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Where does all your info come from?

Forgot about Obeiro. Liked him a lot from the little we saw.

Pegrum is the same age as Shaq. He’s got some way to go to get near him, massive potential or not.

Top of the JES wrote: ↑Sun Feb 18, 2024 2:32 pm

moonwalk19 wrote: ↑Sun Feb 18, 2024 9:37 am

RedDwarf 1881 wrote: ↑Sat Feb 17, 2024 7:10 pm

Most of us have known for some time we're too slow in the transfer market and must move more quickly in future .

We are too slow because we are not prepared to pay wages that this division demands for good players. We only had a small budget left over in the window that could not attract any good experienced players. The club states that we have a transfer committee that sits down regularly to target players but we never get anybody in until late in the window. RW must be really frustrated as to how we ferfomed in this window. Lingy s attitude never changes towards the transfer windows .

Signing players late in the summer window proved to be a bullshit notion put out by anti Lingers and I see you are continuing along that line.

Noticeably slow in Jan year after year though

I have a conspiracy theory, maybe the board purposely didn’t get the new recruits Wellens wanted. If they had and Wellens got them into the playoffs or even better got them promoted,that would have put the board in an awkward position. This way they will have achieved there goal (pardon the pun) a mid table position,which the board openly said they wanted at the end of last year. It looks to me they weren’t expecting to do so well so fast? Of course that is a good thing but it would have put them in a dilemma. As said only a conspiracy theory that won’t go down well with everyone on here which I appreciate.

Did they somehow injure the players to help us not get into play offs?

Rich Tea Wellin wrote: ↑Sun Feb 18, 2024 5:00 pm

Top of the JES wrote: ↑Sun Feb 18, 2024 2:32 pm

moonwalk19 wrote: ↑Sun Feb 18, 2024 9:37 am

We are too slow because we are not prepared to pay wages that this division demands for good players. We only had a small budget left over in the window that could not attract any good experienced players. The club states that we have a transfer committee that sits down regularly to target players but we never get anybody in until late in the window. RW must be really frustrated as to how we ferfomed in this window. Lingy s attitude never changes towards the transfer windows .

Signing players late in the summer window proved to be a bullshit notion put out by anti Lingers and I see you are continuing along that line.

Noticeably slow in Jan year after year though

Yep wouldn’t disagree about January but it is notoriously difficult to do business in that window, MK Dons would not allow Mo Eisa to join Exeter City without a loan fee, get that a lot at higher levels but not from EFL league One/Two clubs, I don’t know but I wonder if we were about to sign Eisa but MKD decided they wanted a fee at last minute and the club refused to pay it.

Story of O wrote: ↑Sun Feb 18, 2024 9:16 pm Did they somehow injure the players to help us not get into play offs?

Ignore it, It’s click bait.

The Reverend wrote: ↑Sat Feb 17, 2024 7:08 pm Richie clearly not happy with the Jan transfer window, going as far as having to be given a dressing down by Travis for public criticism.

Clearly he holds Ling responsible for transfer activity. During an interview back in Jan Wellens basically said transfer dealings are nothing to do with him, it’s the DoFs job.

Wonder if that has the potential to get toxic. Can’t see Richie sticking around at a club who don’t support him in the transfer market.

That is contrary to what he has previously said. He has gone on record and said nothing happens on transfers without his invovlement. He may not be happy but that will be because targets were missed, but he's almost certinaly given the nod to everyone passing through the door.

Hoover Attack wrote: ↑Sun Feb 18, 2024 4:54 pm Where does all your info come from?

Forgot about Obeiro. Liked him a lot from the little we saw.

Pegrum is the same age as Shaq. He’s got some way to go to get near him, massive potential or not.

