Labour Watch

[Dunners]

So the strategy is to just be tories?

How's that going for the tories right now?

Just fine. They'll have been in government for a decade and a half before Labour even gets a sniff.

[Dunners]

I should add - I have no idea if the current strategy will be successful, and I'm certainly no advocate for it. It comes with plenty of risk and could backfire on Labour. And, in some twisted way, it may be better for us all in the longer-term if it does.

[Max B Gold]

Yeah, I mean it’s gone past the point where I can say “at the very least it’ll be slightly better than the Tories” because for a lot of people it really won’t, and this time without the hope that it’ll get better.
There’s distancing yourself from the previous leader, then there’s this…

The thing I don’t really get is that they don’t really need to do a lot to get into power considering how the current lot have f*cked up. It’s possibly the only time in our lives where Labour have a bit of free rein to be a genuine alternative and still get traditional Tory votes. Instead they’ve gone the other way on a desperate craving for power and to keep donors and ceos happy. Bizarre state of politics we have now

You're not understanding what has happened. The LP is just another fraction of the ruling class and its role is to deliver for business. This is how it has been since before Blair.

The Cobyn interregnum was a chance for working people to experience some mild social democracy. It was ruthlessly put down not least by Labour MPs, Labour bureaucrats and other snakes.

[Max Fowler]

So the strategy is to just be tories?

How's that going for the tories right now?

Just fine. They'll have been in government for a decade and a half before Labour even gets a sniff.

I asked how is that going right now.

[Dunners]

So the strategy is to just be tories?

How's that going for the tories right now?

Just fine. They'll have been in government for a decade and a half before Labour even gets a sniff.

I asked how is that going right now.

Pretty dire, but some polls indicate that the gap is narrowing. And analysis of results in some of the target constituencies that Labour need to aim for suggests that gap is a lot narrower. The most credible projections right now are that Labour might achieve a minority government. If they're lucky and nothing goes wrong.

National snapshots are all well and good, but you cannot ignore the shy-Tory vote and that no party has ever come back from a defeat on the scale of the 2019 result and achieved a working majority at the following election. Despite everything, the 2025 election is still for the Tories to lose.

But if you feel a more radical manifesto and popular (centre) left policies would swing it right now, then maybe you're right. But some people, who study the numbers, have calculated that you're not.

Anyway, where you live it wont make any difference. I think your Tory MP won over half of the votes in both previous elections, so you can rest assured you'll be safe after the next one.

[Max B Gold]

Just fine. They'll have been in government for a decade and a half before Labour even gets a sniff.

I asked how is that going right now.

Pretty dire, but some polls indicate that the gap is narrowing. And analysis of results in some of the target constituencies that Labour need to aim for suggests that gap is a lot narrower. The most credible projections right now are that Labour might achieve a minority government. If they're lucky and nothing goes wrong.

National snapshots are all well and good, but you cannot ignore the shy-Tory vote and that no party has ever come back from a defeat on the scale of the 2019 result and achieved a working majority at the following election. Despite everything, the 2025 election is still for the Tories to lose.

But if you feel a more radical manifesto and popular (centre) left policies would swing it right now, then maybe you're right. But some people, who study the numbers, have calculated that you're not.

Anyway, where you live it wont make any difference. I think your Tory MP won over half of the votes in both previous elections, so you can rest assured you'll be safe after the next one.

Once again, the policies being pursued are not about winning an election. They are about neutering the working class on behalf of the ruling class and the boot licking Labour managerial class.

[faldO]

Labour MPs "seething with anger" says Jezza.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... ucy-powell

[Currywurst and Chips]

I mean this is landslide territory numbers. I get it though, he can’t be attacked on electability any more so the angle has to change for some

[Max B Gold]

Could even be the biggest landslide in history if they added a popular policy like removing the two child limit on benefits to reduce child poverty. But who am I to dictate to the Peoples Party.

[Currywurst and Chips]

Definitely a gap in the UK market for electability advice from socialists

[StillSpike]

The most credible projections right now are that Labour might achieve a minority government. If they're lucky and nothing goes wrong.

National snapshots are all well and good, but you cannot ignore the shy-Tory vote and that no party has ever come back from a defeat on the scale of the 2019 result and achieved a working majority at the following election. Despite everything, the 2025 election is still for the Tories to lose.

But if you feel a more radical manifesto and popular (centre) left policies would swing it right now, then maybe you're right. But some people, who study the numbers, have calculated that you're not.

Anyway, where you live it wont make any difference. I think your Tory MP won over half of the votes in both previous elections, so you can rest assured you'll be safe after the next one.

Assuming this turns out to be the case - who do they have to rely upon to be able to transact business? SNP would presumably insist upon another Indyref? LibDems another shot at PR ? Greens would presumable either insist on PR or tell them to GTF. I guess, since they seem to agree with the Tories on just about everything, they might just work together with them?

[Max B Gold]

The most credible projections right now are that Labour might achieve a minority government. If they're lucky and nothing goes wrong.

National snapshots are all well and good, but you cannot ignore the shy-Tory vote and that no party has ever come back from a defeat on the scale of the 2019 result and achieved a working majority at the following election. Despite everything, the 2025 election is still for the Tories to lose.

