New O's Jewish Supporters Group

[Daily Express bot]

I am fairly sure you do not have to be LGBT to be a supporter of LGBT supporters group . These groups collectively can give individuals comfort and knowledge that they are not alone. I often go to matches alone these days . I am indifferent had I had the choice to go with others but some I expect prefer company. The comments on here about ‘we are of LO fans together’ and implying we are all harmonious made me laugh, especially when thinking of some of the hostile comments on the board at times together with some heated exchanges I have witnessed between our fans at the ground over the years and local pubs. Not entirely hunky dory!

I'm not sure what point you are making. Whilst we can all agree that the O's are without doubt the finest football team anywhere, it doesn't mean we can't have different opinions about other things, and express those opinions passionately.

As for not having to be LGBT to be a 'supporter' of an LGBT supporters group - are you suggesting that you don't have to be LGBT to be a member of the group, because I wouldn't be at all surprised if it was a requirement that you are LGBT to be in their group, otherwise it isn't really an LGBT group, it's just a group. Perhaps I have misunderstood you and you are saying anyone can 'support' the LGBT supporters group, but that is fairly obvious and doesn't really need pointing out.

You dont have to be LBGTQ or Jewish Or Irish or Black or Punjabi or White English or indeed Muslim or even Male to be a Leyton Orient fan.

Just want the money?

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I suggested that ‘just want the money’ would be a good end to your anecdote ?

[CEB]

Going back to CEB's earlier question, in hindsight I'd accept that "thrown" was probably a loaded term. I still think the description fits but there's some inherent bias there and is the kind of phrase used by people on the right when they moan about 'the race card' etc. Should probably just have stuck to "accuse".

Thanks for the follow up post - that’s what I was getting at with my question.

The only thing I would say is that I reckon it’s probably fairer - and more credible & honest - to either expand on why you think a bad faith accusation is bad faith (eg, by actually summarising the nature of the accusations and why they’re not reasonable) or to not go into the accusations at all. Because it’s not just that “thrown” was a loaded term, it’s that you mentioned the accusations of anti-semitism in a context that seemed to not consider the possibility that the accusations could be made in good faith, or that actual antisemitism occurred

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I suggested that ‘just want the money’ would be a good anecdote for your contribution

Nobody told me to Choose Orient & I was Never offered any Money to follow Orient .

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I suggested that ‘just want the money’ would be a good end to your anecdote ?

Nobody told me to Choose Orient & I was Never offered any Money to follow Orient .

[Proposition Joe]

Going back to CEB's earlier question, in hindsight I'd accept that "thrown" was probably a loaded term. I still think the description fits but there's some inherent bias there and is the kind of phrase used by people on the right when they moan about 'the race card' etc. Should probably just have stuck to "accuse".

Thanks for the follow up post - that’s what I was getting at with my question.

The only thing I would say is that I reckon it’s probably fairer - and more credible & honest - to either expand on why you think a bad faith accusation is bad faith (eg, by actually summarising the nature of the accusations and why they’re not reasonable) or to not go into the accusations at all. Because it’s not just that “thrown” was a loaded term, it’s that you mentioned the accusations of anti-semitism in a context that seemed to not consider the possibility that the accusations could be made in good faith, or that actual antisemitism occurred

Fair enough. For a start I'd suggest that saying everyone attending a one of the peace marches was a "a racist...monstrous antisemite" who wants all Jews dead was unlikely to come from a position of particularly good faith.

[CEB]

Agreed. I just think that in polarised discourse, these specifics matter, and that being specific and avoiding dismissiveness on divisive issues is always better. “One of the founders has accused everyone attending the peace march of being antisemitic” articulates a valid concern; “one of the founders throws out accusations of antisemitism” does come over as if accusing people of antisemitism is self evidently problematic

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Going back to CEB's earlier question, in hindsight I'd accept that "thrown" was probably a loaded term. I still think the description fits but there's some inherent bias there and is the kind of phrase used by people on the right when they moan about 'the race card' etc. Should probably just have stuck to "accuse".

Thanks for the follow up post - that’s what I was getting at with my question.

The only thing I would say is that I reckon it’s probably fairer - and more credible & honest - to either expand on why you think a bad faith accusation is bad faith (eg, by actually summarising the nature of the accusations and why they’re not reasonable) or to not go into the accusations at all. Because it’s not just that “thrown” was a loaded term, it’s that you mentioned the accusations of anti-semitism in a context that seemed to not consider the possibility that the accusations could be made in good faith, or that actual antisemitism occurred

Fair enough. For a start I'd suggest that saying everyone attending a one of the peace marches was a "a racist...monstrous antisemite" who wants all Jews dead was unlikely to come from a position of particularly good faith.

Someone really stated that on social media ?

