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I think the self-satisfied smugness based on absolutely zilch just became too much to ignore....Sid Bishop wrote: ↑Wed Aug 28, 2019 11:37 pm I notice that ''Attention Brexiteers (Only)'' soon went out of the window.
Ok then, what will the EU look like in ten years time. ?BoniO wrote: ↑Thu Aug 29, 2019 10:12 amI think the self-satisfied smugness based on absolutely zilch just became too much to ignore....Sid Bishop wrote: ↑Wed Aug 28, 2019 11:37 pm I notice that ''Attention Brexiteers (Only)'' soon went out of the window.
Much better to just close your eyes, click your heels together and say "there's no place like home, there's no place like home...."Orient_Man_And_Boy wrote: ↑Wed Aug 28, 2019 8:06 pm Well, RR, ‘No Deal’ is simply a state of affairs where GB doesn’t sign a deal with the EU, because to do so would continue to lock OUR trading positions, rights and judiciary into a framework dictated (correct word) by un-elected bureaucrats in the EU.
Also, since I’ve been asked during this thread “leave at any cost” means what it says on the tin. Out, out, out and in case you’re not following my response ... OUT. If I’d been in charge =
Day 1 Ballot
Day 2 Results
Day 3 Article 50
Day 4 GONE !!
Also, it has been stated, rather boringly, ‘ah, no deal was not on the ballot paper.’ Putting it rather bluntly I don’t give a damn whether it was or not. Neither was ‘agree to prolonged membership under increasingly punitive, non-negotiable terms’ but some would seem to prefer that. Can’t think why.
I don't know you tell me?RedDwarf 1881 wrote: ↑Thu Aug 29, 2019 10:19 amOk then, what will the EU look like in ten years time. ?BoniO wrote: ↑Thu Aug 29, 2019 10:12 amI think the self-satisfied smugness based on absolutely zilch just became too much to ignore....Sid Bishop wrote: ↑Wed Aug 28, 2019 11:37 pm I notice that ''Attention Brexiteers (Only)'' soon went out of the window.
I didn't call you a racist so I won't be apologising. I said 'most leavers' and I stand by that. Nor, btw, did I call anyone racist, I said they don't like immigrants.Orient_Man_And_Boy wrote: ↑Thu Aug 29, 2019 9:51 am EH16, I object most strongly to being considered a racist and will welcome your apology.
I voted Leave as an act of national self-determination. That does not in any way, shape or form automatically imply being anti anything except the unwelcome intervention of unelected bureaucrats in Europe.
I didn't call anyone racist.RedDwarf 1881 wrote: ↑Thu Aug 29, 2019 10:03 amSo you’re saying that just over half the country is racist. If that’s true then the country is already lost. Incidentally, I voted leave ,I didn’t vote for any deal.EH16 wrote: ↑Thu Aug 29, 2019 9:04 am OK, I know I'm a remainer (voted yes in 75, voted remain in 16, would still vote remain now) but I have to butt in here and ask for some honesty because the truth is that most leavers didn't give any thought at all to any deal/no deal scenario. They voted leave because they don't like immigrants.
50% of the UKs trade is with EU countries. We will still need to abide by EU regulations on trade as these are important in protecting consumers and businesses from unscrupulous traders who try and sell any old rubbish. In any event it is individuals and businesses who trade not countries.bobo66 wrote: ↑Thu Aug 29, 2019 9:01 am I can't see the point of a trade deal with the EU. If we signed a deal we would have to abide by all the various EU regulations, but not have say on what they were.
We should have gone for no deal straight away and spent more time agreeing trade with other countries and not wasted all the time with trying to get a deal with the EU. If we had we wouldn't be in the mess we are now.
Nope. It was a comment on all of us. We're all insignificant to an extent. We'll all also experience good and bad fortunes over the coming years and decades. And it will be difficult to ever conclude if these experiences are directly attributable to leaving/remaining and deal/no deal in any way.Prestige Worldwide wrote: ↑Thu Aug 29, 2019 8:04 am Insignificant lives? Was that meant to sound so hateful towards the working class?
