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Re: Coronavirus
Posted: Thu Nov 05, 2020 11:22 pm
by Still's Carenae
Smendrick Feaselberg wrote: ↑Thu Nov 05, 2020 8:03 pm
25k cases and 492 new deaths reported today. What should it have been according to the data model?
What we need to knew is the number of deaths from respiratory disease higher than normal. If not these figures cannot be true.
The mass testing means that there are many false positives, the government have not released the figures for the false positives. In normal circumstances this is around 2.8%, but with so many different tests, this may be significantly higher. Therefore even a 10% result, may be meaningless. Today's results showed only 8% positive, against 25-35% in April.
The October figures for respiratory disease were normal for the time of year. Hospitals are also normal in terms of numbers ill for this time of year.
The figures quoted in the lockdown speech were already superceded by the same group and Whiitty and Valliance had access to the updated model.
OFCOM has prevented media outlets from reporting differing views on covid. Even facebook and twitter take down anything that goes against government views.
So what is going on?
Re: Coronavirus
Posted: Fri Nov 06, 2020 1:25 am
by PoliticOs
What do you think is going on, please?
I appreciate everyone has a high passion, personal opinion on all of this - but i'm really tired of reading 'This doesn't all stack up' paragraphs followed by those five words at the bottom. What do you think is the reason?
Re: Coronavirus
Posted: Fri Nov 06, 2020 9:14 am
by tuffers#1
Why did they not release numbers yesterday .
492 dead, figure released wednesday .
No figure thursday .
Re: Coronavirus
Posted: Fri Nov 06, 2020 9:16 am
by Ronnie Hotdogs
tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Fri Nov 06, 2020 9:14 am
Why did they not release numbers yesterday .
492 dead, figure released wednesday .
No figure thursday .
I’ve seen the number online, was somewhere below 400 (highest number of deaths on a Thursday since May).
Re: Coronavirus
Posted: Fri Nov 06, 2020 9:16 am
by Ronnie Hotdogs
PoliticOs wrote: ↑Fri Nov 06, 2020 1:25 am
What do you think is going on, please?
I appreciate everyone has a high passion, personal opinion on all of this - but i'm really tired of reading 'This doesn't all stack up' paragraphs followed by those five words at the bottom. What do you think is the reason?
CONTROL
Re: Coronavirus
Posted: Fri Nov 06, 2020 9:27 am
by Long slender neck
INCOMPETENCE
Re: Coronavirus
Posted: Fri Nov 06, 2020 10:23 am
by tuffers#1
Ronnie Hotdogs wrote: ↑Fri Nov 06, 2020 9:16 am
tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Fri Nov 06, 2020 9:14 am
Why did they not release numbers yesterday .
492 dead, figure released wednesday .
No figure thursday .
I’ve seen the number online, was somewhere below 400 (highest number of deaths on a Thursday since May).
Yeah ive just seen that
Re: Coronavirus
Posted: Fri Nov 06, 2020 11:06 am
by Smendrick Feaselberg
tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Fri Nov 06, 2020 9:14 am
Why did they not release numbers yesterday .
492 dead, figure released wednesday .
No figure thursday .
Good spot. I thought the figures I'd quoted last night were the latest figures published on coronavirus.data.gov.uk, but obviously were a day out. Latest figures are just over 24k cases and 378 deaths,
Re: Coronavirus
Posted: Fri Nov 06, 2020 11:26 am
by tuffers#1
Meant to post his the other day but forgot.
Sweden going all out in there bid to curb the spread of covid ?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-54797112
Coronavirus: Sweden brings in rule of eight for diners amid spike in infections
Re: Coronavirus
Posted: Fri Nov 06, 2020 12:32 pm
by Currywurst and Chips
618,700 people had COVID in England last week according to the ONS
Re: Coronavirus
Posted: Fri Nov 06, 2020 4:04 pm
by Smendrick Feaselberg
The ONS survey suggests that the rate by which the virus is spreading is decreasing.
23k cases and 355 new deaths reported today. Second consecutive day that these have fallen.
Re: Coronavirus
Posted: Fri Nov 06, 2020 4:14 pm
by Long slender neck
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-54839359
They had the data for a month and didn't spot the errors? Why present deaths projections if it's hospital admissions that are most important?
Re: Coronavirus
Posted: Fri Nov 06, 2020 4:26 pm
by Mickys Bullock
Just 1 person in every 190,000 in UK (355 people) died 'With Covid' today.
1,600 died of other things - as they do every day.
And 68,000,000 of us are Locked Down.
Re: Coronavirus
Posted: Fri Nov 06, 2020 4:30 pm
by tuffers#1
Mickys Bullock wrote: ↑Fri Nov 06, 2020 4:26 pm
Just 1 person in every 190,000 in UK (355 people) died 'With Covid' today.
1,600 died of other things - as they do every day.
And 68,000,000 of us are Locked Down.
68 million are not locked down
Fake news
Re: Coronavirus
Posted: Fri Nov 06, 2020 4:31 pm
by faldO
It wasn't a question of spotting errors or even presenting something that the general public could reasonably be expected to understand. They knew exactly what they were presenting and defended it to the Select Committee on Weds.
To quote Theresa May:
It looks like "the figures have been chosen to support the policy rather than the policy being based on the figures".
Re: Coronavirus
Posted: Fri Nov 06, 2020 4:35 pm
by A Pedant
Mickys Bullock wrote: ↑Fri Nov 06, 2020 4:26 pm
Just 1 person in every 190,000 in UK (355 people) died 'With Covid' today.
1,600 died of other things - as they do every day.
