Tory Watch

[George M]

Thanks for the explanation max.

Maybe George will now go after the other other tories that have actually used these offshore shenanigans for themselves, the likes of Cameron and Sunak and others.

I agree Ronnie. But is all I am asking is a balanced argument. It isn’t as black and white as Tories dishonest , Labour honest

[Max B Gold]

Tuffers
Ok. So that everyone is clear on this

1 You are perfectly happy with our country e8ntering a war that has no UN backing. In essence an illegal action.
2. It is perfectly acceptable for anyone to use loopholes in the law to make huge tax savings.

A simple yes or no will do.

If we are talking about Blair and tax savings the people he bought the property from were the perpetrators of the original Stamp Duty avoidance.

When he made the property acquisition he would not have been given much choice other than to buy the shares in the offshore company who owned the property.

Not sure what happened next. However, what I can say of Blair was that he is conscious of his reputation and not getting embroiled in tax avoidance.

He's less conscious about 1 million Iraqi deaths and illegal wars though. That much I know.

Thank you Max.
Yes , anything to do with offshore companies smells dodgy though always. They are set up to take advantage of tax loopholes. Best avoided by anyone in high places I would have thought.

Don't be naive the rich are all at it. Camerons old man ?

Reason for leaving the EU - prescription and control of tax havens?

HMRC also has a list of tax havens and laws to deal with them but it don't amount to nothing if you don't know who owns the shares of the offshore BVI company owned by a Trust in Gibraltar, Liechtenstein, Monaco etc you get my drift

Common factorS in the tax avoidance/evasion industry is the predominance of the UK, its dependencies and London.

[George M]

If we are talking about Blair and tax savings the people he bought the property from were the perpetrators of the original Stamp Duty avoidance.

When he made the property acquisition he would not have been given much choice other than to buy the shares in the offshore company who owned the property.

Not sure what happened next. However, what I can say of Blair was that he is conscious of his reputation and not getting embroiled in tax avoidance.

He's less conscious about 1 million Iraqi deaths and illegal wars though. That much I know.

Thank you Max.
Yes , anything to do with offshore companies smells dodgy though always. They are set up to take advantage of tax loopholes. Best avoided by anyone in high places I would have thought.

Don't be naive the rich are all at it. Camerons old man ?

Reason for leaving the EU - prescription and control of tax havens?

HMRC also has a list of tax havens and laws to deal with them but it don't amount to nothing if you don't know who owns the shares of the offshore BVI company owned by a Trust in Gibraltar, Liechtenstein, Monaco etc you get my drift

Common factorS in the tax avoidance/evasion industry is the predominance of the UK, its dependencies and London.

I was agreeing with you.

[Max B Gold]

Thank you Max.
Yes , anything to do with offshore companies smells dodgy though always. They are set up to take advantage of tax loopholes. Best avoided by anyone in high places I would have thought.

Don't be naive the rich are all at it. Camerons old man ?

Reason for leaving the EU - prescription and control of tax havens?

HMRC also has a list of tax havens and laws to deal with them but it don't amount to nothing if you don't know who owns the shares of the offshore BVI company owned by a Trust in Gibraltar, Liechtenstein, Monaco etc you get my drift

Common factorS in the tax avoidance/evasion industry is the predominance of the UK, its dependencies and London.

I was agreeing with you.

Inconceivable.

[tuffers#1]

Tuffers
Ok. So that everyone is clear on this

1 You are perfectly happy with our country entering a war that has no UN backing. In essence an illegal action.
2. It is perfectly acceptable for anyone to use loopholes in the law to make huge tax savings.

A simple yes or no will do.

answer 1 . My Country wasnt involved in a war with no U.N backing

answer 2 . Bad Governments create loop holes .

30 odd years ago anybody rich could own a tree & claim a tax break .
Labour or John Major ( i cant remember which ) got rid of the law .

do not blame people for doing what is Legal.
Blame governments for not closing loopholes ,
They won't because that means they will have to declare
wrong doing .

Here I'll give you a prime example .

How did Charles Haughey ex Taoiseach of my Country
manage to own Abbeville House ?

A prime example of a Great Irish Man but a Very Flawed Irish man .


Just 1 Question from Me for you George .

Were you against being with the U.S & Therefore with the Terrorists ?

[Max B Gold]

Tuffers
Ok. So that everyone is clear on this

1 You are perfectly happy with our country entering a war that has no UN backing. In essence an illegal action.
2. It is perfectly acceptable for anyone to use loopholes in the law to make huge tax savings.

A simple yes or no will do.

answer 1 . My Country wasnt involved in a war with no U.N backing

answer 2 . Bad Governments create loop holes .

30 odd years ago anybody rich could own a tree & claim a tax break .
Labour or John Major ( i cant remember which ) got rid of the law .

do not blame people for doing what is Legal.
Blame governments for not closing loopholes ,
They won't because that means they will have to declare
wrong doing .

