventual successor also believes in rights for the people of Palestine, we’ll still be talking about anti-semitism.
Re: I Shall Vote Labour
Posted: Thu Oct 31, 2019 10:18 pm
by tuffers#1
Red_Army wrote: ↑Thu Oct 31, 2019 10:10 pm
I will be voting Labour because I care about public services and working people, not because I have a particular liking towards the leader and certainly not because of Israel/Palestine. There is a clear leadership issue, and I hope that this will be resolved soon and people be able to stop talking about Antisemitism.
its amazing How man made religions in some countries,
are allowed to dictate who leads another country with no real religous beliefs.
Red_Army wrote: ↑Thu Oct 31, 2019 10:10 pm
I will be voting Labour because I care about public services and working people, not because I have a particular liking towards the leader and certainly not because of Israel/Palestine. There is a clear leadership issue, and I hope that this will be resolved soon and people be able to stop talking about Antisemitism.
It depends.
If Jezzas eventual successor also believes in rights for the people of Palestine, we’ll still be talking about anti-semitism.
DuvB wrote: ↑Thu Oct 31, 2019 8:56 am
Nowadays, you need to add:
I shall vote Labour because
I am an anti-semite
Is everyone who votes Labour an anti-Semite, duvb?
Heh. So far off the mark it’s funny.
Not everyone in labour is an anti-Semite but every anti-Semite votes labour.
Re: I Shall Vote Labour
Posted: Thu Oct 31, 2019 10:31 pm
by one o in huntingdon
I always voted Labour when I lived in E10 and E17.
Used to see Neil Gérrard every now and then having a pint in The Bell
Where I live now is a Tory stronghold, the less than honourable Jonathan Danglygoogly is the MP
Few rabid Brexiteers might nick a few votes, but hard to see anyone getting very close to the Tory
Will probably vote Lib Dem just in the faint hope they could cause an upset, purely a tactical decision
