Independent Leyton Orient Forum

CEB wrote: ↑Tue Oct 11, 2022 1:29 pm The tories would be quite happy for Corbyn to be Labour leader, no?

You’d need someone like prez biz or dunnem to confirm but my guess would be yes, the tories would prefer Corbyn as Labour leader whilst they are in charge.

But they would prefer Starmer as PM, should Labour come to power.

TRUMP Plumbing wrote: ↑Tue Oct 11, 2022 2:17 pm

CEB wrote: ↑Tue Oct 11, 2022 1:29 pm The tories would be quite happy for Corbyn to be Labour leader, no?

You’d need someone like prez biz or dunnem to confirm but my guess would be yes, the tories would prefer Corbyn as Labour leader whilst they are in charge.

But they would prefer Starmer as PM, should Labour come to power.

That’s true, but it’s also just a truism. A party that wants to get elected needs to be able to convince people who voted for the government to switch to them, so any party seeking power is going to inevitably drift towards being palatable to the party in power.

This just feels like re-arguing for why things would be different under Corbyn - I gave those arguments a fair hearing, adopted them myself enthusiastically, and then it turned out that he wasn’t electable.

I’m trying to keep this about the current leadership but others - yourself, dunnem, caca - seem to want to make it about Corbyn.

The competition to be the next Labour MP for Sheffield Central is looking like it could be entertaining.

Paul Mason should be OK so long as nobody mentions his "accident" during his visit to the Oxford Yooni.

Nothing to see here atm

I did see a Telegraph news alert somewhere on my social medias yesterday digging out Labour for having no policies, or not costing a proposed cut, or something. But even they couldn't really be bothered, it was very half hearted.

I think I can see the point she's trying to make but, f*ck me, she really is terrible at making it.

Dunners wrote: ↑Fri Nov 04, 2022 7:10 am I think I can see the point she's trying to make but, f*ck me, she really is terrible at making it.

Thank heavens she wasn’t discussing actual numbers, her abacus would be in meltdown.

Shadow health secretary making jokes about mental health.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/p ... 1.html?amp

TRUMP Plumbing wrote: ↑Thu Nov 10, 2022 6:32 am Shadow health secretary making jokes about mental health.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/p ... 1.html?amp

You need aThesaurus, maybe borrow one from your girlfriend . The school should have one !

This Panorama programme was made by the BBC in 2019. At the time Margaret Hodge, MP, was frequently in the news with her hate campaign against Corbyn. Is it just a coincidence that Hodge's daughter Lizzie Watson became a deputy editor for BBC news in February 2018?

I believe it was Starmer who decided to make a big 'compensation' payment to those performers in that Panorama programme even though legal advice to Labour said that a legal claim from them for compensaqtion would be unlikely to succeed.

E10EU wrote: ↑Thu Jan 05, 2023 3:11 pm I believe it was Starmer who decided to make a big 'compensation' payment to those performers in that Panorama programme even though legal advice to Labour said that a legal claim from them for compensaqtion would be unlikely to succeed.

And they say the Tories are corrupt!

Former Labour MP Jared O’Mara guilty of fraudulent expense claims fraud in order to pay off his to debt to his drugs dealer.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-s ... e-64512690

That Jared O'Mara, eh? What a lad.

Up the workers!

Starmer confirms, Jeremy Corbyn will not be allowed to contest Islington north as a Labour candidate in the next GE

Personally I hope Jezza runs as an Independent, and thrashes Starmers Red Tory candidate

You want another Conservative govt then?

Before Corbyn was Leader, he hardly ever toed Party Line. Between 1997 and 2010, during the most recent Labour Government, Corbyn was the Labour MP who voted most often against the party whip, including three-line whip votes. In 2005 he was identified as the second most rebellious Labour MP of all time when the party was in government. He was the most rebellious Labour MP in the 1997–2001 Parliament, the 2001–2005 Parliament and the 2005–2010 Parliament, defying the whip 428 times while Labour was in power.Hardly a stalwart Labour Party member. I say good riddance.

Long slender neck wrote: ↑Wed Feb 15, 2023 3:38 pm You want another Conservative govt then?

It's what we're going to get.

I have mixed feelings on Corbyn, but the idea that voting against the party line inherently shows some kind of disloyalty is ridiculous. There’s no point in having votes if the act of voting against the party line is a mark against a person.
I’d be amazed if the people who voted for him as their labour MP feel that he’s never been a good labour MP

The people of Islington North love Corbyn, and he will be re elected as an independent, if he decides to stand.
As for wanting a conservative government, of course not, but the current bunch of Labour right wingers is no different to the Tories.
They are going for the Tory vote, and will have similar policies.
To have the only two parties who could gain power, both so similar is really bad for democracy. Voter's need parties with different views to fully have democracy

CEB said:-" the idea that voting against the party line inherently shows some kind of disloyalty is ridiculous. There’s no point in having votes if the act of voting against the party line is a mark against a person."
I say yeah, but where do you draw the line, his voting against his Party was on a Biblical scale. Which suggest to me ( & probably anyone with a modicum of sense ) that the geezer was in the wrong bleedin' Party.