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Even a JC led Labour Party in 2019, in the worst result since 1935, got almost 11,000 votes. Disastrous result.he should do the honourable thing and go.Ronnie Hotdogs wrote: ↑Fri Dec 03, 2021 11:30 am A terrible, terrible result for Starmer. I’m not sure how he can carry on after that.
Another great example of free thinking, libertarian toffs taking personal responsibility.Ronnie Hotdogs wrote: ↑Fri Dec 03, 2021 11:33 am I can’t believe Labour are trying to make a big deal out of this, it was a year ago ffs.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-59505975
George wrote: ↑Fri Dec 03, 2021 11:08 am Tuffers has gone quiet on here so its up to me to announce that the Tories have held on to Bexley and Sidcup in the By Election. Even i find it extraordinary that with all the bad press for the last two years , Tory voters are still not deterred.
Over to you Tuffers
If Old Stan "Le Octopuss" is going the ladies will need to watch out in case he gets overly handsy. Xmas parties are prime hunting season for Stan.Ronnie Hotdogs wrote: ↑Fri Dec 03, 2021 1:25 pmBet there’ll be some kissing under the mistletoe at that do.
Bet there'll be some proper bantz, and some absolute legend will tuck a bit of mistletoe into their belt.Ronnie Hotdogs wrote: ↑Fri Dec 03, 2021 1:25 pmBet there’ll be some kissing under the mistletoe at that do.
so Starmer is doing a great job then.,tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Fri Dec 03, 2021 1:16 pmGeorge wrote: ↑Fri Dec 03, 2021 11:08 am Tuffers has gone quiet on here so its up to me to announce that the Tories have held on to Bexley and Sidcup in the By Election. Even i find it extraordinary that with all the bad press for the last two years , Tory voters are still not deterred.
Over to you Tuffers
The Tories' majority has been cut from nearly 19,000 to 4,478, with a 10% swing to Labour
If the swing is like that come the next GE
Bye bye Tories
Back to you Thorgie
Labour doesnt need to do anything .Dohnut wrote: ↑Fri Dec 03, 2021 9:48 pmso Starmer is doing a great job then.,tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Fri Dec 03, 2021 1:16 pmGeorge wrote: ↑Fri Dec 03, 2021 11:08 am Tuffers has gone quiet on here so its up to me to announce that the Tories have held on to Bexley and Sidcup in the By Election. Even i find it extraordinary that with all the bad press for the last two years , Tory voters are still not deterred.
Over to you Tuffers
The Tories' majority has been cut from nearly 19,000 to 4,478, with a 10% swing to Labour
If the swing is like that come the next GE
Bye bye Tories
Back to you Thorgie
Have Christmas parties been banned then? Last year they were in the wrong, but not this yearPrestige Worldwide wrote: ↑Fri Dec 03, 2021 12:02 pm https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-59517527
Christmas parties: Conservative staff event going ahead, says chairman
They're just so evil, how do they manage it?
So wrong they broke the law on at least two occasions. Looking forward to the investigation by the wholly corrupt Met and subsequent prosecutions.Story of O wrote: ↑Sat Dec 04, 2021 9:45 amHave Christmas parties been banned then? Last year they were in the wrong, but not this yearPrestige Worldwide wrote: ↑Fri Dec 03, 2021 12:02 pm https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-59517527
Christmas parties: Conservative staff event going ahead, says chairman
They're just so evil, how do they manage it?
While I doubt any of them really care about what Nazanin Zaghari-Ratcliffe is going through, I think it's fair to file this case in the "Far from as straightforward as some people like to make out" category.
Has Johnson promised you a safe seat. You missed out the bit where his intervention and comments on this matter led to the Iranians doubling down.Dunners wrote: ↑Tue Dec 07, 2021 10:23 amWhile I doubt any of them really care about what Nazanin Zaghari-Ratcliffe is going through, I think it's fair to file this case in the "Far from as straightforward as some people like to make out" category.
Firstly, it's adopting a lazy position of implying good faith in the Iranian regime, and bad faith in our own. If you had to choose between governments, for all our many, many faults, you'd be brave to bet on the Iranians.
Secondly, it assumes that she's entirely innocent. I have no idea if she is or isn't, but then neither does anyone else except a very select number of people.
Thirdly, yes, the UK Government took receipt of cash from the pre-revolutionary Iranian regime for goods and services we didn't deliver. But that was pre-revolution. Paying that money back to the current Iranian regime means squaring that action with international sanctions (although, to be fair, the USA have previously refunded money to the Iranians) on a hostile state that wishes to pursue nuclear armament, and has one of the worst human rights records on the planet.
Fourthly, expecting the UK Government to hand that money over assumes that the Iranians will then just hand Nazanin back to us. The Iranians have never publicly stated that her release is conditional of repayment of this money. Just imagine the criticism our Government would receive if they handed over money to Iran who then just blew a raspberry at us and walked away.
Fifthly, if the Iranians will hand her over on receipt of this money, then this is straightforward hostage taking. It's state-sanctioned terrorism against a British (duel) citizen. For the life of me, while the likes of Raab and Johnson are deserving of criticism, I cannot understand why it's our government being painted as the pantomime villains in this when what the Iranians have done is deserving of much worse.
Almost all the vitriol being sprayed about would lead anyone to believe that everything is our fault. As she has duel citizenship, why is it the sole responsibility of the UK Government to give a XXX about her, and not the Iranians?
I feel for her family, but this is clearly not a straightforward issue.