And 68,000,000 of us are Locked Down.
What a strange mish-mash of statistics. Assuming that 1,600 number is right though, you don't think nearly 25% more deaths than an average day merits action?
Or if you want to present statistics as comparisons, almost exactly five times more people were reported in one day as having died following a Covid diagnosis yesterday than the 7/7 bombings in London - except the latter happened just once and the former is happening every day at the moment.
Re: Coronavirus
Posted: Fri Nov 06, 2020 4:57 pm
by Mickys Bullock
What a strange mish-mash of statistics. Assuming that 1,600 number is right though, you don't think nearly 25% more deaths than an average day merits action?
Could you provide your data on the 25% number please.
Re: Coronavirus
Posted: Fri Nov 06, 2020 4:58 pm
by Mickys Bullock
All cause mortality is at or below a five year average at this moment
Re: Coronavirus
Posted: Fri Nov 06, 2020 5:02 pm
by tuffers#1
Mickys Bullock wrote: ↑Fri Nov 06, 2020 4:57 pm
What a strange mish-mash of statistics. Assuming that 1,600 number is right though, you don't think nearly 25% more deaths than an average day merits action?
Could you provide your data on the 25% number please.
He did .
Just like you did on here
You wrote some numbers on a post.
So did he .
Maybe you should provide a reputable source , then ask for the same from him or others
Re: Coronavirus
Posted: Fri Nov 06, 2020 5:03 pm
by tuffers#1
Mickys Bullock wrote: ↑Fri Nov 06, 2020 4:26 pm
Just 1 person in every 190,000 in UK (355 people) died 'With Covid' today.
1,600 died of other things - as they do every day.
And 68,000,000 of us are Locked Down.
See just some numbers .
Re: Coronavirus
Posted: Fri Nov 06, 2020 5:11 pm
by A Pedant
Mickys Bullock wrote: ↑Fri Nov 06, 2020 4:57 pm
What a strange mish-mash of statistics. Assuming that 1,600 number is right though, you don't think nearly 25% more deaths than an average day merits action?
Could you provide your data on the 25% number please.
Er, it's your data. You said "1,600 died of other things - as they do every day" - if you're questioning your own data then fine, all I did was a bit of basic mathematics (355 is just under a quarter of 1,600).
Re: Coronavirus
Posted: Fri Nov 06, 2020 5:12 pm
by A Pedant
tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Fri Nov 06, 2020 5:02 pm
Mickys Bullock wrote: ↑Fri Nov 06, 2020 4:57 pm
What a strange mish-mash of statistics. Assuming that 1,600 number is right though, you don't think nearly 25% more deaths than an average day merits action?
Could you provide your data on the 25% number please.
He did .
Just like you did on here
You wrote some numbers on a post.
So did he .
Maybe you should provide a reputable source , then ask for the same from him or others
To be fair to me, I did some maths on his numbers
then wrote them.
Re: Coronavirus
Posted: Fri Nov 06, 2020 5:12 pm
by Thor
Still's Carenae wrote: ↑Thu Nov 05, 2020 11:22 pm
Smendrick Feaselberg wrote: ↑Thu Nov 05, 2020 8:03 pm
25k cases and 492 new deaths reported today. What should it have been according to the data model?
What we need to knew is the number of deaths from respiratory disease higher than normal. If not these figures cannot be true.
The mass testing means that there are many false positives, the government have not released the figures for the false positives. In normal circumstances this is around 2.8%, but with so many different tests, this may be significantly higher. Therefore even a 10% result, may be meaningless. Today's results showed only 8% positive, against 25-35% in April.
The October figures for respiratory disease were normal for the time of year. Hospitals are also normal in terms of numbers ill for this time of year.
The figures quoted in the lockdown speech were already superceded by the same group and Whiitty and Valliance had access to the updated model.
OFCOM has prevented media outlets from reporting differing views on covid. Even facebook and twitter take down anything that goes against government views.
So what is going on?
Someone is starting to awaken. Keep looking the answers are there.
Re: Coronavirus
Posted: Fri Nov 06, 2020 5:16 pm
by A Pedant
Thor wrote: ↑Fri Nov 06, 2020 5:12 pm
Someone is starting to awaken. Keep looking the answers are there.
Oh joy, Mystic Thor's put his tinfoil hat back on again.
Re: Coronavirus
Posted: Fri Nov 06, 2020 5:18 pm
by tuffers#1
Thor wrote: ↑Fri Nov 06, 2020 5:12 pm
Still's Carenae wrote: ↑Thu Nov 05, 2020 11:22 pm
Smendrick Feaselberg wrote: ↑Thu Nov 05, 2020 8:03 pm
25k cases and 492 new deaths reported today. What should it have been according to the data model?
What we need to knew is the number of deaths from respiratory disease higher than normal. If not these figures cannot be true.
The mass testing means that there are many false positives, the government have not released the figures for the false positives. In normal circumstances this is around 2.8%, but with so many different tests, this may be significantly higher. Therefore even a 10% result, may be meaningless. Today's results showed only 8% positive, against 25-35% in April.
The October figures for respiratory disease were normal for the time of year. Hospitals are also normal in terms of numbers ill for this time of year.
The figures quoted in the lockdown speech were already superceded by the same group and Whiitty and Valliance had access to the updated model.
OFCOM has prevented media outlets from reporting differing views on covid. Even facebook and twitter take down anything that goes against government views.
So what is going on?
Someone is starting to awaken. Keep looking the answers are there.
If they are there thorbyn
Why not just post them ?
You know from reputable sources now that the
Leader of fake news has gone.
