Independent Leyton Orient Forum

CreamofSumYungGai wrote: ↑Tue Aug 20, 2019 12:37 pm

Smendrick Feaselberg wrote: ↑Sat Aug 17, 2019 2:21 pm

gshaw wrote: ↑Sat Aug 17, 2019 12:25 pm

On one hand Dennis seems to be seen as the answer for two positions. On the other hand due to Jobi and Dayton being injured and out of action for some time yet we're short of wide players so if we do go back to 4-4-2 at some point in the near future he can't play in two places at once.

Dennis definitely puts us in a better position than where we were a few weeks ago but still short imo. Ideally we'd bring in a striker and CM but with the budget seemingly being squeezed the midfield is more of a priority for reinforcements.

Angol has the tricky feet to create something but whether his shooting boots are laced with the same stardust that appeared in Koroma's at times last season will be the challenge. Sure he blasted loads wide and over but some of the goals from distance were things of beauty.

The budget hasn't been squeezed at all - that's just your bias showing.The budget was actually increased from the one originally agreed in April and is available to spend if we wish. We're clearly just choosing not to at present.

Is that true?

Can we do and In and Out list to see of that stacks up?

Out:
Bonne
Koroma
Simpson
Lee
Lawless
Grainger

In:
Angol
Wilkinson
Wright
Dennis

We will also be paying the management team less after losing Justin.

Overall the current wage bill must be significantly down on last season.

Buddy Manucci wrote: ↑Tue Aug 20, 2019 10:21 pm

CreamofSumYungGai wrote: ↑Tue Aug 20, 2019 12:37 pm

Smendrick Feaselberg wrote: ↑Sat Aug 17, 2019 2:21 pm

The budget hasn't been squeezed at all - that's just your bias showing.The budget was actually increased from the one originally agreed in April and is available to spend if we wish. We're clearly just choosing not to at present.

Is that true?

Can we do and In and Out list to see of that stacks up?

Out:
Bonne
Koroma
Simpson
Lee
Lawless
Grainger

In:
Angol
Wilkinson
Wright
Dennis

We will also be paying the management team less after losing Justin.

Overall the current wage bill must be significantly down on last season.

Some players signed new contracts that would be on a higher wage now and it's more then likely that some players had promotion based increases in their contracts.

I'd guess the wage bill is higher then last season at this point on time.

CreamofSumYungGai wrote: ↑Wed Aug 21, 2019 7:09 am Strange one if we’re still paying Justin’s salary? Unless it’s covered under our keyman insurance policy.

CreamofSumYungGai wrote: ↑Wed Aug 21, 2019 7:09 am Strange one if we’re still paying Justin’s salary? Unless it’s covered under our keyman insurance policy.

eagwgw wrote: ↑Wed Aug 21, 2019 9:44 am Money is not really significant compared to what we have lost, but I would have thought that Justin might have had his own insurance in place to care for the family in case of this event.

What I can't really get is how us and Spurs did not get together to play a friendly game in his benefit either at our ground or theirs. Sure I can understand how their first-team might have other commitments, but could we have not arranged some kind of XI of his former team-mates and producing a programme? It would have been a sell-out crowd at ours, perhaps even at theirs and people would not think about paying £10 to see that game.

Sure, he had a send off at Chelmsford, but this would have been a quite poignant footballing send-off, particularly if it happened as Spurs new stadium.

It still could happen of course, but the longer it goes on the easier it is to not do it.

Blackadder II wrote: ↑Wed Aug 21, 2019 6:05 pm If Bonne does go to Ipswich it would be ideal for him, because I think he comes from there.

Smendrick Feaselberg wrote: ↑Tue Aug 20, 2019 12:42 pm

CreamofSumYungGai wrote: ↑Tue Aug 20, 2019 12:37 pm

Smendrick Feaselberg wrote: ↑Sat Aug 17, 2019 2:21 pm

The budget hasn't been squeezed at all - that's just your bias showing.The budget was actually increased from the one originally agreed in April and is available to spend if we wish. We're clearly just choosing not to at present.

Is that true?

Can we do and In and Out list to see of that stacks up?

Out:
Bonne
Koroma
Simpson
Lee
Lawless
Grainger

In:
Angol
Wilkinson
Wright
Dennis

We will also be paying the management team less after losing Justin.