[Proposition Joe]

Agreed. I just think that in polarised discourse, these specifics matter, and that being specific and avoiding dismissiveness on divisive issues is always better. “One of the founders has accused everyone attending the peace march of being antisemitic” articulates a valid concern; “one of the founders throws out accusations of antisemitism” does come over as if accusing people of antisemitism is self evidently problematic

Fair and point taken.

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I suggested that ‘just want the money’ would be a good end to your anecdote ?

Nobody told me to Choose Orient & I was Never offered any Money to follow Orient .

No doubt you wasn’t, you do not get vetted to buy tickets, the club needs the money and it is ‘bums on seats’ that pays the bills. I sometimes wonder why the club don’t offer the tickets out cheaper for certain low demand games like the first round FA cup the other week.

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I suggested that ‘just want the money’ would be a good end to your anecdote ?

Nobody told me to Choose Orient & I was Never offered any Money to follow Orient .

No doubt you wasn’t, you do not get vetted to buy tickets, the club needs the money and it is ‘bums on seats’ that pays the bills. I sometimes wonder why the club don’t offer the tickets out cheaper for certain low demand games like the first round FA cup the other week.

Why are you talking rubbish ?

[Daily Express bot]

Nobody told me to Choose Orient & I was Never offered any Money to follow Orient .

No doubt you wasn’t, you do not get vetted to buy tickets, the club needs the money and it is ‘bums on seats’ that pays the bills. I sometimes wonder why the club don’t offer the tickets out cheaper for certain low demand games like the first round FA cup the other week.

Why are you talking rubbish ?

Why am I talking rubbish?

[Stowaway]

As for not having to be LGBT to be a 'supporter' of an LGBT supporters group - are you suggesting that you don't have to be LGBT to be a member of the group, because I wouldn't be at all surprised if it was a requirement that you are LGBT to be in their group, otherwise it isn't really an LGBT group, it's just a group. Perhaps I have misunderstood you and you are saying anyone can 'support' the LGBT supporters group, but that is fairly obvious and doesn't really need pointing out.

Is there an entrance exam, then?

Rear entrance exam, surely?

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As for not having to be LGBT to be a 'supporter' of an LGBT supporters group - are you suggesting that you don't have to be LGBT to be a member of the group, because I wouldn't be at all surprised if it was a requirement that you are LGBT to be in their group, otherwise it isn't really an LGBT group, it's just a group. Perhaps I have misunderstood you and you are saying anyone can 'support' the LGBT supporters group, but that is fairly obvious and doesn't really need pointing out.

Is there an entrance exam, then?

Rear entrance exam, surely?

Are you fuc*ing sure?

[Dunners]

Is there an entrance exam, then?

Rear entrance exam, surely?

Are you fuc*ing sure?

Not if you use lubricant.

[CEB]

Good luck on having criteria for membership to an “LGBT” group. For a start you’ve already missed out a few letters

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No doubt you wasn’t, you do not get vetted to buy tickets, the club needs the money and it is ‘bums on seats’ that pays the bills. I sometimes wonder why the club don’t offer the tickets out cheaper for certain low demand games like the first round FA cup the other week.

Why are you talking rubbish ?

Why am I talking rubbish?

I don't know

[Reflecto]

In the grand scheme of being an O's supporter, I'm not sure supporters groups make any difference (other than perhaps making members feel a "double sense of belonging"). Come every Saturday at 5 pm - every O's fan (irrespective of any imaginable sub division of the human race) will be either elated, happy with a draw or feeling thoroughly depressed! That's what's great about the O's Family

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Why are you talking rubbish ?

Why am I talking rubbish?

I don't know

Neither do I

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Why am I talking rubbish?

I don't know

Neither do I

Stop doing it then.

[CEB]

In the grand scheme of being an O's supporter, I'm not sure supporters groups make any difference (other than perhaps making members feel a "double sense of belonging"). Come every Saturday at 5 pm - every O's fan (irrespective of any imaginable sub division of the human race) will be either elated, happy with a draw or feeling thoroughly depressed! That's what's great about the O's Family

Out of interest, which members of which supporters groups have you spoken to in order to gauge whether they have any positive experiences of engaging in groups with fans who have other common interests?

[LittleMate]

So what happens if someone goes and forms an Arab or Muslim supporters group? Given the area we are situated in, we are trying to appeal to these sections of our society as they are probably under-represented at our club specifically and in football generally. Surely creating groups of people that have very differing life views outside of their admiration for Orient can only bring harm to the harmony that's this club today. Why not form political party supporting groups? I thought going to the ground with a common purpose rather than a segmented one was a large part of being a football fan...

[Proposition Joe]

Why are people apparently of the opinion that members of LGBT, Punjabi or Jewish fan groups will, from now on, only speak to and sit with people who are also in their group when at Brisbane Road? What on Earth are you basing this on?