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To be honest, we live in a world of fake news and propaganda. Educated or not it’s sometimes difficult to work out who is telling the truth. OK, not too difficult when it’s politicians because you start from the assumption they are, bending the truth.
What is this sorcery? Philosophy from the School of w*nk?Dohnut wrote: ↑Mon Nov 09, 2020 3:32 pmTo be honest, we live in a world of fake news and propaganda. Educated or not it’s sometimes difficult to work out who is telling the truth. OK, not too difficult when it’s politicians because you start from the assumption they are, bending the truth.
And of course people see the truth they want to see. Hard to be truly objective. You know the sort of thing, you agree with it, then it’s true. If you don’t it’s a lie.
It says the trial sample size was 43k but towards the end it says that the results were based on the first 94 people to contract Covid. That seems to indicate that the "90% effective" headline has come from a base of less than 1k people which seems a ridiculously low sample size to be making such claims on.Digby Chicken Caesar wrote: ↑Mon Nov 09, 2020 12:10 pm Pfizer vaccine found to be 90% effective at stopping people getting the virus
http://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-p ... y-12128452
Not wanting to poo poo it as it's obviously really promising but questioning the sample size is a valid point when something like this needs to be nationally representative and the number of people in each demographic/age category will be small.
Probably whatever the experts say...which they did, a few weeks ago, and it was ignored.Prestige Worldwide wrote: ↑Tue Nov 10, 2020 11:01 pm At what point do you bring in a lockdown? How many infections or hospital admissions should trigger that?
Yes but good to put a number on it, so we know when to have the next lockdown.Apple Wumble wrote: ↑Wed Nov 11, 2020 4:12 amProbably whatever the experts say...which they did, a few weeks ago, and it was ignored.Prestige Worldwide wrote: ↑Tue Nov 10, 2020 11:01 pm At what point do you bring in a lockdown? How many infections or hospital admissions should trigger that?
I’m guessing the actual experts, the ones who were pushing for a break back at the end of September, do put a number on it.Prestige Worldwide wrote: ↑Wed Nov 11, 2020 9:19 amYes but good to put a number on it, so we know when to have the next lockdown.Apple Wumble wrote: ↑Wed Nov 11, 2020 4:12 amProbably whatever the experts say...which they did, a few weeks ago, and it was ignored.Prestige Worldwide wrote: ↑Tue Nov 10, 2020 11:01 pm At what point do you bring in a lockdown? How many infections or hospital admissions should trigger that?
They do - except their numbers are usually way off the mark and don't stand up to analysis or reality. Just read and listen, the numbers are there.Ronnie Hotdogs wrote: ↑Wed Nov 11, 2020 9:30 am
I’m guessing the actual experts, the ones who were pushing for a break back at the end of September, do put a number on it.
FYIRonnie Hotdogs wrote: ↑Wed Nov 11, 2020 9:30 amI’m guessing the actual experts, the ones who were pushing for a break back at the end of September, do put a number on it.Prestige Worldwide wrote: ↑Wed Nov 11, 2020 9:19 amYes but good to put a number on it, so we know when to have the next lockdown.Apple Wumble wrote: ↑Wed Nov 11, 2020 4:12 am
Probably whatever the experts say...which they did, a few weeks ago, and it was ignored.
The problem is Joe Public. They think it’s all some big conspiracy and won’t accept it until there’s 3-400 people dying a day.
Spot on.Ronnie Hotdogs wrote: ↑Wed Nov 11, 2020 9:30 am
The problem is Joe Public. They think it’s all some big conspiracy and won’t accept it until there’s 3-400 people dying a day.
So they're announcing 3-4-500 deaths per day, but there's only really 200 people dying a day? Ok, I've got it.Prestige Worldwide wrote: ↑Wed Nov 11, 2020 10:12 am Announced yesterday, not occurred. See above link to spreadsheet.
So it seems as if there's some sort of time lag between people dying and it being announced?Ronnie Hotdogs wrote: ↑Wed Nov 11, 2020 10:59 amSo they're announcing 3-4-500 deaths per day, but there's only really 200 people dying a day? Ok, I've got it.Prestige Worldwide wrote: ↑Wed Nov 11, 2020 10:12 am Announced yesterday, not occurred. See above link to spreadsheet.
