Independent Leyton Orient Forum

one o in huntingdon wrote: ↑Mon Jun 17, 2024 11:54 am

OyinbO wrote: ↑Mon Jun 17, 2024 11:42 am

Rich Tea Wellin wrote: ↑Mon Jun 17, 2024 10:59 am For all the Southgate aaaat whinge-mob. Serbia didn’t really pose much threat. A few long range shots but I was impressed with rice and Gheihi in particular who nullified them.

We are usually awful in first game and 3 points means we’ve basically qualified.

Phil Foden can do one though

England have only ever won their opening match at a Euros twice: the most recent two, both managed by Southgate.

Lost a final, semi final and qtr final, all under Southgate.

Yup, and that's a better record than all but one previous England Manager.

OyinbO wrote: ↑Mon Jun 17, 2024 12:14 pm

one o in huntingdon wrote: ↑Mon Jun 17, 2024 11:54 am

OyinbO wrote: ↑Mon Jun 17, 2024 11:42 am

England have only ever won their opening match at a Euros twice: the most recent two, both managed by Southgate.

Lost a final, semi final and qtr final, all under Southgate.

Yup, and that's a better record than all but one previous England Manager.

A loss is exactly that, 2nd, 3rd, 4th or last place, a loser as player and manager.

Would you be happy with that record from an O's manager, I don't think so.

Qin wrote: ↑Mon Jun 17, 2024 12:10 pm Foden is turning into John Barnes from 35 years ago.

Played brilliantly for club, but couldn't ever play well for England

Foden turning out the same. Might help if he was played in his best position though

Agree but keep playing him wide left winger type role is playing him out of position.
Similar case to when Former England manager Sven-Goran Eriksson was once asked why Paul Scholes was the one he made play on the left wing.

How do England get the best out of Foden ?
BBC Sport pundits discuss how England can get the best out of Phil Foden after a quiet night for the Man City forward in the Three Lions' opening win against Serbia. https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/vi ... ggydgjr47o

one o in huntingdon wrote: ↑Mon Jun 17, 2024 12:19 pm

OyinbO wrote: ↑Mon Jun 17, 2024 12:14 pm

one o in huntingdon wrote: ↑Mon Jun 17, 2024 11:54 am

Lost a final, semi final and qtr final, all under Southgate.

Yup, and that's a better record than all but one previous England Manager.

A loss is exactly that, 2nd, 3rd, 4th or last place, a loser as player and manager.

Would you be happy with that record from an O's manager, I don't think so.

If an Orient manager took us to a European Championship semi final I reckon we should all be reasonably impressed.

Gerard and Lampard never worked well playing together, sometimes you just lose out if two good players are vying for the same spot.
Classic example of that being Clemence and Shilton.

Proposition Joe wrote: ↑Mon Jun 17, 2024 12:31 pm

one o in huntingdon wrote: ↑Mon Jun 17, 2024 12:19 pm

OyinbO wrote: ↑Mon Jun 17, 2024 12:14 pm

Yup, and that's a better record than all but one previous England Manager.

A loss is exactly that, 2nd, 3rd, 4th or last place, a loser as player and manager.

Would you be happy with that record from an O's manager, I don't think so.

If an Orient manager took us to a European Championship semi final I reckon we should all be reasonably impressed.

Let me substitute that inane reply with Div 1 Play Off.

one o in huntingdon wrote: ↑Mon Jun 17, 2024 12:31 pm Gerard and Lampard never worked well playing together, sometimes you just lose out if two good players are vying for the same spot.
Classic example of that being Clemence and Shilton.

Gerard and Lampard playing together may not have worked well, but I think Clemence and Shilton playing together would have been practically unbeatable

Celtient wrote: ↑Mon Jun 17, 2024 12:38 pm

one o in huntingdon wrote: ↑Mon Jun 17, 2024 12:31 pm Gerard and Lampard never worked well playing together, sometimes you just lose out if two good players are vying for the same spot.
Classic example of that being Clemence and Shilton.

Gerard and Lampard playing together may not have worked well, but I think Clemence and Shilton playing together would have been practically unbeatable

Very true unless Southgate was the manager.

one o in huntingdon wrote: ↑Mon Jun 17, 2024 12:33 pm

Proposition Joe wrote: ↑Mon Jun 17, 2024 12:31 pm

one o in huntingdon wrote: ↑Mon Jun 17, 2024 12:19 pm

A loss is exactly that, 2nd, 3rd, 4th or last place, a loser as player and manager.

Would you be happy with that record from an O's manager, I don't think so.

If an Orient manager took us to a European Championship semi final I reckon we should all be reasonably impressed.

Let me substitute that inane reply with Div 1 Play Off.

Reaching the Championship play offs would be...good though?