I think he will get some opportunity between now and the end of the season, I would rather see Pegram playing than Pigott who has been a complete flop.

redintheface wrote: ↑Sun Feb 18, 2024 2:45 pm

Top of the JES wrote: ↑Sun Feb 18, 2024 2:32 pm

moonwalk19 wrote: ↑Sun Feb 18, 2024 9:37 am

We are too slow because we are not prepared to pay wages that this division demands for good players. We only had a small budget left over in the window that could not attract any good experienced players. The club states that we have a transfer committee that sits down regularly to target players but we never get anybody in until late in the window. RW must be really frustrated as to how we ferfomed in this window. Lingy s attitude never changes towards the transfer windows .

You are wrong (not uncommon) We pay decent wages for L1 but we can't compete with top 8 clubs and never will so what are you expecting? All things considered I'm happy with our squad and our League position. Spending money on Cooper, Graham and Forde set us back and meant we had less to spend in January.

Signing players late in the summer window proved to be a bullshit notion put out by anti Lingers and I see you are continuing along that line.

Don’t believe we spent any money on Forde- he’s on loan.

We pay £500 per week - fact. Great business.

Story of O wrote: ↑Sun Feb 18, 2024 9:16 pm Did they somehow injure the players to help us not get into play offs?

Not once did I mention injured players,just the players Richie wanted to push for a promotion push that he wanted but didn’t get.

LittleMate wrote: ↑Sun Feb 18, 2024 9:27 pm

The Reverend wrote: ↑Sat Feb 17, 2024 7:08 pm Richie clearly not happy with the Jan transfer window, going as far as having to be given a dressing down by Travis for public criticism.

Clearly he holds Ling responsible for transfer activity. During an interview back in Jan Wellens basically said transfer dealings are nothing to do with him, it’s the DoFs job.

Wonder if that has the potential to get toxic. Can’t see Richie sticking around at a club who don’t support him in the transfer market.

That is contrary to what he has previously said. He has gone on record and said nothing happens on transfers without his invovlement. He may not be happy but that will be because targets were missed, but he's almost certinaly given the nod to everyone passing through the door.

Yeah but it’s not as good a story as RW and Ling falling out some would love that.

Top of the JES wrote: ↑Sun Feb 18, 2024 9:27 pm

Hoover Attack wrote: ↑Sun Feb 18, 2024 4:54 pm Where does all your info come from?

Forgot about Obeiro. Liked him a lot from the little we saw.

Pegrum is the same age as Shaq. He’s got some way to go to get near him, massive potential or not.

I think he will get some opportunity between now and the end of the season, I would rather see Pegram playing than Pigott who has been a complete flop.

Pegrum needs to have improved significantly since last July/August to be anywhere near good enough.

Hoover Attack wrote: ↑Sun Feb 18, 2024 10:04 pm

Top of the JES wrote: ↑Sun Feb 18, 2024 9:27 pm

Hoover Attack wrote: ↑Sun Feb 18, 2024 4:54 pm Where does all your info come from?

Forgot about Obeiro. Liked him a lot from the little we saw.

Pegrum is the same age as Shaq. He’s got some way to go to get near him, massive potential or not.

I think he will get some opportunity between now and the end of the season, I would rather see Pegram playing than Pigott who has been a complete flop.

Pegrum needs to have improved significantly since last July/August to be anywhere near good enough.

He made an impact when he came on against Charlton on the opening day, he hasn't had much chance since but he's developing well physically and needs some playing time in the EFL, we are a long shot for the play offs and relatively safe from relegation but we will never know unless he gets some pitch time.

LittleMate wrote: ↑Sun Feb 18, 2024 9:27 pm

The Reverend wrote: ↑Sat Feb 17, 2024 7:08 pm Richie clearly not happy with the Jan transfer window, going as far as having to be given a dressing down by Travis for public criticism.

Clearly he holds Ling responsible for transfer activity. During an interview back in Jan Wellens basically said transfer dealings are nothing to do with him, it’s the DoFs job.

Wonder if that has the potential to get toxic. Can’t see Richie sticking around at a club who don’t support him in the transfer market.

That is contrary to what he has previously said. He has gone on record and said nothing happens on transfers without his invovlement. He may not be happy but that will be because targets were missed, but he's almost certinaly given the nod to everyone passing through the door.

