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Smendrick Feaselberg wrote: ↑Thu Oct 29, 2020 8:42 pm

Prestige Worldwide wrote: ↑Thu Oct 29, 2020 8:41 pm Just watched a John Campbell video that says immunity lasts. Don't know if that applies to vaccines

Who is John Campbell?

Some sort of boffin. Got quite a few videos about this on YouTube. Somebody else posted them on here before.

Thor wrote: ↑Thu Oct 29, 2020 7:56 pm I’m not sure it’s needed or required dis. I know people who work in two hospitals in Kent and neither hospital has covid in them. They even said in their area the other two hospitals one has 1 and the other has 3. The area is big and vast so if they are not getting it out there where exactly is it?

My nephews wife works in Mile End Hospital , she says the Covid wards are at maximum capacity

BIGRON wrote: ↑Thu Oct 29, 2020 9:44 pm

Thor wrote: ↑Thu Oct 29, 2020 7:56 pm I’m not sure it’s needed or required dis. I know people who work in two hospitals in Kent and neither hospital has covid in them. They even said in their area the other two hospitals one has 1 and the other has 3. The area is big and vast so if they are not getting it out there where exactly is it?

My nephews wife works in Mile End Hospital , she says the Covid wards are at maximum capacity

Yet, backing up Thor's point, in Barnet general only 18 Covid patients, catchment area = 1million

Smendrick Feaselberg wrote: ↑Thu Oct 29, 2020 10:44 pm

BIGRON wrote: ↑Thu Oct 29, 2020 9:44 pm

Thor wrote: ↑Thu Oct 29, 2020 7:56 pm I’m not sure it’s needed or required dis. I know people who work in two hospitals in Kent and neither hospital has covid in them. They even said in their area the other two hospitals one has 1 and the other has 3. The area is big and vast so if they are not getting it out there where exactly is it?

My nephews wife works in Mile End Hospital , she says the Covid wards are at maximum capacity

Yet, backing up Thor's point, in Barnet general only 18 Covid patients, catchment area = 1million

When its Rife in London & the south east in early march , it was nowhere near up north .
The opposite way around this time.

Smendrick Feaselberg wrote: ↑Thu Oct 29, 2020 8:42 pm

Prestige Worldwide wrote: ↑Thu Oct 29, 2020 8:41 pm Just watched a John Campbell video that says immunity lasts. Don't know if that applies to vaccines

Who is John Campbell?

Worth watching his daily updates on YouTube if you want non-shouty and expert insight into Covid.

https://www.nationalhealthexecutive.com ... -cases-day

Interim results from the sixth report into Covid-19 infections in England published by Imperial College London and Ipsos MORI today (Oct 29) have revealed that almost 100,000 people could be infected with Covid-19 every day.

Official data says that 24,700 cases were reported on Wednesday, however the REACT study also tests asymptomatic people tog et a better sense of how the virus is spreading across the country more generally, not just people who are displaying symptoms.

Important wording
" upto 100,000 could be infrcted ".

Also Imperial is including asymptomatic as well as Symptomatic.

Dunners wrote: ↑Fri Oct 30, 2020 7:58 am

Smendrick Feaselberg wrote: ↑Thu Oct 29, 2020 8:42 pm

Prestige Worldwide wrote: ↑Thu Oct 29, 2020 8:41 pm Just watched a John Campbell video that says immunity lasts. Don't know if that applies to vaccines

Who is John Campbell?

Worth watching his daily updates on YouTube if you want non-shouty and expert insight into Covid.

Expert insight into Covid ?

There is no such thing. That's why the world is in the state it is.

tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Fri Oct 30, 2020 9:18 am https://www.nationalhealthexecutive.com ... -cases-day

Interim results from the sixth report into Covid-19 infections in England published by Imperial College London and Ipsos MORI today (Oct 29) have revealed that almost 100,000 people could be infected with Covid-19 every day.

Official data says that 24,700 cases were reported on Wednesday, however the REACT study also tests asymptomatic people tog et a better sense of how the virus is spreading across the country more generally, not just people who are displaying symptoms.

Important wording
" upto 100,000 could be infrcted ".

Also Imperial is including asymptomatic as well as Symptomatic.

Will be interesting to see what the ONS survey findings are when they are next released. I think the last one was hinting at the spread of the virus slowing.

Smendrick Feaselberg wrote: ↑Fri Oct 30, 2020 11:00 am

tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Fri Oct 30, 2020 9:18 am https://www.nationalhealthexecutive.com ... -cases-day

Interim results from the sixth report into Covid-19 infections in England published by Imperial College London and Ipsos MORI today (Oct 29) have revealed that almost 100,000 people could be infected with Covid-19 every day.

Official data says that 24,700 cases were reported on Wednesday, however the REACT study also tests asymptomatic people tog et a better sense of how the virus is spreading across the country more generally, not just people who are displaying symptoms.

Important wording
" upto 100,000 could be infrcted ".

Also Imperial is including asymptomatic as well as Symptomatic.

Will be interesting to see what the ONS survey findings are when they are next released. I think the last one was hinting at the spread of the virus slowing.

