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Posted: **Fri Oct 25, 2019 5:26 pm**

Disoriented wrote: ↑Fri Oct 25, 2019 4:37 pm Can’t remember anyone criticising why they were released TBH.

Ooops
https://www.tapatalk.com/groups/leytono ... 25214.html

Posted: **Fri Oct 25, 2019 6:03 pm**

Ha ha

Posted: **Fri Oct 25, 2019 6:23 pm**

There's 5 pages on this one. Charlton never signed Teddy Perkins & he went to Burnley & after quick oogle on Google is now on loan at the mighty Ramsbottom United
https://www.tapatalk.com/groups/leytono ... 24464.html

Posted: **Fri Oct 25, 2019 8:56 pm**

LittleMate wrote: ↑Fri Oct 25, 2019 5:09 pm
Sid Bishop wrote: ↑Fri Oct 25, 2019 11:36 am
Redcard wrote: ↑Fri Oct 25, 2019 11:19 am It was a diabolical piece of business. He would go for a fee in the millions now not the pittance we got. Worse still we do not learn from these mistakes and no doubt will continue to let our most promising youngsters leave at bargain prices.
It was regarded as too cheap a fee at the time but as far as I can recall a bit like the Bonne and Koroma transfers, refusal to let the player go would result in an unhappy player who goes for nothing at the end of his contract.
Exactly Sid. Whats already been overlooked in this thread is that the player would jump at the opportunity to go to Brighton. I'm sure that we did the best deal we could at the point in time.

Posted: **Fri Oct 25, 2019 9:05 pm**

Sid Bishop wrote: ↑Fri Oct 25, 2019 8:56 pm
LittleMate wrote: ↑Fri Oct 25, 2019 5:09 pm
Sid Bishop wrote: ↑Fri Oct 25, 2019 11:36 am

It was regarded as too cheap a fee at the time but as far as I can recall a bit like the Bonne and Koroma transfers, refusal to let the player go would result in an unhappy player who goes for nothing at the end of his contract.
Exactly Sid. Whats already been overlooked in this thread is that the player would jump at the opportunity to go to Brighton. I'm sure that we did the best deal we could at the point in time.
The promising young players we got transfer fees for like Alzate and Dalby, plus Bonne and Koroma, most likely got a good increase in wages when they moved to their new clubs, so can you really blame these young men for wanting to better themselves ?

Posted: **Fri Oct 25, 2019 10:07 pm**

Smendrick Feaselberg wrote: ↑Fri Oct 25, 2019 12:27 pm
RedO wrote: ↑Fri Oct 25, 2019 11:04 am
Smendrick Feaselberg wrote: ↑Thu Oct 24, 2019 10:56 pm

Yep, that too. £250k plus add ons would be good business for Sweeney given there's no obvious place for him to develop here. We don't want his career to stagnate like Judd's has under similar circumstances and be ultimately worth very little.
£250k
What do you feel he is worth? I'm saying I wouldn't be disappointed with the top ceiling of what ComeOnYouOs would be disappointed at because I don't think he will grow and develop enough here, especially with Widdowson and potentially Ogie (who could still shift to CB) ahead of him.

£250k would be incredible business. We won’t get anywhere near that.

Posted: **Fri Oct 25, 2019 10:11 pm**

O my gawd wrote: ↑Fri Oct 25, 2019 3:47 pm
RedO wrote: ↑Fri Oct 25, 2019 11:08 am
O my gawd wrote: ↑Wed Oct 23, 2019 11:19 pm I would think £100k for an 18 year old national league player is a good deal. I presume there are add ons also
He was 19, not 18. He has never played in the National League. You're trying to play this down with fake news.

£100k for a player of his obvious potential who is now starting games in the top division just 2 years later is abysmal business.
He was with a National League club at the time & a 1st year professional at 18, signed 5 weeks before his 19th birthday.
Google is a wonderful tool, you should try using it to save egg on your face. Looking at the bigger picture I'm sure the add ons will be more beneficial than the original fee.
Look at all the other hopefuls from that era where the club were criticised for releasing. Moncur, Grainger, Clark, Pollock & Ochieng all playing at National League or below.

Exactly, he was just about to turn 19.

And I repeat, he has never played National League.

And I repeat, £100k for a player with such obvious Premiership potential, as he’s now proven, is a joke.

Posted: **Fri Oct 25, 2019 10:49 pm**

Disoriented wrote: ↑Fri Oct 25, 2019 4:37 pm Can’t remember anyone criticising why they were released TBH.

This suggests otherwise:

https://www.tapatalk.com/groups/leytono ... 24560.html

Posted: **Fri Oct 25, 2019 11:07 pm**

RedO wrote: ↑Fri Oct 25, 2019 10:11 pm
O my gawd wrote: ↑Fri Oct 25, 2019 3:47 pm
RedO wrote: ↑Fri Oct 25, 2019 11:08 am

He was 19, not 18. He has never played in the National League. You're trying to play this down with fake news.

£100k for a player of his obvious potential who is now starting games in the top division just 2 years later is abysmal business.
He was with a National League club at the time & a 1st year professional at 18, signed 5 weeks before his 19th birthday.
Google is a wonderful tool, you should try using it to save egg on your face. Looking at the bigger picture I'm sure the add ons will be more beneficial than the original fee.
Look at all the other hopefuls from that era where the club were criticised for releasing. Moncur, Grainger, Clark, Pollock & Ochieng all playing at National League or below.
Exactly, he was just about to turn 19.

And I repeat, he has never played National League.

And I repeat, £100k for a player with such obvious Premiership potential, as he’s now proven, is a joke.

But it wasn't obvious at that time, much the same as it wasn't obvious Dalby & Abrahams were Championship players & guess what they don't have a Championship appearance between them. 2years on, one is playing u23s, the other in League 2.
He played a handful of league 2 appearances & that was down to the squad being stripped bare by the regime. So getting a 6 figure fee was a good deal for someone with little experience but very good potential. You keep on ignoring the add ons as well. What would be the better deal £250k up front & no add ons or £100k upfront & 20% of any future fee & appearance based add ons?
If he's obviously as good as you say. He should go for £5m upwards, so blows your theory out of the water.

Posted: **Fri Oct 25, 2019 11:10 pm**

I am not blaming any of the young lads for being ambitious and stepping up the ladder and getting a much higher wage, I am suggesting that we are absolutely useless at negotiating a decent transfer fee.

Posted: **Fri Oct 25, 2019 11:16 pm**

Redcard wrote: ↑Fri Oct 25, 2019 11:10 pm I am not blaming any of the young lads for being ambitious and stepping up the ladder and getting a much higher wage, I am suggesting that we are absolutely useless at negotiating a decent transfer fee.

£500k for Koroma. I wish I was that useless at negotiating my business deals

Posted: **Fri Oct 25, 2019 11:18 pm**

O my gawd wrote: ↑Fri Oct 25, 2019 5:26 pm
Disoriented wrote: ↑Fri Oct 25, 2019 4:37 pm Can’t remember anyone criticising why they were released TBH.
Ooops
https://www.tapatalk.com/groups/leytono ... 25214.html

Great quote on that thread.

"This makes me sick....good young prospects are being thrown out, because Ling gave the old duffers in our squad, 2 yr contracts last June, & the only way of reducing squad size is throw out the youngsters
Another season of struggle next year methinks"

Yeah right. It was totally the right thing to do but pig headed people who hold an unnecessary grudge sadly can't see the bigger picture.

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