Re: Do we Play to win ?
Posted: Mon Dec 04, 2023 4:36 pm
That doesn't make the criticism any less thick when it's about a manager and a style that has obviously been highly successful.
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If you read into it, it's a bit of a tongue in cheek question but at the same time saying that we have to change a bit if we want to win games. And that, i believe.That's how I interpret it, anyway.Hoover Attack wrote: ↑Mon Dec 04, 2023 3:59 pmIt is a daft question. He also calls our possession based approach 'tippy tappy' football, which is equally daft.Chief crazy horse wrote: ↑Mon Dec 04, 2023 12:50 pm I don't think the opening post is such a 'daft' question because we play more for show. Don't get me wrong I love watching our play and having more possession of the ball than our opponents. But, like I've said before there's far too much emphasis on tippy tapping our way up to the penalty area and not enough emphasis on killer passes, movement and more bodies in the box. In other words rather than always looking good mix up our play a bit more.
Quite right, he took all the plaudits when we won the league and deservedly so. Now that we have been in a relatively long period of dreary and lacklustre performances he has to expect the criticisms.Mistadobalina wrote: ↑Mon Dec 04, 2023 4:36 pm That doesn't make the criticism any less thick when it's about a manager and a style that has obviously been highly successful.
Possession based Football this season isn't winning us many games in a more competitive league.Hoover Attack wrote: ↑Mon Dec 04, 2023 3:59 pmIt is a daft question. He also calls our possession based approach 'tippy tappy' football, which is equally daft.Chief crazy horse wrote: ↑Mon Dec 04, 2023 12:50 pm I don't think the opening post is such a 'daft' question because we play more for show. Don't get me wrong I love watching our play and having more possession of the ball than our opponents. But, like I've said before there's far too much emphasis on tippy tapping our way up to the penalty area and not enough emphasis on killer passes, movement and more bodies in the box. In other words rather than always looking good mix up our play a bit more.
Got that completely wrong tuffersJoe315 wrote: ↑Tue Dec 05, 2023 8:40 amPossession based Football this season isn't winning us many games in a more competitive league.Hoover Attack wrote: ↑Mon Dec 04, 2023 3:59 pmIt is a daft question. He also calls our possession based approach 'tippy tappy' football, which is equally daft.Chief crazy horse wrote: ↑Mon Dec 04, 2023 12:50 pm I don't think the opening post is such a 'daft' question because we play more for show. Don't get me wrong I love watching our play and having more possession of the ball than our opponents. But, like I've said before there's far too much emphasis on tippy tapping our way up to the penalty area and not enough emphasis on killer passes, movement and more bodies in the box. In other words rather than always looking good mix up our play a bit more.
Tippy Tappy is a description by many who do not like possesion football & want direct attacking football.
Daft is not accepting a team has won only 5 of 19 league matches & is currently 6 points above the relegation zone & 11 points from a play off spot.
We need something to change .
I'd like personally for RW to make sure the team are hard to beat, but I also want the mentality of players to change, if opportunity presents to attack an opposition then take it & beat the man , not think I might not get past him so I'll keep possession instead & pass it backwards or no look sideways like Turns did when he gave the ball away.
Again " It isn't about possession, It isn't about tactics
Or selections & Formations .
It's about Attitudes & Desire & belief .
Right now I am starting to question some of these
Key attributes in Mentality of players & possibly Management staff coaches owners .
I'm certainly not asking for RW to be sacked .
I just want him to act & Think like a winning Manager & Not as a Manager who was a Midfield player.
Be a Little more brave take a few more risks when we
need to as well as be a bit more aggressive in approach.
Lincoln & Chesterfield are 2 of the worst performances I have seen since the takeover.
Totally agree, so find a formula to win(easy to say I Know), But lets go back to Blackpool a Exeter a Peterbro a Cambridge h Shrews h Reading h Carlisle a please quickly.DrWindy wrote: ↑Tue Dec 05, 2023 8:54 am I am not sure it’s that simple to separate it all out though.
Formation and tactics can provide belief, or drain it.
Example, Sunday with Forde up front. Couldn’t hold the ball up or win a tackle. He’s a box player. You could see that after fifteen minutes it wasn’t going to work. Maybe the players could to.
I agree every player should be putting in a shift but not always that easy if you can see something isn’t working. I don’t think it’s a lack of effort for the majority of the players. I think more lack of confidence and belief in what their doing.
Again If I was who you think admin would have checked my devices & email address .Monkey Boy wrote: ↑Tue Dec 05, 2023 8:58 amGot that completely wrong tuffersJoe315 wrote: ↑Tue Dec 05, 2023 8:40 amPossession based Football this season isn't winning us many games in a more competitive league.Hoover Attack wrote: ↑Mon Dec 04, 2023 3:59 pm
It is a daft question. He also calls our possession based approach 'tippy tappy' football, which is equally daft.