Overall the current wage bill must be significantly down on last season.

It's not a fair comparison though. You're comparing the final team/use of budget at the end of last season to the present squad a few weeks into the season with players still to come in at various points. I trust what Teague says as far as the budget goes because it makes sense that we don't just blow it all before the season starts.

Red_Army wrote: ↑Wed Aug 21, 2019 6:11 pm

Smendrick Feaselberg wrote: ↑Tue Aug 20, 2019 12:42 pm

CreamofSumYungGai wrote: ↑Tue Aug 20, 2019 12:37 pm

Is that true?

Can we do and In and Out list to see of that stacks up?

Out:
Bonne
Koroma
Simpson
Lee
Lawless
Grainger

In:
Angol
Wilkinson
Wright
Dennis

We will also be paying the management team less after losing Justin.

Overall the current wage bill must be significantly down on last season.

It's not a fair comparison though. You're comparing the final team/use of budget at the end of last season to the present squad a few weeks into the season with players still to come in at various points. I trust what Teague says as far as the budget goes because it makes sense that we don't just blow it all before the season starts.

That list makes perfect sense if you understand that Grainger was replaced by Janata and that Simpson was signed as an extra striker covering while Koroma was injured. Lawless is essentially replaced by McAnuff, who is being covered by Marsh currently. McAnuff's winger spot is being covered by JMD/Dennis.

Disoriented wrote: ↑Wed Aug 21, 2019 6:28 pm

Red_Army wrote: ↑Wed Aug 21, 2019 6:11 pm

Smendrick Feaselberg wrote: ↑Tue Aug 20, 2019 12:42 pm

It's not a fair comparison though. You're comparing the final team/use of budget at the end of last season to the present squad a few weeks into the season with players still to come in at various points. I trust what Teague says as far as the budget goes because it makes sense that we don't just blow it all before the season starts.

That list makes perfect sense if you understand that Grainger was replaced by Janata and that Simpson was signed as an extra striker covering while Koroma was injured. Lawless is essentially replaced by McAnuff, who is being covered by Marsh currently. McAnuff's winger spot is being covered by JMD/Dennis.

Er, come again?

Mr Wu wrote: ↑Wed Aug 21, 2019 3:26 pm Back to Bonne,heard today from a Charlton supporter of my acquaintance that they are going to send him out on loan.The deal was done before Charlton won the play-off final and they don't think he is good enough yet for the Championship,but do think he'll do well in League one.

Mr Wu wrote: ↑Wed Aug 21, 2019 3:26 pm Back to Bonne,heard today from a Charlton supporter of my acquaintance that they are going to send him out on loan.The deal was done before Charlton won the play-off final and they don't think he is good enough yet for the Championship,but do think he'll do well in League one.

CreamofSumYungGai wrote: ↑Wed Aug 21, 2019 7:02 pm

Mr Wu wrote: ↑Wed Aug 21, 2019 3:26 pm Back to Bonne,heard today from a Charlton supporter of my acquaintance that they are going to send him out on loan.The deal was done before Charlton won the play-off final and they don't think he is good enough yet for the Championship,but do think he'll do well in League one.

Correct assessment of where he’s at.

Would have been easier to leave him here for a season, mind you.

Red_Army wrote: ↑Sat Aug 17, 2019 10:16 am We wouldn't have signed Angol amd Wilkinson had we not sold Bonne and Koroma so it's irrelevant. I really like the look of Angol, as it happens.

Red_Army wrote: ↑Wed Aug 21, 2019 6:11 pm

Smendrick Feaselberg wrote: ↑Tue Aug 20, 2019 12:42 pm

CreamofSumYungGai wrote: ↑Tue Aug 20, 2019 12:37 pm

Is that true?

Can we do and In and Out list to see of that stacks up?

Out:
Bonne
Koroma
Simpson
Lee
Lawless
Grainger

In:
Angol
Wilkinson
Wright
Dennis

We will also be paying the management team less after losing Justin.

Overall the current wage bill must be significantly down on last season.

It's not a fair comparison though. You're comparing the final team/use of budget at the end of last season to the present squad a few weeks into the season with players still to come in at various points. I trust what Teague says as far as the budget goes because it makes sense that we don't just blow it all before the season starts.

