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Posted: **Sat Nov 25, 2023 9:57 pm**

Horient wrote: ↑Sat Nov 25, 2023 9:16 pm
banqo wrote: ↑Sat Nov 25, 2023 8:53 pm
spen666 wrote: ↑Sat Nov 25, 2023 8:35 pm

So Wigan are not below Orient in the table? Better call the EFL and tell them the table is wrong then.
Yes, but do you know the reason why?
He will say he is technically correct as they are below us in the table and the answer is ‘yes’ due to this.

What this moron won’t admit is he has been stupid with his comment, after years of insinuating that everyone else is stupid for their options and mocking posts.

Add on Wigan’s deducted points and it’s a decent result.

So glad to see such a moronic comment from a bully.

Should have his tail between his legs.

Today, was a decent result against a good side who will surely climb, we were far from outclassed and with a bit of luck would have gone in 2-0 up as Forde should have scored a 2nd just after his goal.
Overall a draw was maybe a fair result but we dominated the 2nd half and looked the most likely team to score.
Far better performance today than Tuesday and WE WERE NOT OUTCALASSED !!!

Posted: **Sat Nov 25, 2023 10:04 pm**

This.

Posted: **Mon Nov 27, 2023 2:01 pm**

gshaw wrote: ↑Sat Nov 25, 2023 4:21 pm
Stan1972 wrote: ↑Sat Nov 25, 2023 4:07 pm Good game, very open, lots of chances.
Wigan are prob best team I’ve seen this season at Brisbane road, Humphrys and McManaman for Wigan and def champ players, they are quality.
Theo is our only output and he is on fire Theo has the beating of the Wigan RB every time.
We can win this!
Dan Agyei hopefully will get 10-15mins run out
We have a good crosser in Archibald but our strikers are pretty hopeless in the air upfront. Where's Darius Henderson when you need him?

Can’t wait until we get rid of the players that are clearly not league 1 capable in the January transfer window, far too much dead wood . The club must have identified what players that are quality for league 1 and above they want in the transfer window, just pray that we get in early and stay well clear of sick notes already carrrying injuries.

Posted: **Mon Nov 27, 2023 2:13 pm**

PoundhillO wrote: ↑Mon Nov 27, 2023 2:01 pm
gshaw wrote: ↑Sat Nov 25, 2023 4:21 pm
Stan1972 wrote: ↑Sat Nov 25, 2023 4:07 pm Good game, very open, lots of chances.
Wigan are prob best team I’ve seen this season at Brisbane road, Humphrys and McManaman for Wigan and def champ players, they are quality.
Theo is our only output and he is on fire Theo has the beating of the Wigan RB every time.
We can win this!
Dan Agyei hopefully will get 10-15mins run out
We have a good crosser in Archibald but our strikers are pretty hopeless in the air upfront. Where's Darius Henderson when you need him?
Can’t wait until we get rid of the players that are clearly not league 1 capable in the January transfer window, far too much dead wood . The club must have identified what players that are quality for league 1 and above they want in the transfer window, just pray that we get in early and stay well clear of sick notes already carrrying injuries.

And the money for this in January comes from ?

Posted: **Mon Nov 27, 2023 2:16 pm**

"And the money for this in January comes from ?"

Don't ask him stupid questions, he doesn't even go to games. Probably just watches on an illegal stream.

Posted: **Mon Nov 27, 2023 2:20 pm**

PoundhillO wrote: ↑Mon Nov 27, 2023 2:01 pm
gshaw wrote: ↑Sat Nov 25, 2023 4:21 pm
Stan1972 wrote: ↑Sat Nov 25, 2023 4:07 pm Good game, very open, lots of chances.
Wigan are prob best team I’ve seen this season at Brisbane road, Humphrys and McManaman for Wigan and def champ players, they are quality.
Theo is our only output and he is on fire Theo has the beating of the Wigan RB every time.
We can win this!
Dan Agyei hopefully will get 10-15mins run out
We have a good crosser in Archibald but our strikers are pretty hopeless in the air upfront. Where's Darius Henderson when you need him?
Can’t wait until we get rid of the players that are clearly not league 1 capable in the January transfer window, far too much dead wood . The club must have identified what players that are quality for league 1 and above they want in the transfer window, just pray that we get in early and stay well clear of sick notes already carrrying injuries.

