Independent Leyton Orient Forum

ComeOnYouOs wrote: ↑Wed Feb 15, 2023 5:54 pm The people of Islington North love Corbyn, and he will be re elected as an independent, if he decides to stand.
As for wanting a conservative government, of course not, but the current bunch of Labour right wingers is no different to the Tories.
They are going for the Tory vote, and will have similar policies.
To have the only two parties who could gain power, both so similar is really bad for democracy. Voter's need parties with different views to fully have democracy

ComeOnYouOs wrote: ↑Wed Feb 15, 2023 5:54 pm The people of Islington North love Corbyn, and he will be re elected as an independent, if he decides to stand.
As for wanting a conservative government, of course not, but the current bunch of Labour right wingers is no different to the Tories.
They are going for the Tory vote, and will have similar policies.
To have the only two parties who could gain power, both so similar is really bad for democracy. Voter's need parties with different views to fully have democracy

Friend or faux wrote: ↑Wed Feb 15, 2023 6:24 pm Have you ever been to N.Islington COYO'S? I was born & bred there, even when the mad Irishman Michael O'Halloran, was the MP. I still have loads of friends who originated in that area. The people who tend to rule there, are posh Labour incomers such as Starmer & my cousin a rabid Labour supporter , who is a Professor of Oncology. It nowadays bears no resemblance to the working class area it once was. They may like Corbyn but mainly because they are intellectual rebels who were stoned out of their minds in the 1960's & 1970's. Up the Workers & get rid of these rogues in power at the moment. You should see what they have done in Thurrock ( and are in denial about it- trying to blame Corbyn ). The natives here are livid. The last thing we need right now are apologists for Corbyn. The Right see him as our soft under belly.

Friend or faux wrote: ↑Wed Feb 15, 2023 6:24 pm Have you ever been to N.Islington COYO'S? I was born & bred there, even when the mad Irishman Michael O'Halloran, was the MP. I still have loads of friends who originated in that area. The people who tend to rule there, are posh Labour incomers such as Starmer & my cousin a rabid Labour supporter , who is a Professor of Oncology. It nowadays bears no resemblance to the working class area it once was. They may like Corbyn but mainly because they are intellectual rebels who were stoned out of their minds in the 1960's & 1970's. Up the Workers & get rid of these rogues in power at the moment. You should see what they have done in Thurrock ( and are in denial about it- trying to blame Corbyn ). The natives here are livid. The last thing we need right now are apologists for Corbyn. The Right see him as our soft under belly.

Friend or faux wrote: ↑Wed Feb 15, 2023 6:24 pm Have you ever been to N.Islington COYO'S? I was born & bred there, even when the mad Irishman Michael O'Halloran, was the MP. I still have loads of friends who originated in that area. The people who tend to rule there, are posh Labour incomers such as Starmer & my cousin a rabid Labour supporter , who is a Professor of Oncology. It nowadays bears no resemblance to the working class area it once was. They may like Corbyn but mainly because they are intellectual rebels who were stoned out of their minds in the 1960's & 1970's. Up the Workers & get rid of these rogues in power at the moment. You should see what they have done in Thurrock ( and are in denial about it- trying to blame Corbyn ). The natives here are livid. The last thing we need right now are apologists for Corbyn. The Right see him as our soft under belly.

Long slender neck wrote: ↑Wed Feb 15, 2023 6:12 pm

ComeOnYouOs wrote: ↑Wed Feb 15, 2023 5:54 pm The people of Islington North love Corbyn, and he will be re elected as an independent, if he decides to stand.
As for wanting a conservative government, of course not, but the current bunch of Labour right wingers is no different to the Tories.
They are going for the Tory vote, and will have similar policies.
To have the only two parties who could gain power, both so similar is really bad for democracy. Voter's need parties with different views to fully have democracy

Of course they're different.

StillSpike wrote: ↑Wed Feb 15, 2023 8:18 pm

Long slender neck wrote: ↑Wed Feb 15, 2023 6:12 pm

ComeOnYouOs wrote: ↑Wed Feb 15, 2023 5:54 pm The people of Islington North love Corbyn, and he will be re elected as an independent, if he decides to stand.
As for wanting a conservative government, of course not, but the current bunch of Labour right wingers is no different to the Tories.
They are going for the Tory vote, and will have similar policies.
To have the only two parties who could gain power, both so similar is really bad for democracy. Voter's need parties with different views to fully have democracy

Of course they're different.

Could you give some clear examples where the current Labour party differs from the Tories. I'll accept that they seem to be less inclined to line their pals' pockets with government contracts (other than little Streeting, of course), but in terms of policy, it seems to me to be increasingly difficult to tell them apart.

They seem to want to be tougher than the Tories on Immigration and on benefits. They don't agree with key workers striking for more pay - or, indeed, for the idea that key workers should be paid. They're pro Trident, pro Nato, anti Nationalisation seemingly less than keen on the EU (which is really strange, given that Starmer hamstrung their last manifesto by crow-barring in a People's Vote - he's gone a bit quiet about that since then). Whatever one might think on each of these matters - it seems like there's a very narrow line between the Tories and Labour.