Tippy Tappy is a description by many who do not like possesion football & want direct attacking football.
Daft is not accepting a team has won only 5 of 19 league matches & is currently 6 points above the relegation zone & 11 points from a play off spot.
We need something to change .
I'd like personally for RW to make sure the team are hard to beat, but I also want the mentality of players to change, if opportunity presents to attack an opposition then take it & beat the man , not think I might not get past him so I'll keep possession instead & pass it backwards or no look sideways like Turns did when he gave the ball away.
Again " It isn't about possession, It isn't about tactics
Or selections & Formations .
It's about Attitudes & Desire & belief .
Right now I am starting to question some of these
Key attributes in Mentality of players & possibly Management staff coaches owners .
I'm certainly not asking for RW to be sacked .
I just want him to act & Think like a winning Manager & Not as a Manager who was a Midfield player.
Be a Little more brave take a few more risks when we
need to as well as be a bit more aggressive in approach.
Lincoln & Chesterfield are 2 of the worst performances I have seen since the takeover.![]()
Of course it's a detrimental term, used to disparage the modern, possession based approach to the game. Generally used by old school types who don't like players peeing around with the ball at the back.Chief crazy horse wrote: ↑Mon Dec 04, 2023 4:50 pmIf you read into it, it's a bit of a tongue in cheek question but at the same time saying that we have to change a bit if we want to win games. And that, i believe.That's how I interpret it, anyway.Hoover Attack wrote: ↑Mon Dec 04, 2023 3:59 pmIt is a daft question. He also calls our possession based approach 'tippy tappy' football, which is equally daft.Chief crazy horse wrote: ↑Mon Dec 04, 2023 12:50 pm I don't think the opening post is such a 'daft' question because we play more for show. Don't get me wrong I love watching our play and having more possession of the ball than our opponents. But, like I've said before there's far too much emphasis on tippy tapping our way up to the penalty area and not enough emphasis on killer passes, movement and more bodies in the box. In other words rather than always looking good mix up our play a bit more.
As far as 'tippy tappy' goes it's just a modern footballing term to identify a teams style of play. You know this. Nothing detrimental.
Of course it's not a lack of effort.DrWindy wrote: ↑Tue Dec 05, 2023 8:54 am I am not sure it’s that simple to separate it all out though.
Formation and tactics can provide belief, or drain it.
Example, Sunday with Forde up front. Couldn’t hold the ball up or win a tackle. He’s a box player. You could see that after fifteen minutes it wasn’t going to work. Maybe the players could to.
I agree every player should be putting in a shift but not always that easy if you can see something isn’t working. I don’t think it’s a lack of effort for the majority of the players. I think more lack of confidence and belief in what their doing.
Agree, Forde is a box player only. And I think Stanley above is a bit premature in writing him off.DrWindy wrote: ↑Tue Dec 05, 2023 8:54 am I am not sure it’s that simple to separate it all out though.
Formation and tactics can provide belief, or drain it.
Example, Sunday with Forde up front. Couldn’t hold the ball up or win a tackle. He’s a box player. You could see that after fifteen minutes it wasn’t going to work. Maybe the players could to.
I agree every player should be putting in a shift but not always that easy if you can see something isn’t working. I don’t think it’s a lack of effort for the majority of the players. I think more lack of confidence and belief in what their doing.
Detrimental or not Detrimental it's Wellens' way of playing and he goes a bit too far with it.Hoover Attack wrote: ↑Tue Dec 05, 2023 9:33 amOf course it's a detrimental term, used to disparage the modern, possession based approach to the game. Generally used by old school types who don't like players peeing around with the ball at the back.Chief crazy horse wrote: ↑Mon Dec 04, 2023 4:50 pmIf you read into it, it's a bit of a tongue in cheek question but at the same time saying that we have to change a bit if we want to win games. And that, i believe.That's how I interpret it, anyway.Hoover Attack wrote: ↑Mon Dec 04, 2023 3:59 pm
It is a daft question. He also calls our possession based approach 'tippy tappy' football, which is equally daft.
As far as 'tippy tappy' goes it's just a modern footballing term to identify a teams style of play. You know this. Nothing detrimental.
He doesn't get it Chief CH.Chief crazy horse wrote: ↑Tue Dec 05, 2023 9:43 amDetrimental or not Detrimental it's Wellens' way of playing and he goes a bit too far with it.Hoover Attack wrote: ↑Tue Dec 05, 2023 9:33 amOf course it's a detrimental term, used to disparage the modern, possession based approach to the game. Generally used by old school types who don't like players peeing around with the ball at the back.Chief crazy horse wrote: ↑Mon Dec 04, 2023 4:50 pm
If you read into it, it's a bit of a tongue in cheek question but at the same time saying that we have to change a bit if we want to win games. And that, i believe.That's how I interpret it, anyway.