I saw someone mentioning the spread slowing, but the increase
to those catching it being far greater , leading to much higher death numbers .

Of course if a vaccine is found this could be avoided .

So many clinical opinions, its very hard to see exactly where it will go.

We just have to keep the.conspiracy brigade out of it .

Full national lockdown until December from next week being widely reported now

Digby Chicken Caesar wrote: ↑Fri Oct 30, 2020 10:46 pm Full national lockdown until December from next week being widely reported now

Torygraph says a Tier 4 could be coming, with all those currently in Tier 3 moved up. Guessing that will be similar to when we had the first lockdown

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-54750775

Covid spreading faster in England than 'worst-case scenario', documents show

Covid is spreading "significantly" faster through England than even the government's predicted "worst-case" scenario, documents reveal.

The Scientific Advisory Group for Emergencies (Sage) says there are around four times as many people catching Covid than anticipated.

A "reasonable worst-case scenario" is used by officials and the NHS to plan for the months ahead.

It had estimated 85,000 deaths from Covid over the course of winter.

But an official Sage document, dated 14 October and published today, reveals we are in a worse position than expected.

Scientists crunching the numbers estimated that, by mid-October, there were between 43,000 and 74,000 people being infected with coronavirus every day in England.

Their report said: "This is significantly above the profile of the reasonable worst-case scenario, where the number of daily infections in England remained between 12,000-13,000 throughout October."

Analysis: Are we heading for lockdown?

You don't need to be a genius to realise how difficult managing the virus through winter is going to be.

Scientists advising the government have been arguing for a short, planned lockdown - called a circuit-breaker - since 21 September.

They made the case when there were around 5,000 confirmed cases a day. The numbers have changed dramatically since then and their argument is intensifying, not lessening.

The government is holding to its regional "tiered" system even as other countries introduce new lockdowns.

There are glimmers of hope with cases appearing to level off in the North East and the R number drifting down.

However, the national R is not below one and there will be a constant argument for tighter restrictions, in whatever form, until it is.

The biggest thing to remember is quite how much further we have to go - November, December, January and February are expected to be the toughest months - and we are in this for the long haul.

The report added that the number of people with Covid needing hospital care is already higher than the winter plan and deaths will "almost certainly" exceed the plan in the next two weeks.

However, this is not the same as saying more than 85,000 people will die this winter. Government action can still change the course of the pandemic.

Of course it’s going to happen. Cases are rising faster now than at any time since March. The country is going to pay the price for Johnson’s desperate desire not to be the one who locked the country down for months and ruined Christmas. This winter is going to make the spring peak look like a walk in the park. Strap in folks, this is going to be messy.

Sky News reporting that an announcement on new tougher measures will be announced on Monday.

Got to be that pubs and restaurants will close, but will they stop short and keep retail open to try and keep the economy going.

It really isnt looking good .

The zzzzTorys have wasted how much on how many different track & traces .

Opened up lockdown far to early to deflect rules being broken & people
using the good enough for cummings excuse or my eyes needed testing occifer lines.

The desperation to start earning again just shows how bad the overdraft facility was
that they.couldnt hang on a few.weeks to let numbers dying drop more , before.re-opening.

Digby Chicken Caesar wrote: ↑Fri Oct 30, 2020 10:46 pm Full national lockdown until December from next week being widely reported now

Yep, hearing the same thing.

Bang on.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-54756950

Could be lockdown from Monday !

tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Sat Oct 31, 2020 7:01 am https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-54756950

Could be lockdown from Monday !

Commiserations to anyone that needs to go to a supermarket today or tomorrow.

Smendrick Feaselberg wrote: ↑Sat Oct 31, 2020 7:12 am

tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Sat Oct 31, 2020 7:01 am https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-54756950

Could be lockdown from Monday !

Commiserations to anyone that needs to go to a supermarket today or tomorrow.

I got a delivery on thursday & i didnt get my butter
Better nip out early .

No need to panic, yet people will.

4000 deaths a day sage reckon. I can't see that happening.

Proff' Semple on BBC saying we are seeing 4 times more women aged
Between 18-40 taken to Hospital for disease .

Not deaths yet but likely to follow

Those in Hospitality retail care industries .

Calum Semple
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Calum_Semple

Considering most of the deaths are the over 80s, can't see many of the 18-40s in hospital dying.

Prestige Worldwide wrote: ↑Sat Oct 31, 2020 8:22 am 4000 deaths a day sage reckon. I can't see that happening.

Well, you've been pretty much spot on all the way through this with it not being that bad really. 4000 deaths is if we do nothing, you've never really got your head round that have you?

Stowaway wrote: ↑Fri Oct 30, 2020 11:22 pm Of course it’s going to happen. Cases are rising faster now than at any time since March. The country is going to pay the price for Johnson’s desperate desire not to be the one who locked the country down for months and ruined Christmas. This winter is going to make the spring peak look like a walk in the park. Strap in folks, this is going to be messy.

Those daily walks in the park won’t be quite so pleasant either.