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Labour lose deposit in Tiverton and Honiton.

https://inews.co.uk/news/politics/tiver ... ry-1704024

Tactical voting. There's clearly a behind the scenes pact between Labour and Lib Dems.

Labours vote in Wakefield was the lowest since 1931, just 13,000 votes
Under Corbyn in 2017 Labour polled 23,000 votes, and even 2019, which was an electoral disaster for Labour, they still polled 17,000 votes.
The stay aways won that election yesterday.
Starmer is an electoral liability, and will cost Labour many seats, if he's still leading the party in 2024

ComeOnYouOs wrote: ↑Fri Jun 24, 2022 10:12 am Labours vote in Wakefield was the lowest since 1931, just 13,000 votes
Under Corbyn in 2017 Labour polled 23,000 votes, and even 2019, which was an electoral disaster for Labour, they still polled 17,000 votes.
The stay aways won that election yesterday.
Starmer is an electoral liability, and will cost Labour many seats, if he's still leading the party in 2024

Sad, but probably true.

I feel sure that the Labour Party are happy enough to lose their deposit if it means the Tory majority is decreased.

ComeOnYouOs wrote: ↑Fri Jun 24, 2022 10:12 am Labours vote in Wakefield was the lowest since 1931, just 13,000 votes
Under Corbyn in 2017 Labour polled 23,000 votes, and even 2019, which was an electoral disaster for Labour, they still polled 17,000 votes.
The stay aways won that election yesterday.
Starmer is an electoral liability, and will cost Labour many seats, if he's still leading the party in 2024

My good God, you’re right.

I was taking the mick about the Tiverton seat. This result from Wakefield is far worse.

Yeah. A win is a win, but it's difficult to look at the results and not conclude that this was lost by the Tories, as opposed to won by Labour.

Dunners wrote: ↑Fri Jun 24, 2022 10:37 am Yeah. A win is a win, but it's difficult to look at the results and not conclude that this was lost by the Tories, as opposed to won by Labour.

...saying that, the turnout was low overall anyway, as is to be expected for a by election. So, relatively speaking, this cannot be used to skewer SurBeer just yet.

All you doubters can shut it, Sir Tony has said Labour are on the mend after the Corbyn years...

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/t ... 57b23fe9fe

Gary the Plumber wrote: ↑Thu Jun 30, 2022 1:52 pm All you doubters can shut it, Sir Tony has said Labour are on the mend after the Corbyn years...

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/t ... 57b23fe9fe

He says the party "has recovered" but "needs a clearer sense of direction".

contradictory and vacuous.

Please help me with this; I watch UK politics from the outside so I am not able to follow all the debates, but wouldn`t Yvette Cooper be a much better leader of the Labour Party?

In 2015 she ran as a candidate to be Leader of the Labour Party loosing to Jeremy Corbyn and only came third. Women tend not to be very successful in the Labour Party.

Bergen wrote: ↑Sat Jul 09, 2022 9:43 pm Please help me with this; I watch UK politics from the outside so I am not able to follow all the debates, but wouldn`t Yvette Cooper be a much better leader of the Labour Party?

I have no idea, but for any of them to demonstrate whether they'd be a good leader they'd first need to win a general election. And right now that still appears to be a problem for Labour for a number of reasons.

Someone like Yvette struggles to shake off the Metropolitan Elite Remoaner image stereotype in the key marginal constituencies in England. And if you're unable to get those swing voters to come out for Labour then they will always struggle to win.

And before you get to even worry about the English swing voters, you need to win a leadership contest and be appojnted by the UK Labour party membership. And they are the polar opposite of the voters that will matter in a GE. So you will make them promises which you will have to break, and that's something they tend not to forget. This is all something that SurKier struggles with too.

It will be interesting to see how the Tories deal with this conundrum, as they're also affected by these problems too. Johnson managed to tick two out of three of the essential criteria. He was popular with the English marginal swing voters, and with a large swathes of the party membership.

But he was never popular with Tory MPs. In fact, most of them have always hated him. They just tolerated him because he ticked the first two, and they were never confident that they had an alternative from within.

No confidence vote don't make me laugh.

It'd be like the Turkeys voting for xmas.

JimbO wrote: ↑Tue Jul 12, 2022 10:30 am No confidence vote don't make me laugh.

It'd be like the Turkeys voting for xmas.

Not sure what else the so-called opposition can do. I suppose it means they can list all the Tory MPs who've suddenly found out the meaning of the word integrity, and have been blowing hard about how terrible Boris is, and yet still line up in the lobby to support him staying in No10. Of course most, if not all, Tory MPs will oppose such a motion, but then it's easy to paint them as both hypocritical and acting purely out of self interest.

But that's about all it will achieve, I think.

The country needs a leader, its the right thing to do.

Antisemitism issue used as ‘factional weapon’ in Labour, report finds

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... port-finds

“Both sides believed the other was trying to sabotage their work”.



What does this even mean? Both sides?

Starmer now has a 3 word slogan (actually just one word said 3 times) and it sounds like something a surgeon would need to attend to:
"growth, growth, growth"

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... mic-growth

Fanciful collection of words, a bit like the current posturing from Tory leadership contenders but without Ruanda as the centrepiece.

Starmer says nothing about the cost of housing, transport, living, the desperate lack of decent and affordable housing, nothing about the erosion of democratic expression, nothing about the wastage of food due to lack of workers for food processing, slaughtering and harvesting (as consequence of brexit) etc. etc. And this is what he proudly presents with the slogan "Labour under new management"!

E10EU wrote: ↑Mon Jul 25, 2022 12:22 am Starmer now has a 3 word slogan (actually just one word said 3 times) and it sounds like something a surgeon would need to attend to:
"growth, growth, growth"

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... mic-growth

Fanciful collection of words, a bit like the current posturing from Tory leadership contenders but without Ruanda as the centrepiece.

Starmer says nothing about the cost of housing, transport, living, the desperate lack of decent and affordable housing, nothing about the erosion of democratic expression, nothing about the wastage of food due to lack of workers for food processing, slaughtering and harvesting (as consequence of brexit) etc. etc. And this is what he proudly presents with the slogan "Labour under new management"!

Arise Sir Kier Once-ler!

‘Biggering, biggering, biggering!’

Delicious

Bonkers

Politics is weird right now eh?

Predictable Starmer move, really. Positioning themselves as the Tory Second XI might give them a term in Office where their grey managerialism won’t change a thing.

According to a Labour Spokesperson, Sam Tarry was sacked for breaking rules in "making unauthorised media appearances" and not for appearing on the picket line.

Cue THAT gif...