As far as 'tippy tappy' goes it's just a modern footballing term to identify a teams style of play. You know this. Nothing detrimental.
Are you seriously saying Riche Wellens goes a bit too far with the 'tippy-tappy' possession based football, and instead we should try and be a bit more like Ange P's Spurs???Joe315 wrote: ↑Tue Dec 05, 2023 9:50 amHe doesn't get it Chief CH.Chief crazy horse wrote: ↑Tue Dec 05, 2023 9:43 amDetrimental or not Detrimental it's Wellens' way of playing and he goes a bit too far with it.Hoover Attack wrote: ↑Tue Dec 05, 2023 9:33 am
Of course it's a detrimental term, used to disparage the modern, possession based approach to the game. Generally used by old school types who don't like players peeing around with the ball at the back.
2 types of Tippy Tappy (possesion football) was
played & on show at the Etihad on Sunday .
Man city's world beating slickness &
The pure thrust of Ange Postecoglus
Tottenham who were undeniably under pressure from the Favourites . Yet managed to muster a belief
In what the goal is . We'll defend & keep ball when we have to , but when opportunity presents me explode all
guns blazing . Winning mentality football .
Ah, it's a wind up. There you go.Joe315 wrote: ↑Tue Dec 05, 2023 9:50 amHe doesn't get it Chief CH.Chief crazy horse wrote: ↑Tue Dec 05, 2023 9:43 amDetrimental or not Detrimental it's Wellens' way of playing and he goes a bit too far with it.Hoover Attack wrote: ↑Tue Dec 05, 2023 9:33 am
Of course it's a detrimental term, used to disparage the modern, possession based approach to the game. Generally used by old school types who don't like players peeing around with the ball at the back.
2 types of Tippy Tappy (possesion football) was
played & on show at the Etihad on Sunday .
Man city's world beating slickness &
The pure thrust of Ange Postecoglus
Tottenham who were undeniably under pressure from the Favourites . Yet managed to muster a belief
In what the goal is . We'll defend & keep ball when we have to , but when opportunity presents me explode all
guns blazing . Winning mentality football .
Not even close to what I have said.Hoover Attack wrote: ↑Tue Dec 05, 2023 10:12 amAre you seriously saying Riche Wellens goes a bit too far with the 'tippy-tappy' possession based football, and instead we should try and be a bit more like Ange P's Spurs???Joe315 wrote: ↑Tue Dec 05, 2023 9:50 amHe doesn't get it Chief CH.Chief crazy horse wrote: ↑Tue Dec 05, 2023 9:43 am
Detrimental or not Detrimental it's Wellens' way of playing and he goes a bit too far with it.
2 types of Tippy Tappy (possesion football) was
played & on show at the Etihad on Sunday .
Man city's world beating slickness &
The pure thrust of Ange Postecoglus
Tottenham who were undeniably under pressure from the Favourites . Yet managed to muster a belief
In what the goal is . We'll defend & keep ball when we have to , but when opportunity presents me explode all
guns blazing . Winning mentality football .
Have you seriously just said that?
No wind up.Mistadobalina wrote: ↑Tue Dec 05, 2023 10:17 amAh, it's a wind up. There you go.Joe315 wrote: ↑Tue Dec 05, 2023 9:50 amHe doesn't get it Chief CH.Chief crazy horse wrote: ↑Tue Dec 05, 2023 9:43 am
Detrimental or not Detrimental it's Wellens' way of playing and he goes a bit too far with it.
2 types of Tippy Tappy (possesion football) was
played & on show at the Etihad on Sunday .
Man city's world beating slickness &
The pure thrust of Ange Postecoglus
Tottenham who were undeniably under pressure from the Favourites . Yet managed to muster a belief
In what the goal is . We'll defend & keep ball when we have to , but when opportunity presents me explode all
guns blazing . Winning mentality football .
Of course it is, he’s also Soloman and probably one or two others, tuffers just doesn’t disappear over night not someone like him or her maybe who knows? this is there thrill in life they enjoy it, easy to set up an email address, my guess he has a few. Probably argues with himself to start the ball rolling. Tuffers got band around August and look when Joe appeared. Cleaver setting up several accounts knowing that will happen at some point.wonder if all the genuine people were to foe the undesirables on here you would soon know who he or they were.Hoover Attack wrote: ↑Tue Dec 05, 2023 11:08 am This is tuffers, isn't it? I'm f*cking arguing on the internet with that clown tuffers again, aren't I?
Not at all. They're an absolute joy to watch (as a neutral) with their kamikazee possession based football and ridiculously high defensive line.Long slender neck wrote: ↑Tue Dec 05, 2023 11:25 am Are we knocking Spurs, who are 5th without Kane (and were recently higher before injuries) ?