Can you point to clear differences between the parties - perhaps some clear red water, so to speak? Some concrete actual policy reasons to vote Labour, other than the fact that they're not Tories?

Friend or faux wrote: ↑Wed Feb 15, 2023 6:24 pm Have you ever been to N.Islington COYO'S? I was born & bred there, even when the mad Irishman Michael O'Halloran, was the MP. I still have loads of friends who originated in that area. The people who tend to rule there, are posh Labour incomers such as Starmer & my cousin a rabid Labour supporter , who is a Professor of Oncology. It nowadays bears no resemblance to the working class area it once was. They may like Corbyn but mainly because they are intellectual rebels who were stoned out of their minds in the 1960's & 1970's. Up the Workers & get rid of these rogues in power at the moment. You should see what they have done in Thurrock ( and are in denial about it- trying to blame Corbyn ). The natives here are livid. The last thing we need right now are apologists for Corbyn. The Right see him as our soft under belly.

StillSpike wrote: ↑Wed Feb 15, 2023 8:18 pm

Long slender neck wrote: ↑Wed Feb 15, 2023 6:12 pm

ComeOnYouOs wrote: ↑Wed Feb 15, 2023 5:54 pm The people of Islington North love Corbyn, and he will be re elected as an independent, if he decides to stand.
As for wanting a conservative government, of course not, but the current bunch of Labour right wingers is no different to the Tories.
They are going for the Tory vote, and will have similar policies.
To have the only two parties who could gain power, both so similar is really bad for democracy. Voter's need parties with different views to fully have democracy

Of course they're different.

Could you give some clear examples where the current Labour party differs from the Tories. I'll accept that they seem to be less inclined to line their pals' pockets with government contracts (other than little Streeting, of course), but in terms of policy, it seems to me to be increasingly difficult to tell them apart.

They seem to want to be tougher than the Tories on Immigration and on benefits. They don't agree with key workers striking for more pay - or, indeed, for the idea that key workers should be paid at least in line with inflation. They're pro Trident, pro Nato, anti Nationalisation and seemingly less than keen on the EU (which is really strange, given that Starmer hamstrung their last manifesto by crow-barring in a People's Vote - he's gone a bit quiet about that since then). Whatever one might think on each of these matters - it seems like there's a very narrow line between the Tories and Labour.

Can you point to clear differences between the parties - perhaps some clear red water, so to speak? Some concrete actual policy reasons to vote Labour, other than the fact that they're not Tories?

StillSpike wrote: ↑Wed Feb 15, 2023 8:18 pm

Long slender neck wrote: ↑Wed Feb 15, 2023 6:12 pm

ComeOnYouOs wrote: ↑Wed Feb 15, 2023 5:54 pm The people of Islington North love Corbyn, and he will be re elected as an independent, if he decides to stand.
As for wanting a conservative government, of course not, but the current bunch of Labour right wingers is no different to the Tories.
They are going for the Tory vote, and will have similar policies.
To have the only two parties who could gain power, both so similar is really bad for democracy. Voter's need parties with different views to fully have democracy

Of course they're different.

Could you give some clear examples where the current Labour party differs from the Tories. I'll accept that they seem to be less inclined to line their pals' pockets with government contracts (other than little Streeting, of course), but in terms of policy, it seems to me to be increasingly difficult to tell them apart.

They seem to want to be tougher than the Tories on Immigration and on benefits. They don't agree with key workers striking for more pay - or, indeed, for the idea that key workers should be paid at least in line with inflation. They're pro Trident, pro Nato, anti Nationalisation and seemingly less than keen on the EU (which is really strange, given that Starmer hamstrung their last manifesto by crow-barring in a People's Vote - he's gone a bit quiet about that since then). Whatever one might think on each of these matters - it seems like there's a very narrow line between the Tories and Labour.

Can you point to clear differences between the parties - perhaps some clear red water, so to speak? Some concrete actual policy reasons to vote Labour, other than the fact that they're not Tories?

Friend or faux wrote: ↑Wed Feb 15, 2023 10:12 pm Comrade Maxy ( or whoever you might be ). Just remember that every time your loony Leftist mates decide to make a go of it on their own they usually get about 50 votes and lose their deposits. They are just not relevant in the UK.

Long slender neck wrote: ↑Wed Feb 15, 2023 10:52 pm

StillSpike wrote: ↑Wed Feb 15, 2023 8:18 pm

Long slender neck wrote: ↑Wed Feb 15, 2023 6:12 pm
Of course they're different.

Could you give some clear examples where the current Labour party differs from the Tories. I'll accept that they seem to be less inclined to line their pals' pockets with government contracts (other than little Streeting, of course), but in terms of policy, it seems to me to be increasingly difficult to tell them apart.

They seem to want to be tougher than the Tories on Immigration and on benefits. They don't agree with key workers striking for more pay - or, indeed, for the idea that key workers should be paid at least in line with inflation. They're pro Trident, pro Nato, anti Nationalisation and seemingly less than keen on the EU (which is really strange, given that Starmer hamstrung their last manifesto by crow-barring in a People's Vote - he's gone a bit quiet about that since then). Whatever one might think on each of these matters - it seems like there's a very narrow line between the Tories and Labour.