How many of the squad would you like to cull over Xmas?

Posted: **Mon Nov 27, 2023 2:33 pm**

B.whitehouse+10more wrote: ↑Mon Nov 27, 2023 2:13 pm
PoundhillO wrote: ↑Mon Nov 27, 2023 2:01 pm
gshaw wrote: ↑Sat Nov 25, 2023 4:21 pm

We have a good crosser in Archibald but our strikers are pretty hopeless in the air upfront. Where's Darius Henderson when you need him?
Can’t wait until we get rid of the players that are clearly not league 1 capable in the January transfer window, far too much dead wood . The club must have identified what players that are quality for league 1 and above they want in the transfer window, just pray that we get in early and stay well clear of sick notes already carrrying injuries.
And the money for this in January comes from ?

1.. From getting rid of the rubbish, and saving thousands on their wages
Drinan, Moncur, Sweeney etc

2... From the pockets of the 10 or so multi millionaires on our board. Most of them are multimillionaires. They wanted to own, or part own a football club, well thats an expensive hobby for rich men and women, and they are all rich......very rich indeed

Its either fund the club to the level it needs to remain a league 1 club, or get out and sell to someone who can fund it ( or see it drop back into league 2)

Posted: **Mon Nov 27, 2023 2:54 pm**

You can't just shift players you don't fancy. Someone has to be wiling to take on their wages and often players have to be willing to take a pay cut. How do people not understand this.

I imagine we'll bring a winger in to cover for Graham and *maybe* a striker in January if Drinan gets another club. Still think one of our biggest issues is we don't have good enough full backs to play the the 4-3-3 Wellens wants to and so we're having to play 3 centre backs to compensate. Ideally, we'd bring a left back in who can defend better than Hunt, freeing up Theo to play up top and have Agyei on the other wing.

Posted: **Mon Nov 27, 2023 3:25 pm**

ComeOnYouOs wrote: ↑Mon Nov 27, 2023 2:33 pm
B.whitehouse+10more wrote: ↑Mon Nov 27, 2023 2:13 pm
PoundhillO wrote: ↑Mon Nov 27, 2023 2:01 pm

Can’t wait until we get rid of the players that are clearly not league 1 capable in the January transfer window, far too much dead wood . The club must have identified what players that are quality for league 1 and above they want in the transfer window, just pray that we get in early and stay well clear of sick notes already carrrying injuries.
And the money for this in January comes from ?

2... From the pockets of the 10 or so multi millionaires on our board. Most of them are multimillionaires. They wanted to own, or part own a football club, well thats an expensive hobby for rich men and women, and they are all rich......very rich indeed

Its either fund the club to the level it needs to remain a league 1 club, or get out and sell to someone who can fund it ( or see it drop back into league 2)

1. EVERTON
2 MANCHESTER CITY
3 CHELSEA

All been or being investigated for Rich Men who
are being Investigated for breaching FFP rules.

Are you that daft to think any owner
can just spend what they want ?

Posted: **Mon Nov 27, 2023 4:19 pm**

Mistadobalina wrote: ↑Mon Nov 27, 2023 2:54 pm You can't just shift players you don't fancy. Someone has to be wiling to take on their wages and often players have to be willing to take a pay cut. How do people not understand this.

I imagine we'll bring a winger in to cover for Graham and *maybe* a striker in January if Drinan gets another club. Still think one of our biggest issues is we don't have good enough full backs to play the the 4-3-3 Wellens wants to and so we're having to play 3 centre backs to compensate. Ideally, we'd bring a left back in who can defend better than Hunt, freeing up Theo to play up top and have Agyei on the other wing.

I don't get any sense that Wellens is looking to move Drinnan on.

Posted: **Mon Nov 27, 2023 5:43 pm**

CharlieO wrote: ↑Mon Nov 27, 2023 4:19 pm
Mistadobalina wrote: ↑Mon Nov 27, 2023 2:54 pm You can't just shift players you don't fancy. Someone has to be wiling to take on their wages and often players have to be willing to take a pay cut. How do people not understand this.