But if you feel a more radical manifesto and popular (centre) left policies would swing it right now, then maybe you're right. But some people, who study the numbers, have calculated that you're not.

Anyway, where you live it wont make any difference. I think your Tory MP won over half of the votes in both previous elections, so you can rest assured you'll be safe after the next one.

Assuming this turns out to be the case - who do they have to rely upon to be able to transact business? SNP would presumably insist upon another Indyref? LibDems another shot at PR ? Greens would presumable either insist on PR or tell them to GTF. I guess, since they seem to agree with the Tories on just about everything, they might just work together with them?

You deliberately left out the Ulsturrr Unionists who share the same love of the flag as Labour. A Union flag in the centre of every city, town, village and hamlet would seal the deal.

[Max B Gold]

Definitely a gap in the UK market for electability advice from socialists

[Currywurst and Chips]

She’d be a great business partner for the mooted Consultancy. Because even when you lose, like 2017, you can claim you’ve won

[Dunners]

The most credible projections right now are that Labour might achieve a minority government. If they're lucky and nothing goes wrong.

National snapshots are all well and good, but you cannot ignore the shy-Tory vote and that no party has ever come back from a defeat on the scale of the 2019 result and achieved a working majority at the following election. Despite everything, the 2025 election is still for the Tories to lose.

But if you feel a more radical manifesto and popular (centre) left policies would swing it right now, then maybe you're right. But some people, who study the numbers, have calculated that you're not.

Anyway, where you live it wont make any difference. I think your Tory MP won over half of the votes in both previous elections, so you can rest assured you'll be safe after the next one.

Assuming this turns out to be the case - who do they have to rely upon to be able to transact business? SNP would presumably insist upon another Indyref? LibDems another shot at PR ? Greens would presumable either insist on PR or tell them to GTF. I guess, since they seem to agree with the Tories on just about everything, they might just work together with them?

If that were to happen, I could see all parties foregoing any formal agreement and instead a confidence and supply arrangement on an ad hoc basis. It would be mesy and probably short-lived.

But those other parties would never get a better chance at pushing for some key wins. I'd imagine a PR type referendum would be more likely than a Scottish indyref. Hardly anyone will want that, even half the SNP.

[Max B Gold]

Hot off the press from my source close to the candidate in Selby.

The Starmer policy on the two kids benefit situation has gone down like a lead balloon. Campaign badly damaged but they expect to win by a few thousand.

[Friend or faux]

Max, keep me updated on how many votes the Maoists get in these bye-elections. Your mates are putting up quite a few candidates!

[FrankOFile]

Could even be the biggest landslide in history if they added a popular policy like removing the two child limit on benefits to reduce child poverty. But who am I to dictate to the Peoples Party.

Who is this Hebden fellow?

Max, please can you confirm if he has been to that hair replacement place like Michael Vaughan. Perhaps being follically challenged is causing him to become a tad unhinged.

[FrankOFile]

Hot off the press from my source close to the candidate in Selby.

The Starmer policy on the two kids benefit situation has gone down like a lead balloon. Campaign badly damaged but they expect to win by a few thousand.

They overturned a 20 000 majority.

[Max B Gold]

Hot off the press from my source close to the candidate in Selby.

The Starmer policy on the two kids benefit situation has gone down like a lead balloon. Campaign badly damaged but they expect to win by a few thousand.

They overturned a 20 000 majority.

No thanks to Starmer. My source tells me the New baby faced MP strongly opposes the two kid benefit cap. Starmer out. Mather for leader.

[ComeOnYouOs]

Labout failing to take Uxbridge, was down to one thing....ULEZ.
Its hated, and will cost Labour dearly in the next Mayoral Elections.
On paper this was the most certain seat the Tories would lose, but people made their feelings known.

[Max B Gold]

Labout failing to take Uxbridge, was down to one thing....ULEZ.
Its hated, and will cost Labour dearly in the next Mayoral Elections.
On paper this was the most certain seat the Tories would lose, but people made their feelings known.

May also have been down to leftists voting Green.

[Proposition Joe]

Labour front bench throwing Khan under the bus over Ulez from what I've seen, yet more rowing back on environmental policy.

[Dunners]

Labout failing to take Uxbridge, was down to one thing....ULEZ.
Its hated, and will cost Labour dearly in the next Mayoral Elections.
On paper this was the most certain seat the Tories would lose, but people made their feelings known.

May also have been down to leftists voting Green.

Yep. Tories won by 495 votes.

The Lib Dems, got 526 & Greens got 893. That's 1,419 votes that could have been used tactically. I wonder how happy those Lib Dem and Green voters will be feeling about the result?

However, 54% of voters just didn't bother. Labour should be worried by that level of apathy.

[Proposition Joe]

Labout failing to take Uxbridge, was down to one thing....ULEZ.
Its hated, and will cost Labour dearly in the next Mayoral Elections.
On paper this was the most certain seat the Tories would lose, but people made their feelings known.

May also have been down to leftists voting Green.

Yep. Tories won by 495 votes.

The Lib Dems, got 526 & Greens got 893. That's 1,419 votes that could have been used tactically. I wonder how happy those Lib Dem and Green voters will be feeling about the result?

However, 54% of voters just didn't bother. Labour should be worried by that level of apathy.

Only a 46% turnout? Jeez.