He also said this (at 3.20)

Top of the JES wrote: ↑Sun Feb 18, 2024 10:43 pm
He made an impact when he came on against Charlton on the opening day,

That’s simply not true. He looked like a boy playing against men. (Even though some of the Charlton men he was playing against were younger than him).

He did show good feet in the friendly game v Chelmsford.

Top of the JES wrote: ↑Sun Feb 18, 2024 10:43 pm we will never know unless he gets some pitch time.

Come on. We have paid professionals to make decisions as to whether players will be good enough to play L1 football.

LittleMate wrote: ↑Sun Feb 18, 2024 9:27 pm

The Reverend wrote: ↑Sat Feb 17, 2024 7:08 pm Richie clearly not happy with the Jan transfer window, going as far as having to be given a dressing down by Travis for public criticism.

Clearly he holds Ling responsible for transfer activity. During an interview back in Jan Wellens basically said transfer dealings are nothing to do with him, it’s the DoFs job.

Wonder if that has the potential to get toxic. Can’t see Richie sticking around at a club who don’t support him in the transfer market.

That is contrary to what he has previously said. He has gone on record and said nothing happens on transfers without his invovlement. He may not be happy but that will be because targets were missed, but he's almost certinaly given the nod to everyone passing through the door.

He has a say but if Ling doesn’t get who Wellens wants and the transfer committee decide Wellens’ 7th choice is a better option financially for the club, Wellens isn’t going to say no. Still need bodies in the squad.

Rich Tea Wellin wrote: ↑Mon Feb 19, 2024 7:12 am

LittleMate wrote: ↑Sun Feb 18, 2024 9:27 pm

The Reverend wrote: ↑Sat Feb 17, 2024 7:08 pm Richie clearly not happy with the Jan transfer window, going as far as having to be given a dressing down by Travis for public criticism.

Clearly he holds Ling responsible for transfer activity. During an interview back in Jan Wellens basically said transfer dealings are nothing to do with him, it’s the DoFs job.

Wonder if that has the potential to get toxic. Can’t see Richie sticking around at a club who don’t support him in the transfer market.

That is contrary to what he has previously said. He has gone on record and said nothing happens on transfers without his invovlement. He may not be happy but that will be because targets were missed, but he's almost certinaly given the nod to everyone passing through the door.

He also said this (at 3.20)

You can both be right.

I’ve no doubt Richie has the final say but it’s Lingy and team that do all the leg work.

What would have happened is it got to 10:00pm on deadline day, Lingy tells Richie that Turns has gone back to fund the senior striker, but the senior target 1 isn’t coming and senior target 2 has gone elsewhere. However, loan e kid 1 and loanee kid 2 are available. Richie has to take them or nothing.

Hoover Attack wrote: ↑Mon Feb 19, 2024 7:50 am

Top of the JES wrote: ↑Sun Feb 18, 2024 10:43 pm
He made an impact when he came on against Charlton on the opening day,

That’s simply not true. He looked like a boy playing against men. (Even though some of the Charlton men he was playing against were younger than him).

He did show good feet in the friendly game v Chelmsford.

It simply is true, he looked lively had a good first touch and wasn’t out of place. We were better when he came on the pitch.

Hoover Attack wrote: ↑Mon Feb 19, 2024 7:52 am

Top of the JES wrote: ↑Sun Feb 18, 2024 10:43 pm we will never know unless he gets some pitch time.

Come on. We have paid professionals to make decisions as to whether players will be good enough to play L1 football.

Well he’s been on the bench last few games so they must think he can handle it, he needs some pitch time.

Top of the JES wrote: ↑Mon Feb 19, 2024 8:14 am

Hoover Attack wrote: ↑Mon Feb 19, 2024 7:50 am

Top of the JES wrote: ↑Sun Feb 18, 2024 10:43 pm
He made an impact when he came on against Charlton on the opening day,

That’s simply not true. He looked like a boy playing against men. (Even though some of the Charlton men he was playing against were younger than him).

He did show good feet in the friendly game v Chelmsford.

