Independent Leyton Orient Forum

Real Al wrote: ↑Thu Sep 12, 2024 8:11 pm Just think, if all the self-employed people paid the correct amount of taxes, we wouldn't have these problems.

Many do (I know I do) - but also we should consider how many people are in contrived "self employment" - I mean people like delivery drivers who are supposedly self-employed business but yet work for one delivery company, in uniform, in a branded van (that they have to supply). Of course they're not really, properly, self employed, but the companies insist on them being so, thus saving employers NI etc. (and, if they pay themselves in dividends, the workers also save NI)

There are 4.2m small businesses in the UK with 0 or 1 employee - that's something like 3/4 of all SMEs. Some will be bona-fide Self Employed tradesmen etc, but I'm sure there's a large number of these that are - to all intents and purposes - actually employees.

I've said before, a really simple change would be to abolish NI and raise Income Tax. At the moment, only employed working people pay NI, which seems pretty unfair to me. Although I would lose, personally, if such a change happened - I think it's the right thing to do.

Self employed also pay NI.

It’s not about tax on earnings/income anyway. It’s about tax on wealth. That’s what needs to happen.

But of course it won’t because there is no other way etc

Agreed - although my point is that income derived from work is taxed higher than income derived from wealth (e.g. investment, pension, interest etc).

Aah ok, understood now.

BoniO wrote: ↑Fri Sep 13, 2024 11:38 am

Chief crazy horse wrote: ↑Fri Sep 13, 2024 9:58 am Would it make the slightest difference to you and your views if I did.

Yes. Possibly. Depends on what you say really doesn't it.

I wouldn't give you the pleasure. But you should be able to find out with a bit of research. You can then go back responding with your favourite subject on here..

OK - I was hoping you might have something to offer. I really can’t think of any “sacrifices” I, or any family or friends, made during the sixties. Oh well…