Proposition Joe wrote: ↑Mon Jun 17, 2024 1:05 pm

one o in huntingdon wrote: ↑Mon Jun 17, 2024 12:33 pm

Proposition Joe wrote: ↑Mon Jun 17, 2024 12:31 pm

If an Orient manager took us to a European Championship semi final I reckon we should all be reasonably impressed.

Let me substitute that inane reply with Div 1 Play Off.

Reaching the Championship play offs would be...good though?

It would, but not if on every occasion we went in front then lost.
Don't recall losing to Blackpool or Rotherham like that very fondly.

It's all well and good banging on about winning, but you have to be consistently getting to the latter stages of a tournament to be in with a chance of that. And, so far, Southgate has proven himself to be the most successful England manager in terms of tournament progression.

Ramsey - 1 final (which the team won), 1 quarter final, and 1 failure to qualify.
Robson - Failed to qualify in '84, 1 quarter final, eliminated in group stage of '88, 1 semi final.
Eriksson - 3 quarter finals.
Southgate - 1 quarter final, 1 semi final and 1 final

Yes, he is conservative in his tactics and reluctant to make timely substitutions. But I'd take this era over any previous one.

And, while last night's performance was on the turgid side, in past eras we'd have either conceded an equalizer or even lost that game.

England lacked penetration on their left hand side.

Whether this was ordered, or just lack of quality, I don't know

Better teams than Serbia will expose Englands shortcomings

It’s so bizarre seeing people saying the same old sh*t, when we have, for the last decade, consistently grown into tournaments, navigated the group stage well, put in big performances. And how do people not get that the quality of a group stage performance says nothing about how a quarter final goes?
Did England play the same way against Netherlands in 96 as Switzerland a week earlier?

Belgium
The most over rated side in world Football?

Belgium isn't a real country anyway.

They should have scored at least 3 goals in that half.

Could be Duda's day

Hoover Attack wrote: ↑Mon Jun 17, 2024 10:56 am

Max B Gold wrote: ↑Mon Jun 17, 2024 10:40 am

Proposition Joe wrote: ↑Mon Jun 17, 2024 10:17 am

How odd that he kept fouling him then.

Kane was diving and throwing himself all over the place.

And winning free kicks, retaining possession and breaking the flow of the game in the process. Like what a proper centre forward should be doing.

Probably still a 5 out of 10 at best. Also missed a sitter.

CEB wrote: ↑Mon Jun 17, 2024 5:09 pm It’s so bizarre seeing people saying the same old sh*t, when we have, for the last decade, consistently grown into tournaments, navigated the group stage well, put in big performances. And how do people not get that the quality of a group stage performance says nothing about how a quarter final goes?
Did England play the same way against Netherlands in 96 as Switzerland a week earlier?

You're beginning to sound desperate. We all know Southgate has to go.

Max B Gold wrote: ↑Mon Jun 17, 2024 9:49 pm

CEB wrote: ↑Mon Jun 17, 2024 5:09 pm It’s so bizarre seeing people saying the same old sh*t, when we have, for the last decade, consistently grown into tournaments, navigated the group stage well, put in big performances. And how do people not get that the quality of a group stage performance says nothing about how a quarter final goes?
Did England play the same way against Netherlands in 96 as Switzerland a week earlier?

You're beginning to sound desperate. We all know Southgate has to go.

Definitely. He's at risk of doing a 'Corbyn' otherwise.

Max B Gold wrote: ↑Mon Jun 17, 2024 9:49 pm

CEB wrote: ↑Mon Jun 17, 2024 5:09 pm It’s so bizarre seeing people saying the same old sh*t, when we have, for the last decade, consistently grown into tournaments, navigated the group stage well, put in big performances. And how do people not get that the quality of a group stage performance says nothing about how a quarter final goes?
Did England play the same way against Netherlands in 96 as Switzerland a week earlier?

You're beginning to sound desperate. We all know Southgate has to go.

Would you like him to take over from Steve Clarke ??

Cheshunto wrote: ↑Tue Jun 18, 2024 7:00 am

Max B Gold wrote: ↑Mon Jun 17, 2024 9:49 pm

CEB wrote: ↑Mon Jun 17, 2024 5:09 pm It’s so bizarre seeing people saying the same old sh*t, when we have, for the last decade, consistently grown into tournaments, navigated the group stage well, put in big performances. And how do people not get that the quality of a group stage performance says nothing about how a quarter final goes?
Did England play the same way against Netherlands in 96 as Switzerland a week earlier?

You're beginning to sound desperate. We all know Southgate has to go.

Would you like him to take over from Steve Clarke ??

Not even Southgate can help Scotland. We are doomed to be the best UK team for all time.

No mention of France making hard work of it against Austria, or Belgium losing to Slovakia but plenty about Gareth winning against Serbia.

Tournament football is hard

Turkey Georgia, what a brilliant watch

Brigs wrote: ↑Tue Jun 18, 2024 6:29 pm Turkey Georgia, what a brilliant watch

England would struggle against either of these two excellent sides….,,,,fantastic game so far.