That list makes perfect sense if you understand that Grainger was replaced by Janata and that Simpson was signed as an extra striker covering while Koroma was injured. Lawless is essentially replaced by McAnuff, who is being covered by Marsh currently. McAnuff's winger spot is being covered by JMD/Dennis.

Red_Army wrote: ↑Wed Aug 21, 2019 7:13 pm

CreamofSumYungGai wrote: ↑Wed Aug 21, 2019 7:02 pm

Mr Wu wrote: ↑Wed Aug 21, 2019 3:26 pm Back to Bonne,heard today from a Charlton supporter of my acquaintance that they are going to send him out on loan.The deal was done before Charlton won the play-off final and they don't think he is good enough yet for the Championship,but do think he'll do well in League one.

Correct assessment of where he’s at.

Would have been easier to leave him here for a season, mind you.

The guy got an unbelievable opportunity to go to a championship club and he took it because it is obviously the best decision. He could have stayed here and broke his leg, or score less than 10 goals and then he'd be playing league two for the foreseeable. Now he might not make it in the Championship, but the bar is set higher for him and his next club will likely be above league two level, and he will have made a good amount of money in the process- and that is worst case.

It is so arrogant to think that Orient have a divine right to keep any of these players.

CreamofSumYungGai wrote: ↑Wed Aug 21, 2019 9:56 pm

Red_Army wrote: ↑Wed Aug 21, 2019 7:13 pm

CreamofSumYungGai wrote: ↑Wed Aug 21, 2019 7:02 pm

Correct assessment of where he’s at.

Would have been easier to leave him here for a season, mind you.

The guy got an unbelievable opportunity to go to a championship club and he took it because it is obviously the best decision. He could have stayed here and broke his leg, or score less than 10 goals and then he'd be playing league two for the foreseeable. Now he might not make it in the Championship, but the bar is set higher for him and his next club will likely be above league two level, and he will have made a good amount of money in the process- and that is worst case.

It is so arrogant to think that Orient have a divine right to keep any of these players.

In your eagerness to disagree with me, you’ve misunderstood.

My point was that Charlton could have signed him but left him here for 6 months to see how he goes at L2 level first.

Sid Bishop wrote: ↑Wed Aug 21, 2019 9:58 am

eagwgw wrote: ↑Wed Aug 21, 2019 9:44 am Money is not really significant compared to what we have lost, but I would have thought that Justin might have had his own insurance in place to care for the family in case of this event.

What I can't really get is how us and Spurs did not get together to play a friendly game in his benefit either at our ground or theirs. Sure I can understand how their first-team might have other commitments, but could we have not arranged some kind of XI of his former team-mates and producing a programme? It would have been a sell-out crowd at ours, perhaps even at theirs and people would not think about paying £10 to see that game.

Sure, he had a send off at Chelmsford, but this would have been a quite poignant footballing send-off, particularly if it happened as Spurs new stadium.

It still could happen of course, but the longer it goes on the easier it is to not do it.

@eagwgw
Yes a good idea to stage a Justin benefit game between Leyton Orient and Spurs as you outline above.
Perhaps it may happen in the future.

whittle81 wrote: ↑Thu Aug 22, 2019 7:30 am

Sid Bishop wrote: ↑Wed Aug 21, 2019 9:58 am

eagwgw wrote: ↑Wed Aug 21, 2019 9:44 am Money is not really significant compared to what we have lost, but I would have thought that Justin might have had his own insurance in place to care for the family in case of this event.

What I can't really get is how us and Spurs did not get together to play a friendly game in his benefit either at our ground or theirs. Sure I can understand how their first-team might have other commitments, but could we have not arranged some kind of XI of his former team-mates and producing a programme? It would have been a sell-out crowd at ours, perhaps even at theirs and people would not think about paying £10 to see that game.

Sure, he had a send off at Chelmsford, but this would have been a quite poignant footballing send-off, particularly if it happened as Spurs new stadium.

It still could happen of course, but the longer it goes on the easier it is to not do it.

@eagwgw
Yes a good idea to stage a Justin benefit game between Leyton Orient and Spurs as you outline above.
Perhaps it may happen in the future.

I assume there was not enough time to arrange a game during the pre season as Spurs had already had there pre season games arranged.
I hope both clubs could do something before the start of next season though.