I imagine we'll bring a winger in to cover for Graham and *maybe* a striker in January if Drinan gets another club. Still think one of our biggest issues is we don't have good enough full backs to play the the 4-3-3 Wellens wants to and so we're having to play 3 centre backs to compensate. Ideally, we'd bring a left back in who can defend better than Hunt, freeing up Theo to play up top and have Agyei on the other wing.
I don't get any sense that Wellens is looking to move Drinnan on.

It'll come down to finances and contract status ultimately.

To bring another striker or winger in someone needs to go to free up wages and / or a fee. Now what we do have are players from an L2 title squad so for a club at that level our players are worth looking at.

First candidates to look at are Drinan, Moncur and Sweeney. The latter two in particular are barely featuring so wouldn't be much of an impact on the squad.

Wouldn't be surprised though if we keep Drinan until end of the season for his work rate alone and go for a wide player to cover Graham instead.

Posted: **Mon Nov 27, 2023 6:34 pm**

Move on - two small words with big implications. Even if you can find clubs who are interested they are all under contract and are well within their rights to demand their contracts are paid up in part or in full, none of those three would command a fee so you are talking thousands of pounds just to get them off the payroll, Moncur still has 18 months on his contract.

Posted: **Mon Nov 27, 2023 6:55 pm**

Still can’t believe we spunked the £300k from Hector on Moncs less than 18 months ago. Insanity.

Drinnan is absolutely fine as cover, can play multiple forward positions. I do t see him going anywhere.

Posted: **Mon Nov 27, 2023 7:12 pm**

Hoover Attack wrote: ↑Mon Nov 27, 2023 6:55 pm Still can’t believe we spunked the £300k from Hector on Moncs less than 18 months ago. Insanity.

Drinnan is absolutely fine as cover, can play multiple forward positions. I do t see him going anywhere.

TBF he played his part last season but his fitness went towards the end and he has not looked anywhere near fit this season and
Has become a liability.

Posted: **Mon Nov 27, 2023 7:51 pm**

Hoover Attack wrote: ↑Mon Nov 27, 2023 6:55 pm Still can’t believe we spunked the £300k from Hector on Moncs less than 18 months ago. Insanity.

Drinnan is absolutely fine as cover, can play multiple forward positions. I do t see him going anywhere.

Aha, if there was any doubt who HA is it's been cleared up now.

Posted: **Mon Nov 27, 2023 8:21 pm**

B.whitehouse+10more wrote: ↑Mon Nov 27, 2023 2:13 pm
PoundhillO wrote: ↑Mon Nov 27, 2023 2:01 pm
gshaw wrote: ↑Sat Nov 25, 2023 4:21 pm

We have a good crosser in Archibald but our strikers are pretty hopeless in the air upfront. Where's Darius Henderson when you need him?
Can’t wait until we get rid of the players that are clearly not league 1 capable in the January transfer window, far too much dead wood . The club must have identified what players that are quality for league 1 and above they want in the transfer window, just pray that we get in early and stay well clear of sick notes already carrrying injuries.
And the money for this in January comes from ?

New investment to enable the club to get rid of the dead wood , league 2 players will not get us promoted.

Posted: **Mon Nov 27, 2023 8:37 pm**

It really is that easy

Posted: **Mon Nov 27, 2023 9:29 pm**

PoundhillO wrote: ↑Mon Nov 27, 2023 8:21 pm
B.whitehouse+10more wrote: ↑Mon Nov 27, 2023 2:13 pm
PoundhillO wrote: ↑Mon Nov 27, 2023 2:01 pm

Can’t wait until we get rid of the players that are clearly not league 1 capable in the January transfer window, far too much dead wood . The club must have identified what players that are quality for league 1 and above they want in the transfer window, just pray that we get in early and stay well clear of sick notes already carrrying injuries.
And the money for this in January comes from ?
New investment to enable the club to get rid of the dead wood , league 2 players will not get us promoted.

From where?

Posted: **Mon Nov 27, 2023 10:01 pm**

Top of the JES wrote: ↑Mon Nov 27, 2023 7:12 pm
Hoover Attack wrote: ↑Mon Nov 27, 2023 6:55 pm Still can’t believe we spunked the £300k from Hector on Moncs less than 18 months ago. Insanity.

Drinnan is absolutely fine as cover, can play multiple forward positions. I do t see him going anywhere.
TBF he played his part last season but his fitness went towards the end and he has not looked anywhere near fit this season and
Has become a liability.

