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Celtient wrote: ↑Sat Feb 22, 2025 2:53 pm

Long slender neck wrote: ↑Sat Feb 22, 2025 1:20 pm Just not true Stan.

I second that. Brown sauce is one of humankind's most revolting inventions. Makes me gag just thinking about it

Dunners wrote: ↑Mon Feb 24, 2025 9:25 am That well will run dry eventually. It also ignores the negative impact on those countries that are losing their human capital.

The economic benefit of immigration was not just that they did the jobs nobody else wanted, but that they would have enough kids to push the fertility rate above 2.1 (and their kids would be educated in the UK so eventually become employees in a higher-value roles).

The former is happening, but the latter isn't. Which means immigration will increasingly compound the effects of an ageing society. We'll need increasing levels of immigration to try and mitigate the impact of... immigration.

Immigration is just about all that is driving the marginal GDP growth. But with declining productivity rates and GDP per capita, this has the potential to end badly.

RedDwarf 1881 wrote: ↑Mon Feb 24, 2025 8:46 am

LittleMate wrote: ↑Sat Feb 22, 2025 12:14 pm

George M wrote: ↑Sat Feb 22, 2025 10:53 am If I were running a country where the education system is stretched , failing ,and underfunded , where the NHS is overrun, where the transport infrastructure sinks under the volume wishing to use it , my first thought would not be to increase the population further . And yet that is exactly what Labour propose and we all sit here accepting that as a policy that will put us back on the track to greatness. It is a policy that makes no sense to anyone other than those making the decision.

All parties are on board with population expansion, mainly to cover the fact that we have an ageing population and need the younger ones to pay for it. That in itself suggests that as a country/population we have under-funded (or been ineffective) under our own model of governance (we are definitely underfunded to some degree). Having less earning adults can only affect our output and so gdp. Population growth = economic growth?

You’re forgetting about the elephant in the room. Immigrants also grow old so who will look after them . It’s a classic case of kicking the can down the road.

RedDwarf 1881 wrote: ↑Mon Feb 24, 2025 8:46 am

LittleMate wrote: ↑Sat Feb 22, 2025 12:14 pm

George M wrote: ↑Sat Feb 22, 2025 10:53 am If I were running a country where the education system is stretched , failing ,and underfunded , where the NHS is overrun, where the transport infrastructure sinks under the volume wishing to use it , my first thought would not be to increase the population further . And yet that is exactly what Labour propose and we all sit here accepting that as a policy that will put us back on the track to greatness. It is a policy that makes no sense to anyone other than those making the decision.

All parties are on board with population expansion, mainly to cover the fact that we have an ageing population and need the younger ones to pay for it. That in itself suggests that as a country/population we have under-funded (or been ineffective) under our own model of governance (we are definitely underfunded to some degree). Having less earning adults can only affect our output and so gdp. Population growth = economic growth?

You’re forgetting about the elephant in the room. Immigrants also grow old so who will look after them . It’s a classic case of kicking the can down the road.