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Prestige Worldwide wrote: ↑Thu Nov 26, 2020 9:30 pm

Destroying our lives for slightly above average deaths.

Where's the comparison to "average deaths"? Isn't that average line just the 7 day average of the covid deaths?

I thought we were way over "average deaths" over the last several months.



.....or are you just doing schtick and I've fallen for it ?

Here's the chart for excess deaths. It looks a bit more than slightly above average.

StillSpike wrote: ↑Thu Nov 26, 2020 9:41 pm Here's the chart for excess deaths. It looks a bit more than slightly above average.

A much better Chart Spike .

Prestige Worldwide wrote: ↑Thu Nov 26, 2020 9:30 pm

Destroying our lives for slightly above average deaths.

Destroying ?

An OVER-REACTION if ever I've heard one .

Meanwhile 1.4 Million + worldwide are now dead .
I'd call that destorying lives .

It appears I have misinterpreted the graph. Apologies.

The damage is already done, so we may as well continue farting around for a further six months.

That sounds REALLY BAD tuffeinstein, although 60 million people die every year.

Prestige Worldwide wrote: ↑Thu Nov 26, 2020 11:57 pm It appears I have misinterpreted the graph. Apologies.

The damage is already done, so we may as well continue farting around for a further six months.

Blimey - you're having a mare on this one, aren't you? You've misinterpreted the graph on this page, so that " we're only slightly above average deaths", on page 192 you missed the fact that the daily death numbers you were quoting didn't include those outside hospital, which meant you were insisting that actual deaths were somewhere about half of the reality.

I'm sure you're not deliberately trying to downplay or understate the problem, but your data interpretation isn't that great and both errors ended up giving your readers the mistaken impression that things weren't as bad as they actually are. Bad science !

Fake news indeed! We're over 200 pages and 9 months into this sh*t I am losing my marbles.

While someone genuinely clever is here, can you tell me what figure 35 here means? https://fingertips.phe.org.uk/static-re ... atest.html

In my defence, the word 'average' isn't particularly descriptive, and the excess deaths are nowhere near first wave levels.

I'll have a proper look tomorrow - I think it's just breaking out the white bars on the Excess Deaths (the "non-covid" excess deaths) into their underlying causes. Not 100% certain that's the case, but when I get some time tomorrow I'll try and vouch back the numbers on both charts - they're from the same source so they should marry up.

Prestige Worldwide wrote: ↑Fri Nov 27, 2020 12:28 am In my defence, the word 'average' isn't particularly descriptive, and the excess deaths are nowhere near first wave levels.

The filename sticker saying it was a slide from the press conference was also obscuring the full title of the "average" line.

https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulation ... ionengland

Covid deaths in care homes. Currently just within double figures daily.

LIB DEM SURGE!!

Prestige Worldwide wrote: ↑Fri Nov 27, 2020 12:00 am That sounds REALLY BAD tuffeinstein, although 60 million people die every year.

61.4 & counting this year Mood-erator &
most of that everybody has been locked up.

Imagine how many if we had just carried on as normal

I am in tier 2 but the lakes i fish in are in tier 1 , can i visit them next week to fish .

No

A caller with an interest in hospitality on Five live this morning made a good point regarding pub/restaurant openings.
His view was that rather than 30 people mixing indoors at Xmas , surely it would be better to allow them into Covid safe pubs and restaurants where their behaviour can be better monitored and controlled.
That does sound a more sensible option. Keep hospitality going and protect people from the fall out that will now surely follow In January.

George wrote: ↑Fri Nov 27, 2020 4:42 pm A caller with an interest in hospitality on Five live this morning made a good point regarding pub/restaurant openings.
His view was that rather than 30 people mixing indoors at Xmas , surely it would be better to allow them into Covid safe pubs and restaurants where their behaviour can be better monitored and controlled.
That does sound a more sensible option. Keep hospitality going and protect people from the fall out that will now surely follow In January.

How would it be monitored and controlled? Landlords desperately need the trade, they aint kicking people out and you also have mixed households and bubbles mixing under one roof.

And what if you're not an alcoholic who spends Christmas down the pub?

By monitoring he meant that they already have restrictions in place , so 6 people from the same family. They also have Covid protocol in place.
Surely that’s better than a free for all at home

George wrote: ↑Fri Nov 27, 2020 5:09 pm By monitoring he meant that they already have restrictions in place , so 6 people from the same family. They also have Covid protocol in place.
Surely that’s better than a free for all at home

Presumably, however, the people who want a free for all won't go to the pub in that case, precisely because they've got Covid protocols in place.

(or they'll go to the pub first and then all head round someone's house for the after party, inviting along any strangers they meet in the pub)

Still spike. No because had he allowed pubs / restaurants to do that , Boris could have kept the stricter house numbers in place. So no household mixing.
Perhaps I didn’t explain it well enough

But he wouldn't, would he? He's obsessed with being popular and being "the man who saved Christmas" - so he's not going to say "no household mixing" (regardless of how impossible that would be to police).

Publicans arguing that pubs are the best place to be open is not surprising - I've spend my career in the hospitality industry, and I have a huge amount of sympathy with them. I well remember making the argument that we should be allowed to open in the afternoon (yes, I AM that old) because "supervised drinking in a licensed establishment was safer that people doing it at home". That's what we said - what we meant was, we want the sales.

I am all for hospitality making money and staying afloat. I have no issue with that.
But most scientists I have read since the announcement agree that cases will increase again as a result of the relaxation at Xmas. In America they believe Thanksgiving will result in thousands more deaths.
It’s just my opinion , but I think it makes plenty of sense to encourage people to pubs and restaurants rather than mixing at home.
I suppose we will find out in January