Yeah money well spent for some vital moments of quality, that goal against Wimbledon at home arguably the most critical moment of the season but oft overlooked.

I thought Moncur looked in his best shape in the last couple of games. Seemed lean and had more running on him than most of the season. Was hoping he'd carry that into League 1 but really seemed to let himself go over summer.

Posted: **Mon Nov 27, 2023 10:41 pm**

Hoover Attack wrote: ↑Mon Nov 27, 2023 6:55 pm Still can’t believe we spunked the £300k from Hector on Moncs less than 18 months ago. Insanity.

Drinnan is absolutely fine as cover, can play multiple forward positions. I do t see him going anywhere.

The trouble is Drinan cannot play, period. He just can't play. He can't trap a ball, he can't run with the ball, he can't pass more than 3 years,...... He can't play

Posted: **Mon Nov 27, 2023 11:21 pm**

ComeOnYouOs wrote: ↑Mon Nov 27, 2023 10:41 pm
Hoover Attack wrote: ↑Mon Nov 27, 2023 6:55 pm Still can’t believe we spunked the £300k from Hector on Moncs less than 18 months ago. Insanity.

Drinnan is absolutely fine as cover, can play multiple forward positions. I do t see him going anywhere.
The trouble is Drinan cannot play, period. He just can't play. He can't trap a ball, he can't run with the ball, he can't pass more than 3 years,...... He can't play

And there lays the problem because he's better than Pigott .

Posted: **Mon Nov 27, 2023 11:30 pm**

PoundhillO wrote: ↑Mon Nov 27, 2023 8:21 pm
B.whitehouse+10more wrote: ↑Mon Nov 27, 2023 2:13 pm
PoundhillO wrote: ↑Mon Nov 27, 2023 2:01 pm

Can’t wait until we get rid of the players that are clearly not league 1 capable in the January transfer window, far too much dead wood . The club must have identified what players that are quality for league 1 and above they want in the transfer window, just pray that we get in early and stay well clear of sick notes already carrrying injuries.
And the money for this in January comes from ?
New investment to enable the club to get rid of the dead wood , league 2 players will not get us promoted.

How does new investment get around FFP Rules ?

Posted: **Tue Nov 28, 2023 6:10 am**

Top of the JES wrote: ↑Mon Nov 27, 2023 7:12 pm
Hoover Attack wrote: ↑Mon Nov 27, 2023 6:55 pm Still can’t believe we spunked the £300k from Hector on Moncs less than 18 months ago. Insanity.

Drinnan is absolutely fine as cover, can play multiple forward positions. I do t see him going anywhere.
TBF he played his part last season but his fitness went towards the end and he has not looked anywhere near fit this season and
Has become a liability.

I think Drinan peaked the season before last away at Swindon, 10 men but three points. Since then …. sorry but no.

Posted: **Tue Nov 28, 2023 11:44 am**

Joe315 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 27, 2023 11:30 pm
PoundhillO wrote: ↑Mon Nov 27, 2023 8:21 pm
B.whitehouse+10more wrote: ↑Mon Nov 27, 2023 2:13 pm

And the money for this in January comes from ?
New investment to enable the club to get rid of the dead wood , league 2 players will not get us promoted.
How does new investment get around FFP Rules ?

Surely we can’t have spent much this year ? Moncs was eighteen months ago and we had the money in from Hector.

Posted: **Tue Nov 28, 2023 12:00 pm**

PoundhillO wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2023 11:44 am [quote=Joe315 post_id=354875 time=<a href="tel:1701127859">1701127859</a> user_id=1507]
[quote=PoundhillO post_id=354865 time=<a href="tel:1701116477">1701116477</a> user_id=208]
[quote=B.whitehouse+10more post_id=354813 time=<a href="tel:1701094384">1701094384</a> user_id=138]

And the money for this in January comes from ?

New investment to enable the club to get rid of the dead wood , league 2 players will not get us promoted.
[/quote]

How does new investment get around FFP Rules ?
[/quote]

Surely we can’t have spent much this year ?
[/quote]

Income should be higher due to the increased crowds this season but whether it’s enough to make large investments that some fans want, who knows
Players like Drinan or Moncur can’t be offloaded as easy as that unless we pay their contracts, so in Moncs’ case we could be stuck with him for another 18 months.

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