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Beradogs wrote: ↑Mon Jul 15, 2024 9:14 am I very rarely if ever watch top flight football and this was the first game in the euros I have watched. I thought it was dreadful. Since when did football become the kicking equivalent of basketball. One team has the ball for 3 minutes. Then the other team. Passing it around going absolutely nowhere. Any tackle is a foul. Not a shot on goal in the first half? I know I am supposed to be impressed and hoover will be on telling me I am stuck in the 1970’s but I can’t wait for orients first game and the first time someone lumps it forward and 3 players all fall over trying to control it.

Beradogs wrote: ↑Mon Jul 15, 2024 9:14 am I very rarely if ever watch top flight football and this was the first game in the euros I have watched. I thought it was dreadful. Since when did football become the kicking equivalent of basketball. One team has the ball for 3 minutes. Then the other team. Passing it around going absolutely nowhere. Any tackle is a foul. Not a shot on goal in the first half? I know I am supposed to be impressed and hoover will be on telling me I am stuck in the 1970’s but I can’t wait for orients first game and the first time someone lumps it forward and 3 players all fall over trying to control it.

RedDwarf 1881 wrote: ↑Mon Jul 15, 2024 9:24 am

Sid Bishop wrote: ↑Mon Jul 15, 2024 8:51 am

Max B Gold wrote: ↑Mon Jul 15, 2024 12:23 am

One swallow does not make a summer !

Was Spain playing their under 18 team .

PKM wrote: ↑Mon Jul 15, 2024 12:05 am I think Peter Kitchens fb post sums it up very well:

It’s not coming home because we weren’t brave enough. We have the players to have won this but a Manager whose mindset is cautious, safe & negative & shows in his team selection. His system does not get the best out of his players & Kane needed more offensive support . We’re sitting back far too deep with Rice playing in amongst the back players most of the time. We surrendered the initiative & allowed Spain to boss the game & then only play when we’re chasing the game. Palmer should have started & would have caused Spain problems from the start, caused them problems & helped support Kane. His substitutions are also too late with Toney coming on with 2 mins left.

Hoover Attack wrote: ↑Mon Jul 15, 2024 6:17 am

PKM wrote: ↑Mon Jul 15, 2024 12:05 am I think Peter Kitchens fb post sums it up very well:

It’s not coming home because we weren’t brave enough. We have the players to have won this but a Manager whose mindset is cautious, safe & negative & shows in his team selection. His system does not get the best out of his players & Kane needed more offensive support . We’re sitting back far too deep with Rice playing in amongst the back players most of the time. We surrendered the initiative & allowed Spain to boss the game & then only play when we’re chasing the game. Palmer should have started & would have caused Spain problems from the start, caused them problems & helped support Kane. His substitutions are also too late with Toney coming on with 2 mins left.

Controversial take Peter is clearly stuck in the 1970s.

On the hand ful of occasions we went for it in both the semi and final, we were cut apart. Spain are a class above us. Southgate’s boring tactics kept us in the game.

DrWindy wrote: ↑Mon Jul 15, 2024 9:34 am

Beradogs wrote: ↑Mon Jul 15, 2024 9:14 am I very rarely if ever watch top flight football and this was the first game in the euros I have watched. I thought it was dreadful. Since when did football become the kicking equivalent of basketball. One team has the ball for 3 minutes. Then the other team. Passing it around going absolutely nowhere. Any tackle is a foul. Not a shot on goal in the first half? I know I am supposed to be impressed and hoover will be on telling me I am stuck in the 1970’s but I can’t wait for orients first game and the first time someone lumps it forward and 3 players all fall over trying to control it.

Exactly this. My first game too. Given up watching this crap. Everyone falling over and cheating. Declan Rice defending a corner and not even looking at the ball and just blocking the attacker. I’m told not even close to a penalty apparently. What happened to our beautiful game. Give me League One football please.

PoundhillO wrote: ↑Mon Jul 15, 2024 9:57 am

Hoover Attack wrote: ↑Mon Jul 15, 2024 6:17 am

PKM wrote: ↑Mon Jul 15, 2024 12:05 am I think Peter Kitchens fb post sums it up very well:

It’s not coming home because we weren’t brave enough. We have the players to have won this but a Manager whose mindset is cautious, safe & negative & shows in his team selection. His system does not get the best out of his players & Kane needed more offensive support . We’re sitting back far too deep with Rice playing in amongst the back players most of the time. We surrendered the initiative & allowed Spain to boss the game & then only play when we’re chasing the game. Palmer should have started & would have caused Spain problems from the start, caused them problems & helped support Kane. His substitutions are also too late with Toney coming on with 2 mins left.