Can you point to clear differences between the parties - perhaps some clear red water, so to speak? Some concrete actual policy reasons to vote Labour, other than the fact that they're not Tories?

Have you read all the guff on the labour website? I'm not going to copy and paste it all for you. I wouldn't even expect specifics until an election is imminent. Dont play dumb.

If you can source some of your claims i may have a look at them.

You really need to get over your(corbyn lefty loon labour) two previous electoral failures(thanks for gifting tories a decade of power) and just back the best you can get.

CEB wrote: ↑Wed Feb 15, 2023 5:15 pm I have mixed feelings on Corbyn,

TRUMP Plumbing wrote: ↑Thu Feb 16, 2023 8:35 am

Long slender neck wrote: ↑Wed Feb 15, 2023 10:52 pm

StillSpike wrote: ↑Wed Feb 15, 2023 8:18 pm

Could you give some clear examples where the current Labour party differs from the Tories. I'll accept that they seem to be less inclined to line their pals' pockets with government contracts (other than little Streeting, of course), but in terms of policy, it seems to me to be increasingly difficult to tell them apart.

They seem to want to be tougher than the Tories on Immigration and on benefits. They don't agree with key workers striking for more pay - or, indeed, for the idea that key workers should be paid at least in line with inflation. They're pro Trident, pro Nato, anti Nationalisation and seemingly less than keen on the EU (which is really strange, given that Starmer hamstrung their last manifesto by crow-barring in a People's Vote - he's gone a bit quiet about that since then). Whatever one might think on each of these matters - it seems like there's a very narrow line between the Tories and Labour.

Can you point to clear differences between the parties - perhaps some clear red water, so to speak? Some concrete actual policy reasons to vote Labour, other than the fact that they're not Tories?

Have you read all the guff on the labour website? I'm not going to copy and paste it all for you. I wouldn't even expect specifics until an election is imminent. Dont play dumb.

If you can source some of your claims i may have a look at them.

You really need to get over your(corbyn lefty loon labour) two previous electoral failures(thanks for gifting tories a decade of power) and just back the best you can get.

So not even one clear example? Thought not.

Dunners wrote: ↑Mon Dec 12, 2022 2:06 pm

TRUMP Plumbing wrote: ↑Mon Dec 12, 2022 1:22 pm It's not that Labour and Starmer aren't left wing enough. It's that they're not left wing.

Exactly. Here's the right-wing fascist espousing his neo-liberal ideology again:

Long slender neck wrote: ↑Wed Feb 15, 2023 10:52 pm

StillSpike wrote: ↑Wed Feb 15, 2023 8:18 pm

Long slender neck wrote: ↑Wed Feb 15, 2023 6:12 pm
Of course they're different.

Could you give some clear examples where the current Labour party differs from the Tories. I'll accept that they seem to be less inclined to line their pals' pockets with government contracts (other than little Streeting, of course), but in terms of policy, it seems to me to be increasingly difficult to tell them apart.

They seem to want to be tougher than the Tories on Immigration and on benefits. They don't agree with key workers striking for more pay - or, indeed, for the idea that key workers should be paid at least in line with inflation. They're pro Trident, pro Nato, anti Nationalisation and seemingly less than keen on the EU (which is really strange, given that Starmer hamstrung their last manifesto by crow-barring in a People's Vote - he's gone a bit quiet about that since then). Whatever one might think on each of these matters - it seems like there's a very narrow line between the Tories and Labour.

Can you point to clear differences between the parties - perhaps some clear red water, so to speak? Some concrete actual policy reasons to vote Labour, other than the fact that they're not Tories?

Have you read all the guff on the labour website? I'm not going to copy and paste it all for you. I wouldn't even expect specifics until an election is imminent. Dont play dumb.

If you can source some of your claims i may have a look at them.

You really need to get over your(corbyn lefty loon labour) two previous electoral failures(thanks for gifting tories a decade of power) and just back the best you can get.

Long slender neck wrote: ↑Thu Feb 16, 2023 9:13 am Starmer has done whats needed to make labour electable again. Back him because we cannot afford another tory government.

Dunners wrote: ↑Thu Feb 16, 2023 8:52 am Labour are obviously not going to make any policy announcements yet. Nor are they ever going to bring about radical change.

Long slender neck wrote: ↑Thu Feb 16, 2023 9:13 am
What this is really about is people of your leanings still feeling sore about Corbz and your politics being totally rejected by the electorate.

slacker wrote: ↑Thu Feb 16, 2023 9:35 am

Long slender neck wrote: ↑Thu Feb 16, 2023 9:13 am Starmer has done whats needed to make labour electable again. Back him because we cannot afford another tory government.

It’s rather sad that we’ll have to make do with the Tory 2nd XI, though. There will be little change to the status quo under Starmer.

As for Corbyn, I imagine the stubborn old sod will stand again as an Independent after going through the motions of having the local Labour party choose him and be summarily overruled by the NEC, then lose (narrowly). I’d pack it in and spend more time over the allotment myself.