Here I'll give you a prime example .

How did Charles Haughey ex Taoiseach of my Country
manage to own Abbeville House ?

A prime example of a Great Irish Man but a Very Flawed Irish man .

Hey! Don't go knocking the tree tax breaks. It was designed to provide incentives after WWI to replace the timber used for trenches and coffins. Shame it was ruthlessly exploited by the rich. Who saw that coming?

[tuffers#1]

Tuffers
Ok. So that everyone is clear on this

1 You are perfectly happy with our country entering a war that has no UN backing. In essence an illegal action.
2. It is perfectly acceptable for anyone to use loopholes in the law to make huge tax savings.

A simple yes or no will do.

answer 1 . My Country wasnt involved in a war with no U.N backing

answer 2 . Bad Governments create loop holes .

30 odd years ago anybody rich could own a tree & claim a tax break .
Labour or John Major ( i cant remember which ) got rid of the law .

do not blame people for doing what is Legal.
Blame governments for not closing loopholes ,
They won't because that means they will have to declare
wrong doing .

Here I'll give you a prime example .

How did Charles Haughey ex Taoiseach of my Country
manage to own Abbeville House ?

A prime example of a Great Irish Man but a Very Flawed Irish man .

Hey! Don't go knocking the tree tax breaks. It was designed to provide incentives after WWI to replace the timber used for trenches and coffins. Shame it was ruthlessly exploited by the rich. Who saw that coming?

i know .

George Best was the reason i found out about it .
lots of footballers & tv stars & musicians owned them .

Still it shows why loopholes are generally used by
dodgy RICH f*ckers .
when it was a christmas box ( bonus) for the worker
the C*nt that was Th@tch#r made sure to get rid of those .

penalise the worker for a week or months tax once a year but
scam public funds & dodgy rich f*ckers with stamp duty, tax avoidance
( 2 different branches of the same tfee ) along with off shore accounts etc &
let the rich get richer
PAH !!

[George M]

Tuffers
Ok. So that everyone is clear on this

1 You are perfectly happy with our country entering a war that has no UN backing. In essence an illegal action.
2. It is perfectly acceptable for anyone to use loopholes in the law to make huge tax savings.

A simple yes or no will do.

answer 1 . My Country wasnt involved in a war with no U.N backing

answer 2 . Bad Governments create loop holes .

30 odd years ago anybody rich could own a tree & claim a tax break .
Labour or John Major ( i cant remember which ) got rid of the law .

do not blame people for doing what is Legal.
Blame governments for not closing loopholes ,
They won't because that means they will have to declare
wrong doing .

Here I'll give you a prime example .

How did Charles Haughey ex Taoiseach of my Country
manage to own Abbeville House ?

A prime example of a Great Irish Man but a Very Flawed Irish man .


Just 1 Question from Me for you George .

Were you against being with the U.S & Therefore with the Terrorists ?

Tuffers . you need to do a little more research on the legality of the Gulf war . I am against all needless wars and the Gulf war was a prime example of such. I am always against siding with the Americans . I have never understood our alignment with a stupid , gun toting country. I would go even further . It is the USA whom are the terrorists of the modern era.

[George M]

answer 1 . My Country wasnt involved in a war with no U.N backing

answer 2 . Bad Governments create loop holes .

30 odd years ago anybody rich could own a tree & claim a tax break .
Labour or John Major ( i cant remember which ) got rid of the law .

do not blame people for doing what is Legal.
Blame governments for not closing loopholes ,
They won't because that means they will have to declare
wrong doing .

Here I'll give you a prime example .

How did Charles Haughey ex Taoiseach of my Country
manage to own Abbeville House ?

A prime example of a Great Irish Man but a Very Flawed Irish man .

Hey! Don't go knocking the tree tax breaks. It was designed to provide incentives after WWI to replace the timber used for trenches and coffins. Shame it was ruthlessly exploited by the rich. Who saw that coming?

i know .

George Best was the reason i found out about it .
lots of footballers & tv stars & musicians owned them .

Still it shows why loopholes are generally used by
dodgy RICH f*ckers .
when it was a christmas box ( bonus) for the worker
the C*nt that was Th@tch#r made sure to get rid of those .

penalise the worker for a week or months tax once a year but
scam public funds & dodgy rich f*ckers with stamp duty, tax avoidance
( 2 different branches of the same tfee ) along with off shore accounts etc &
let the rich get richer
PAH !!

So is it OK that your esteemed ex leader is involved in a dodgy loophole . You avoided that question nicely . Have you been a politician in a former life

[Ronnie Hotdogs]

Thorgeyboy - Blair is one of yours.

[George M]

Thorgeyboy - Blair is one of yours.

In that case , I have no case against him

[Currywurst and Chips]

The same people are saying the same things about Boris after his speech today and still playing the same game he wants them to.