Controversial take Peter is clearly stuck in the 1970s.

On the hand ful of occasions we went for it in both the semi and final, we were cut apart. Spain are a class above us. Southgate’s boring tactics kept us in the game.

Unfortunately Southgates boring tactics whilst keeping us in the game will always leave him a loser in Major competitions and with the majority of fans that want a winner that doesn’t bore you to infinity.

Hoover Attack wrote: ↑Mon Jul 15, 2024 10:16 am

DrWindy wrote: ↑Mon Jul 15, 2024 9:34 am

Beradogs wrote: ↑Mon Jul 15, 2024 9:14 am I very rarely if ever watch top flight football and this was the first game in the euros I have watched. I thought it was dreadful. Since when did football become the kicking equivalent of basketball. One team has the ball for 3 minutes. Then the other team. Passing it around going absolutely nowhere. Any tackle is a foul. Not a shot on goal in the first half? I know I am supposed to be impressed and hoover will be on telling me I am stuck in the 1970’s but I can’t wait for orients first game and the first time someone lumps it forward and 3 players all fall over trying to control it.

Exactly this. My first game too. Given up watching this crap. Everyone falling over and cheating. Declan Rice defending a corner and not even looking at the ball and just blocking the attacker. I’m told not even close to a penalty apparently. What happened to our beautiful game. Give me League One football please.

Have you not noticed Beckles marking at corners?

Hoover Attack wrote: ↑Mon Jul 15, 2024 10:25 am I suggest you have a closer look next season.

(Don't disagree tho, I've no idea how that's allowed yet any other minimal contact in any other circumstance warrants a free kick)

Beradogs wrote: ↑Mon Jul 15, 2024 9:14 am Passing it around going absolutely nowhere. Any tackle is a foul. Not a shot on goal in the first half? I know I am supposed to be impressed and hoover will be on telling me I am stuck in the 1970’s but I can’t wait for orients first game and the first time someone lumps it forward and 3 players all fall over trying to control it.

Hoover Attack wrote: ↑Mon Jul 15, 2024 10:18 am
If this team had tried to play open, expansive football, we'd have gone out in the group stages.

(Also, you can't play open, expansive football at Inernational level with Declan Rice as your link player).

Hoover Attack wrote: ↑Mon Jul 15, 2024 10:18 am

PoundhillO wrote: ↑Mon Jul 15, 2024 9:57 am

Hoover Attack wrote: ↑Mon Jul 15, 2024 6:17 am

Controversial take Peter is clearly stuck in the 1970s.

On the hand ful of occasions we went for it in both the semi and final, we were cut apart. Spain are a class above us. Southgate’s boring tactics kept us in the game.

Unfortunately Southgates boring tactics whilst keeping us in the game will always leave him a loser in Major competitions and with the majority of fans that want a winner that doesn’t bore you to infinity.

If this team had tried to play open, expansive football, we'd have gone out in the group stages.

Hoover Attack wrote: ↑Mon Jul 15, 2024 10:52 am We should get El Tel back, what's he doing these days?

Adz wrote: ↑Mon Jul 15, 2024 7:03 am

Dunners wrote: ↑Mon Jul 15, 2024 6:34 am

Hoover Attack wrote: ↑Mon Jul 15, 2024 6:17 am

Controversial take Peter is clearly stuck in the 1970s.

On the hand ful of occasions we went for it in both the semi and final, we were cut apart. Spain are a class above us. Southgate’s boring tactics kept us in the game.

There's been lots of criticism from pundits and ex-players who have never played in or managed an England team to an international tournament final. Southgate's tactics kept us in the game, meant we weren't embarrassed, and kept us with a chance.

There's no way to know that. I don't think it's a case of being too negative or too positive, but more a case of setting up the team to have the best chance of winning. Kane didn't work at all in way we played, so was like playing with 10 men. Up until the last 2 games we were playing with 9 men as Bell and Foden covered almost identical locations on the pitch. Southgate's tactics may or not have been sound, but he chose to put square pegs in round holes for most of the tournament (TAA in mid, Tripp at left back, Kane up front, Bell and Foden). If those are the players he wanted to play (which clearly they were) he should have set the team up to give them a chance to play well. That was his major failing in this tournament. I would argue that our squad is as good as Spains, and they did as well as they could with the parameters that southgate set for them.

Give it to Jabo wrote: ↑Mon Jul 15, 2024 11:42 am Southgate had Gallagher and Trippier warming up to take us into extra time. We needed Eze.