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Posted: **Tue Jan 16, 2024 6:22 pm**

If it were a word in whelmed by this one. He looked both find of the season and liability within the course of a couple of weeks so very much a time will tell player.

More interesting is whether we'll see any departures to free up budget as we must be very tight to the limit now and still needing that winger at least?

Posted: **Tue Jan 16, 2024 6:28 pm**

Think Brandon will prove to be a very good signing for us.
Welcome to the O’s Coops.

Posted: **Tue Jan 16, 2024 6:30 pm**

Meh. Not particularly enthused by this signing as I believe he's been a bit of a liability in games I've seen. We've been in a better run since he went playing elbow head with the derby attack.

Posted: **Tue Jan 16, 2024 6:44 pm**

I do wonder if the permanent signing of Cooper means we’ve been approached about Happe

Posted: **Tue Jan 16, 2024 6:46 pm**

Great signing
Him being introduced originally coincided with our 1st clean sheet & wins & many points along the way.

Taking revenge on the Derby player who put him
on the deck in the 1sst half is understandable.

Dean Smith did the same thing to Leo Fortune West
Months after his own injured eye.

Fortune West & Dean were both out for about 3 months .

O's fans still love Deano.

Posted: **Tue Jan 16, 2024 6:50 pm**

Joe315 wrote: ↑Tue Jan 16, 2024 6:46 pm Great signing
Him being introduced originally coincided with our 1st clean sheet & wins & many points along the way.

Taking revenge on the Derby player who put him
on the deck in the 1sst half is understandable.

Dean Smith did the same thing to Leo Fortune West
Months after his own injured eye.

Fortune West & Dean were both out for about 3 months .

O's fans still love Deano.

Not sure that elbow could ever be described as understandable

Posted: **Tue Jan 16, 2024 6:53 pm**

Turk wrote: ↑Tue Jan 16, 2024 6:50 pm
Joe315 wrote: ↑Tue Jan 16, 2024 6:46 pm Great signing
Him being introduced originally coincided with our 1st clean sheet & wins & many points along the way.

Taking revenge on the Derby player who put him
on the deck in the 1sst half is understandable.

Dean Smith did the same thing to Leo Fortune West
Months after his own injured eye.

Fortune West & Dean were both out for about 3 months .

O's fans still love Deano.
Not sure that elbow could ever be described as understandable

Debs on Leo or the other way around ?

An eye for an eye & all that.
Either way Deano was never told he needs to
control his temper as Cooper seems to be

Posted: **Tue Jan 16, 2024 6:58 pm**

Turk wrote: ↑Tue Jan 16, 2024 6:44 pm I do wonder if the permanent signing of Cooper means we’ve been approached about Happe

We have

Posted: **Tue Jan 16, 2024 7:02 pm**

Turk wrote: ↑Tue Jan 16, 2024 6:44 pm I do wonder if the permanent signing of Cooper means we’ve been approached about Happe

Yes you could be right or Thompson

or Turns being sent back?

Posted: **Tue Jan 16, 2024 7:06 pm**

Please god he’s not a replacement for Happe. Underwhelmed.

Posted: **Tue Jan 16, 2024 7:20 pm**

Joe315 wrote: ↑Tue Jan 16, 2024 6:53 pm
Turk wrote: ↑Tue Jan 16, 2024 6:50 pm
Joe315 wrote: ↑Tue Jan 16, 2024 6:46 pm Great signing
Him being introduced originally coincided with our 1st clean sheet & wins & many points along the way.

Taking revenge on the Derby player who put him
on the deck in the 1sst half is understandable.

Dean Smith did the same thing to Leo Fortune West
Months after his own injured eye.

Fortune West & Dean were both out for about 3 months .

O's fans still love Deano.
Not sure that elbow could ever be described as understandable
Debs on Leo or the other way around ?

An eye for an eye & all that.
Either way Deano was never told he needs to
control his temper as Cooper seems to be

Out of interest how far back are we allowed to go to justify an action that most people correctly so should be outraged by? I mean I’ve read about Smith and Fortune-West a few times now in an attempt to justify Coopers elbow and it’s hardly the most comprehensive comparable. If someone tells a sexist joke are we allowed to support it with claims that comedians used to get prime time TV shows out of it? Not that I would I’m just looking for the cut off point.

Cooper was and hopefully will continue to be a very good defender for us, however it doesn’t take away from the fact if he committed the elbow on the street he’d be facing a lengthy sentence. There’s no excusing it, it was wrong and as a professional footballer he should know better.

Posted: **Tue Jan 16, 2024 7:58 pm**

Beradogs wrote: ↑Tue Jan 16, 2024 7:06 pm Please god he’s not a replacement for Happe. Underwhelmed.

Keeping 2 left footed centre backs in a squad? I doubt it. I thought Happe is in the last 6 months of his contract, so Cooper must be cover and the club will take any decent money offered for Happe.

Posted: **Tue Jan 16, 2024 8:11 pm**

We aren't going to go back to 3 fit centre backs. I might be wrong but there is zero pointing to Happe leaving, he's played more than any other defender we have this season. Wellens loves him.

Posted: **Tue Jan 16, 2024 8:14 pm**

Turk wrote: ↑Tue Jan 16, 2024 7:20 pm
Joe315 wrote: ↑Tue Jan 16, 2024 6:53 pm
Turk wrote: ↑Tue Jan 16, 2024 6:50 pm

Not sure that elbow could ever be described as understandable
Debs on Leo or the other way around ?