It's like they've learnt nothing from the last 5 years

[George M]

The same people are saying the same things about Boris after his speech today and still playing the same game he wants them to.

It's like they've learnt nothing from the last 5 years

It was a good , solid speech that will keep the Conservatives in power for a while to come . There is , at least , the makings of a plan in there

[Dohnut]

The same people are saying the same things about Boris after his speech today and still playing the same game he wants them to.

It's like they've learnt nothing from the last 5 years

It was a good , solid speech that will keep the Conservatives in power for a while to come . There is , at least , the makings of a plan in there

It was better than good. I’m no Boris lover, but the speech was full of ideas, passion, humour and vision. Who knows whether it can or cannot be done, time will tell. But it was bloody good and mercifully shorter than last weeks. In fact it was entertaining.

[Currywurst and Chips]

It's easier to be shorter when you don't have cranks shouting you down every few minutes

[Max B Gold]

The same people are saying the same things about Boris after his speech today and still playing the same game he wants them to.

It's like they've learnt nothing from the last 5 years

It was a good , solid speech that will keep the Conservatives in power for a while to come . There is , at least , the makings of a plan in there

It was better than good. I’m no Boris lover, but the speech was full of ideas, passion, humour and vision. Who knows whether it can or cannot be done, time will tell. But it was bloody good and mercifully shorter than last weeks. In fact it was entertaining.

Please provide an example of his "vision". The man just tells lie after lie.

[Currywurst and Chips]

It was a good , solid speech that will keep the Conservatives in power for a while to come . There is , at least , the makings of a plan in there

It was better than good. I’m no Boris lover, but the speech was full of ideas, passion, humour and vision. Who knows whether it can or cannot be done, time will tell. But it was bloody good and mercifully shorter than last weeks. In fact it was entertaining.

Please provide an example of his "vision". The man just tells lie after lie.

Bringing back beavers and otters to name two

[Dunners]

Jon Bon Govey

[Max B Gold]

Jon Bon Govey

His name is Michael. So that doesn't work in any way.

[Max B Gold]

It was better than good. I’m no Boris lover, but the speech was full of ideas, passion, humour and vision. Who knows whether it can or cannot be done, time will tell. But it was bloody good and mercifully shorter than last weeks. In fact it was entertaining.

Please provide an example of his "vision". The man just tells lie after lie.

Bringing back beavers and otters to name two

He likes beavers.

[BoniO]

The same people are saying the same things about Boris after his speech today and still playing the same game he wants them to.

It's like they've learnt nothing from the last 5 years

It was a good , solid speech that will keep the Conservatives in power for a while to come . There is , at least , the makings of a plan in there

It was better than good. I’m no Boris lover, but the speech was full of ideas, passion, humour and vision. Who knows whether it can or cannot be done, time will tell. But it was bloody good and mercifully shorter than last weeks. In fact it was entertaining.

He’s always been an excellent liar/bullshitter - he’s had plenty of practice. As for entertaining, well that’s not really what he’s there for is it. You’re clearly easily pleased.

[George M]

It was a good , solid speech that will keep the Conservatives in power for a while to come . There is , at least , the makings of a plan in there

It was better than good. I’m no Boris lover, but the speech was full of ideas, passion, humour and vision. Who knows whether it can or cannot be done, time will tell. But it was bloody good and mercifully shorter than last weeks. In fact it was entertaining.

He’s always been an excellent liar/bullshitter - he’s had plenty of practice. As for entertaining, well that’s not really what he’s there for is it. You’re clearly easily pleased.

Good salesman don’t bore you to death with stories about their family. They sell you a dream

[Story of O]

Which then turns into a nightmare

[Dohnut]

It was better than good. I’m no Boris lover, but the speech was full of ideas, passion, humour and vision. Who knows whether it can or cannot be done, time will tell. But it was bloody good and mercifully shorter than last weeks. In fact it was entertaining.

He’s always been an excellent liar/bullshitter - he’s had plenty of practice. As for entertaining, well that’s not really what he’s there for is it. You’re clearly easily pleased.

Good salesman don’t bore you to death with stories about their family. They sell you a dream

Got it in one. Conference banter. Not for me about what you will be doing next Monday morning. It’s about outlining a vision for the future. Painting a picture, showing what you stand for. We all know it’s glossed up. But it’s about setting out a vision and creating the belief it’s actually possible. Even in the long term. Though probably not but Something worth working for. And sold in some style.

A long term plan, for sure with bumps along the way and probably missed targets.

I know what Johnson stands for. I haven’t a clue what Labour really stands for, though to be fair to Starmer he is giving it a go. His speech was OK, ticked a lot of boxes. I’m sure he will improve his presentation skills next time.

[Dohnut]

Which then turns into a nightmare

We will all have to wait and see on that one. Problem is we will never know if under Starmer the nightmare would be any different.

But for sure, there is going to be a few nightmares on the way.