Don't listen to him Lester he fukin hates us working class types.Dunners wrote: ↑Thu Aug 29, 2019 11:53 amNope. It was a comment on all of us. We're all insignificant to an extent. We'll all also experience good and bad fortunes over the coming years and decades. And it will be difficult to ever conclude if these experiences are directly attributable to leaving/remaining and deal/no deal in any way.Prestige Worldwide wrote: ↑Thu Aug 29, 2019 8:04 am Insignificant lives? Was that meant to sound so hateful towards the working class?
SighStill's Carenae wrote: ↑Wed Aug 28, 2019 6:43 pm Wto gatt 24. We are almost certain to get this, if we cannot agree a new European treaty.
As somebody said yesterday - not everybody who voted leave was a racist but all the racists voted leave.RedDwarf 1881 wrote: ↑Thu Aug 29, 2019 10:03 amSo you’re saying that just over half the country is racist. If that’s true then the country is already lost. Incidentally, I voted leave ,I didn’t vote for any deal.EH16 wrote: ↑Thu Aug 29, 2019 9:04 am OK, I know I'm a remainer (voted yes in 75, voted remain in 16, would still vote remain now) but I have to butt in here and ask for some honesty because the truth is that most leavers didn't give any thought at all to any deal/no deal scenario. They voted leave because they don't like immigrants.
VileBiggsyMalone wrote: ↑Thu Aug 29, 2019 10:01 amNot anti-immigrant, just don’t want them over hereOrient_Man_And_Boy wrote: ↑Thu Aug 29, 2019 9:51 am EH16, I object most strongly to being considered a racist and will welcome your apology.
I voted Leave as an act of national self-determination. That does not in any way, shape or form automatically imply being anti anything except the unwelcome intervention of unelected bureaucrats in Europe.
Good man, same here.Highwood Man wrote: ↑Thu Aug 29, 2019 4:33 pm Voted to leave in 2016. Just wanted out and never even considered the possibilities of a deal. Still want out now. More so than ever.
Quoting Dan Hannan and the Express - that's me convinced then! What a load of absolute tripe and typical to try and reduce this all to playground argument level. I'm a remainer and I think we're jumping into an abyss and it will be bloody terrible. However, if we left with no deal and everything turned out rosy I'd be delighted - amazed to say the least, but delighted. It seems that the likes of Hannan (and you it seems) judge others by their own low standards. This isn't a petty tiff where the most important outcome is to be proved correct, it's about the future of our children and their children. I wouldn't sacrifice that just to be proved right.Sid Bishop wrote: ↑Thu Aug 29, 2019 4:46 pmGood man, same here.Highwood Man wrote: ↑Thu Aug 29, 2019 4:33 pm Voted to leave in 2016. Just wanted out and never even considered the possibilities of a deal. Still want out now. More so than ever.
Dan Hannon has hit the nail; on the head here, the Remainers would HATE for Brexit to be a success, they would much prefer the economy of the country to be hard hit than to accept they were wrong and it be a success !!
https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics ... nson-uk-eu
''Earlier, Dan Hannan unleashed fury against Remainer Labour and Lib Dem MPs, saying they fear a “successful” Brexit rather than a “harsh” Brexit.
The prominent Brexiteer said the chief Remainers plot to block Brexit will give “no incentive for the EU to negotiate” a new deal.
Mr Hannan tweeted: “The moment Brussels starts to look at modifying the deal, Labour and the Lib Dems revive their plan to block Brexit, so taking away any incentive for the EU to negotiate. It’s not the prospect of a harsh Brexit that scares them; it’s the prospect of a successful Brexit.
His remarks come after arch Remainers met on Tuesday to agree on a strategy to stop Boris Johnson from taking the UK out of the EU without a deal.
Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn called the meeting as Remainers rush to stop a no deal exit before the looming October 31 deadline''
Like it...EH16 wrote: ↑Thu Aug 29, 2019 11:05 amI didn't call you a racist so I won't be apologising. I said 'most leavers' and I stand by that. Nor, btw, did I call anyone racist, I said they don't like immigrants.Orient_Man_And_Boy wrote: ↑Thu Aug 29, 2019 9:51 am EH16, I object most strongly to being considered a racist and will welcome your apology.
I voted Leave as an act of national self-determination. That does not in any way, shape or form automatically imply being anti anything except the unwelcome intervention of unelected bureaucrats in Europe.