It simply is true, he looked lively had a good first touch and wasn’t out of place. I will assume you didn’t go to that game either that or your clueless.

He looked so good that he was immediately loaned out to a non-league club…..

The Reverend wrote: ↑Mon Feb 19, 2024 8:21 am

Top of the JES wrote: ↑Mon Feb 19, 2024 8:14 am

Hoover Attack wrote: ↑Mon Feb 19, 2024 7:50 am

That’s simply not true. He looked like a boy playing against men. (Even though some of the Charlton men he was playing against were younger than him).

He did show good feet in the friendly game v Chelmsford.

It simply is true, he looked lively had a good first touch and wasn’t out of place. I will assume you didn’t go to that game either that or your clueless.

He looked so good that he was immediately loaned out to a non-league club…..

Just following the usual (formulaic) way we bring on the younger players, we have done it with all of the current youngsters, give them a contract and send them out to toughen up by playing regular men's football. It's not how we handled the likes of Laurie Cunningham, John Cheidozie, Kevin Godfrey who were all playing in a higher division than we are now at 17. Now we regard 20 year olds in the same way we regarded 17 year olds in previous times, but if they are good enough (Pegram is) give them a run of games.

Top of the JES wrote: ↑Mon Feb 19, 2024 8:56 am

The Reverend wrote: ↑Mon Feb 19, 2024 8:21 am

Top of the JES wrote: ↑Mon Feb 19, 2024 8:14 am

It simply is true, he looked lively had a good first touch and wasn’t out of place. I will assume you didn’t go to that game either that or your clueless.

He looked so good that he was immediately loaned out to a non-league club…..

Just following the usual (formulaic) way we bring on the younger players, we have done it with all of the current youngsters, give them a contract and send them out to toughen up by playing regular men's football. It's not how we handled the likes of Laurie Cunningham, John Cheidozie, Kevin Godfrey who were all playing in a higher division than we are now at 17. Now we regard 20 year olds in the same way we regarded 17 year olds in previous times, but if they are good enough (Pegram is) give them a run of games.

My point being that if Pegrum was anywhere near first team standard he wouldn’t have been loaned out to a non-league club 3 divisions below. He may well be a promising player, and I hope his development continues, but he isn’t really for league 1 football yet.

The Reverend wrote: ↑Mon Feb 19, 2024 8:21 am

Top of the JES wrote: ↑Mon Feb 19, 2024 8:14 am

Hoover Attack wrote: ↑Mon Feb 19, 2024 7:50 am

That’s simply not true. He looked like a boy playing against men. (Even though some of the Charlton men he was playing against were younger than him).

He did show good feet in the friendly game v Chelmsford.

It simply is true, he looked lively had a good first touch and wasn’t out of place. I will assume you didn’t go to that game either that or your clueless.

He looked so good that he was immediately loaned out to a non-league club…..

That's one way to win the argument, I guess. Savage.

The Reverend wrote: ↑Mon Feb 19, 2024 9:48 am

Top of the JES wrote: ↑Mon Feb 19, 2024 8:56 am

The Reverend wrote: ↑Mon Feb 19, 2024 8:21 am

He looked so good that he was immediately loaned out to a non-league club…..

Just following the usual (formulaic) way we bring on the younger players, we have done it with all of the current youngsters, give them a contract and send them out to toughen up by playing regular men's football. It's not how we handled the likes of Laurie Cunningham, John Cheidozie, Kevin Godfrey who were all playing in a higher division than we are now at 17. Now we regard 20 year olds in the same way we regarded 17 year olds in previous times, but if they are good enough (Pegram is) give them a run of games.

My point being that if Pegrum was anywhere near first team standard he wouldn’t have been loaned out to a non-league club 3 divisions below. He may well be a promising player, and I hope his development continues, but he isn’t really for league 1 football yet.

It's what we do with all the youngsters though almost as a default, I know what you are saying but Pegram is too good to be swanning about at Tonbridge Angels I think the club realised this and recalled him and put him straight on the bench.