An eye for an eye & all that.
Either way Deano was never told he needs to
control his temper as Cooper seems to be
Out of interest how far back are we allowed to go to justify an action that most people correctly so should be outraged by? I mean I’ve read about Smith and Fortune-West a few times now in an attempt to justify Coopers elbow and it’s hardly the most comprehensive comparable. If someone tells a sexist joke are we allowed to support it with claims that comedians used to get prime time TV shows out of it? Not that I would I’m just looking for the cut off point.

Cooper was and hopefully will continue to be a very good defender for us, however it doesn’t take away from the fact if he committed the elbow on the street he’d be facing a lengthy sentence. There’s no excusing it, it was wrong and as a professional footballer he should know better.

Ive heard Roy Keane waited 4 years to stand over Haaland. A lot of players will wait a couple of seasons some rhe return match. Bill Roffey would wait 1 second. Plenty of street fights in the world few result in sentences.

Posted: **Tue Jan 16, 2024 9:02 pm**

Again not a recent comparable. Games moved on rather than players carrying a grudge for weeks/months/years.

I get the gist of what you are saying but I don’t get the justification of the elbow.

Posted: **Tue Jan 16, 2024 9:05 pm**

Turk wrote: ↑Tue Jan 16, 2024 9:02 pm Again not a recent comparable. Games moved on rather than players carrying a grudge for weeks/months/years.

I get the gist of what you are saying but I don’t get the justification of the elbow.

There isn’t one

Posted: **Tue Jan 16, 2024 9:06 pm**

Who is Justiifying it ?

Cooper gets grief.
Yet plenty have done worse in an O's shirt & are lauded as
Legends Heroes Fan Favourites.

Double Standards is what I dislike

Posted: **Tue Jan 16, 2024 9:07 pm**

Monkey Boy wrote: ↑Tue Jan 16, 2024 9:05 pm
Turk wrote: ↑Tue Jan 16, 2024 9:02 pm Again not a recent comparable. Games moved on rather than players carrying a grudge for weeks/months/years.

I get the gist of what you are saying but I don’t get the justification of the elbow.
There isn’t one

So if someone attacks you at your work are you not allowed to retaliate or defend yourself ?

Or will you just forgive them ?

Posted: **Tue Jan 16, 2024 9:15 pm**

The sort of permanent signing Orient need to be making to build a strong league 1 squad

Posted: **Tue Jan 16, 2024 9:17 pm**

LittleMate wrote: ↑Tue Jan 16, 2024 7:58 pm
Beradogs wrote: ↑Tue Jan 16, 2024 7:06 pm Please god he’s not a replacement for Happe. Underwhelmed.
Keeping 2 left footed centre backs in a squad? I doubt it. I thought Happe is in the last 6 months of his contract, so Cooper must be cover and the club will take any decent money offered for Happe.

You don’t have to play 1 right footed CB and 1 left footed CB, you know.

Posted: **Wed Jan 17, 2024 7:27 am**

Joe315 wrote: ↑Tue Jan 16, 2024 9:07 pm
Monkey Boy wrote: ↑Tue Jan 16, 2024 9:05 pm
Turk wrote: ↑Tue Jan 16, 2024 9:02 pm Again not a recent comparable. Games moved on rather than players carrying a grudge for weeks/months/years.

I get the gist of what you are saying but I don’t get the justification of the elbow.
There isn’t one
So if someone attacks you at your work are you not allowed to retaliate or defend yourself ?

Or will you just forgive them ?

Was Cooper "attacked"?

Posted: **Wed Jan 17, 2024 7:42 am**

Mistadobalina wrote: ↑Tue Jan 16, 2024 8:11 pm We aren't going to go back to 3 fit centre backs. I might be wrong but there is zero pointing to Happe leaving, he's played more than any other defender we have this season. Wellens loves him.

Well, there’s the fact that he only signed for a year and is out of contract in the summer. Wouldn’t surprise me if there was an understanding that if he signed the contact, we wouldn’t stand in his way should a bigger club come in. And that well also get a fee.

Posted: **Wed Jan 17, 2024 7:52 am**

With an option to extend it for another season. I saw it more as a hedge against him not recovering from the injury he got. I can't see his form this season earning him a move to a bigger club tbh.

Posted: **Wed Jan 17, 2024 8:37 am**

I’m very pleased with this signing because I’ve always thought he was a good player. All I would say is I hope he can control his temper a little bit better in the future even if he’s provoked. Elbowing an opponent right in the mouth in front of the fourth official wasn’t the smartest thing to do.

Posted: **Wed Jan 17, 2024 9:54 am**

Hoover Attack wrote: ↑Tue Jan 16, 2024 9:17 pm
LittleMate wrote: ↑Tue Jan 16, 2024 7:58 pm
Beradogs wrote: ↑Tue Jan 16, 2024 7:06 pm Please god he’s not a replacement for Happe. Underwhelmed.
Keeping 2 left footed centre backs in a squad? I doubt it. I thought Happe is in the last 6 months of his contract, so Cooper must be cover and the club will take any decent money offered for Happe.
You don’t have to play 1 right footed CB and 1 left footed CB, you know.

Good in the air and physical.
Cooper is predominantly right footed isn't he?
Or have I not been paying attention

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