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TRUMP Plumbing wrote: ↑Thu Dec 08, 2022 2:17 pmOk. Yes, it's a bit of that and a bit of Corbyn.Long slender neck wrote: ↑Thu Dec 08, 2022 2:01 pm Its not caused by the energy crisis/ukraine war then?
I don't disagree Max that its the wealthy that should be paying more, someone has to.Max B Gold wrote: ↑Thu Dec 08, 2022 3:47 pmHmm. Doesn't really explain the accumulation of wealth by greedy capitalists at the cost of eroding the purchasing power of workers. Giving rise to unprecedented inequality. Seems like the "someone somewhere" losing out is the worker. Not the billionaires.Chelmsford Swimmer wrote: ↑Thu Dec 08, 2022 3:18 pmWhen external costs go up, there is less to go around, and someone somewhere has to pay. Its simple economics. We could of course borrow more, most peoples solution to everything, but not a popular solution when the necessary austerity follows.
The 2022 bus company will also be shifting all those lovely profits abroad via interest payments to off shore holding companies and paying no tax in the UK.Dunners wrote: ↑Thu Dec 08, 2022 2:59 pmWage increases have tracked below inflation and asset price increases for decades. The recent inflationary spike is caused in a large part by external factors beyond our control, but it is waking people up from the 30-year slumber. So any wage increases now must not only be viewed against the current 11.1% CPI figure (14.2% RPI), but also against this 30-year lag.Long slender neck wrote: ↑Thu Dec 08, 2022 2:47 pmAre you saying that business is passing on more than their increased energy and material costs to consumers?
The bus drivers who recently won their battle for 11% wage increases are still worse off than a bus driver in 1982. The 1982 bus driver could have supported a family of four on their salary, bought a house, had one holiday a year and owned a car. The 2022 bus driver is unlikely to be able to do any of that if they're the sole earner.
The 1982 bus company would not have been as profitable, but it managed. The 2022 bus company will be part of a multi-national corporation that has sought every option to maximise profits and will not give a stuff if their 2022 bus driver has had reason to acquaint themselves with the local food bank.
I'm not suggesting we go back to 1982, but there needs to be some recalibration so that we claw back some of that wealth that was accessible to ordinary people then.
But if external costs are going up, someone somewhere is being paid more for whatever it is being bought. It’s simple economics.Chelmsford Swimmer wrote: ↑Thu Dec 08, 2022 3:18 pmWhen external costs go up, there is less to go around, and someone somewhere has to pay. Its simple economics.TRUMP Plumbing wrote: ↑Thu Dec 08, 2022 12:11 pmNo it doesn't.Chelmsford Swimmer wrote: ↑Wed Dec 07, 2022 6:02 pm somebodies standard of living has to drop somewhere.
Oh I dunno - other Countries seem to manage public transport better than we do.TRUMP Plumbing wrote: ↑Thu Dec 08, 2022 5:33 pmThe 2022 bus company will also be shifting all those lovely profits abroad via interest payments to off shore holding companies and paying no tax in the UK.Dunners wrote: ↑Thu Dec 08, 2022 2:59 pmWage increases have tracked below inflation and asset price increases for decades. The recent inflationary spike is caused in a large part by external factors beyond our control, but it is waking people up from the 30-year slumber. So any wage increases now must not only be viewed against the current 11.1% CPI figure (14.2% RPI), but also against this 30-year lag.Long slender neck wrote: ↑Thu Dec 08, 2022 2:47 pm
Are you saying that business is passing on more than their increased energy and material costs to consumers?
The bus drivers who recently won their battle for 11% wage increases are still worse off than a bus driver in 1982. The 1982 bus driver could have supported a family of four on their salary, bought a house, had one holiday a year and owned a car. The 2022 bus driver is unlikely to be able to do any of that if they're the sole earner.
The 1982 bus company would not have been as profitable, but it managed. The 2022 bus company will be part of a multi-national corporation that has sought every option to maximise profits and will not give a stuff if their 2022 bus driver has had reason to acquaint themselves with the local food bank.
I'm not suggesting we go back to 1982, but there needs to be some recalibration so that we claw back some of that wealth that was accessible to ordinary people then.
The whole thing is f*cking f*cked.
But, as we all know by now, the tragedy is there is no other way.
Can't they send the Army in to beat the glorified nurses up and force them back into work?whittle76 wrote: ↑Thu Dec 08, 2022 9:21 pm Sunak telling the Army to cover for striking paramedics when they were hoping to have some time off over Christmas has peed them off, that their wages are so low.
We had a Government Minister on LBC this morning saying the military can't go strike. So appears this rotten Government want to use them, to defeat NHS workers, knowing they can't refuse to do this work.
I was at Parliament square today with over 17,000 of my postal colleagues . One of the speakers was Mick Lynch . He made a great speech and if that man was leader of the Labour Party then Labour would walk the next election . The Unions are not the problem , it's the greedy bastards at the top .TRUMP Plumbing wrote: ↑Wed Dec 07, 2022 12:07 pm Mick Lynch and all the other union Barons have a lot to answer for, thinking they can hold the country to ransom.
If he was leader of the Labour Party, you’d like the Labour Party more. That doesn’t translate to “walking the next election” - the Labour Party are likely to walk the next election for the reason that the leader doesn’t have a big appeal to a low number of people, but enough of an appeal to enough of the electorate. Boring, but that’s how it isRedDwarf 1881 wrote: ↑Fri Dec 09, 2022 11:06 pmI was at Parliament square today with over 17,000 of my postal colleagues . One of the speakers was Mick Lynch . He made a great speech and if that man was leader of the Labour Party then Labour would walk the next election . The Unions are not the problem , it's the greedy bastards at the top .TRUMP Plumbing wrote: ↑Wed Dec 07, 2022 12:07 pm Mick Lynch and all the other union Barons have a lot to answer for, thinking they can hold the country to ransom.
They've already tried that with Mick but, unlike a certain other political figure you may be thinking of, he was more effective at knocking them back. We even have a whole thread on here dedicated to it.TRUMP Plumbing wrote: ↑Sat Dec 10, 2022 9:03 am If he was leader of the Labour Party, we’d have another campaign of lies against him, informing us of his terrorist ties and commie credentials, attacks on his family etc.
For some reason, the current leader of the Labour Party seems to escape all that…
I hadn’t mentioned anyone.Dunners wrote: ↑Sat Dec 10, 2022 9:47 amThey've already tried that with Mick but, unlike a certain other political figure you may be thinking of, he was more effective at knocking them back. We even have a whole thread on here dedicated to it.TRUMP Plumbing wrote: ↑Sat Dec 10, 2022 9:03 am If he was leader of the Labour Party, we’d have another campaign of lies against him, informing us of his terrorist ties and commie credentials, attacks on his family etc.
For some reason, the current leader of the Labour Party seems to escape all that…
Don’t quote me on this but they will possibly throw some of the following at Union Baron Mick Lynch:Long slender neck wrote: ↑Sat Dec 10, 2022 10:24 am So what is likely to happen over the next few months?
Shame he voted Brexit, which will make those at the TOP piles of doh !RedDwarf 1881 wrote: ↑Fri Dec 09, 2022 11:06 pmI was at Parliament square today with over 17,000 of my postal colleagues . One of the speakers was Mick Lynch . He made a great speech and if that man was leader of the Labour Party then Labour would walk the next election . The Unions are not the problem , it's the greedy bastards at the top .TRUMP Plumbing wrote: ↑Wed Dec 07, 2022 12:07 pm Mick Lynch and all the other union Barons have a lot to answer for, thinking they can hold the country to ransom.