I’m in favour of me being subject to the same due process as everyone else, yes.
Dearie me, is this the level now?
Is this the level ?
Youve managed to drag it this far ,
thought I'd give it another little nudge for you.
Re: Well, That Will Give Her Some Relief!
Posted: Wed Mar 08, 2023 1:27 pm
by CEB
What an odd post
Re: Well, That Will Give Her Some Relief!
Posted: Wed Mar 08, 2023 1:38 pm
by tuffers#1
Nothing odd about it. You answered a question that youd happily be Incarcirated for something you didnt do & then asked if this was the level we reached ? Why you got arsie is not my problem .
Re: Well, That Will Give Her Some Relief!
Posted: Wed Mar 08, 2023 1:39 pm
by CEB
I didn’t say I’d be happy about it. I said that I believe due process should apply to me too, and I should be prepared to accept that principle if I advocate for it.
It’s the system we have. Do you not agree with it?
Re: Well, That Will Give Her Some Relief!
Posted: Wed Mar 08, 2023 1:48 pm
by tuffers#1
Shows the System is fundamentally wrong then eh. People Accepting Injustice as a meh , oh well moment .
Re: Well, That Will Give Her Some Relief!
Posted: Wed Mar 08, 2023 1:52 pm
by CEB
What is fundamentally flawed about the idea of people being held in prison while
*suspected/charged of a crime
*during an appeal process
*after conviction beyond reasonable doubt but with less than Caca’s “100% proven” bar met
?
Re: Well, That Will Give Her Some Relief!
Posted: Wed Mar 08, 2023 1:57 pm
by Long slender neck
I think what I'd be worried about is government abusing the power.
I guess the problem is not all people found 'guilty' have the same level of evidence proving it. I think the legal system would have to come up with some criteria to be met, in order to use the death penalty.
Re: Well, That Will Give Her Some Relief!
Posted: Wed Mar 08, 2023 1:58 pm
by CEB
Do you think?
Re: Well, That Will Give Her Some Relief!
Posted: Wed Mar 08, 2023 2:00 pm
by Long slender neck
So if they had a level such as:
There has to be forensic evidence
There has to be video evidence
There has to be a witness
You'd still have a problem with it?
Re: Well, That Will Give Her Some Relief!
Posted: Wed Mar 08, 2023 2:00 pm
by tuffers#1
CEB wrote: ↑Wed Mar 08, 2023 1:52 pm
What is fundamentally flawed about the idea of people being held in prison while
*suspected/charged of a crime
*during an appeal process
*after conviction beyond reasonable doubt but with less than Caca’s “100% proven” bar met
CEB wrote: ↑Wed Mar 08, 2023 1:52 pm
What is fundamentally flawed about the idea of people being held in prison while
*suspected/charged of a crime
*during an appeal process
*after conviction beyond reasonable doubt but with less than Caca’s “100% proven” bar met
CEB wrote: ↑Wed Mar 08, 2023 1:52 pm
What is fundamentally flawed about the idea of people being held in prison while
*suspected/charged of a crime
*during an appeal process
*after conviction beyond reasonable doubt but with less than Caca’s “100% proven” bar met
I deduce that because a miscarriage of justice is not self evidently a reason to abandon prison, is it?
Re: Well, That Will Give Her Some Relief!
Posted: Wed Mar 08, 2023 2:35 pm
by tuffers#1
CEB wrote: ↑Wed Mar 08, 2023 2:28 pm
I deduce that because a miscarriage of justice is not self evidently a reason to abandon prison, is it?
It is if its based on a much flawed Judicial service !
Re: Well, That Will Give Her Some Relief!
Posted: Wed Mar 08, 2023 3:07 pm
by Admin
Proposition Joe wrote: ↑Wed Mar 08, 2023 12:37 pm
Me, stuck in a Post Office queue: "well, guess I'll never get this time back, may as well end it all".
Long slender neck wrote: ↑Wed Mar 08, 2023 2:00 pm
So if they had a level such as:
There has to be forensic evidence
There has to be video evidence
There has to be a witness
You'd still have a problem with it?
First used in 1938
First known use was in 1938
Birmingham 6 Maguire especially Guiseppie Conlon Judith Ward etc all had that criteria passed , & All was Wrong
Did they? Prove it. Are you sure there was video evidence in 1974?
Re: Well, That Will Give Her Some Relief!
Posted: Wed Mar 08, 2023 3:12 pm
by Proposition Joe
Have to say I'm slightly surprised that we've gone from a majority seeming to agree that "the death penalty is bad" to tuffers arguing that there should be no penal system whatsoever.
Birmingham 6 Maguire especially Guiseppie Conlon Judith Ward etc all had that criteria passed , & All was Wrong
Did they? Prove it. Are you sure there was video evidence in 1974?
First used in 1938
Re: Well, That Will Give Her Some Relief!
Posted: Wed Mar 08, 2023 3:15 pm
by tuffers#1
Proposition Joe wrote: ↑Wed Mar 08, 2023 3:12 pm
Have to say I'm slightly surprised that we've gone from a majority seeming to agree that "the death penalty is bad" to tuffers arguing that there should be no penal system whatsoever.
