Ronnie Hotdogs wrote: ↑Fri Feb 11, 2022 3:01 pm
Pretty sure the reason they’re bankrupt is because of Corbyns court cases.
What court cases?
Labour are broke because 200,000 members left, and they not paying a subscription any more, plus 2 unions not giving Labour any funds now, because they have left their working class roots.
A general election now, would finish Labour off financially
They would lose it too, despite Johnson and his unpopularity.
Starmer is a liability
Ronnie Hotdogs wrote: ↑Fri Feb 11, 2022 3:01 pm
Pretty sure the reason they’re bankrupt is because of Corbyns court cases.
What court cases?
Labour are broke because 200,000 members left, and they not paying a subscription any more, plus 2 unions not giving Labour any funds now, because they have left their working class roots.
A general election now, would finish Labour off financially
They would lose it too, despite Johnson and his unpopularity.
Starmer is a liability
Who would you vote for in a general election?
Broke is an interesting and important point. Whilst parties are beholden to business or unions then external pressures will continue to be applied. Starmer is under pressure right now from Unite, I think. Could be someone else. And of course the Tories always listen to big funders.
I wonder if it’s time for the state to fund parties, level playing field stuff. Parties that historically command a decent percentage of the vote (not seats). Then parties are free to produce policy in line with what the party feel they should be.
On the question of Starmer being a liability. I would argue right now Boris is the bigger liability and Starmer, with the right
policies would have a half decent chance. He is let down by a lack of gravitas. Needs to up his image. Boring. But that don’t mean not able.
Re: Labour Watch
Posted: Fri Feb 11, 2022 4:18 pm
by Ronnie Hotdogs
The tories aren’t beholden to Business. They’re beholden to a handful of billionaire/millionaire business owners. Whose interests you somehow believe align with yours. Bizarre.
Re: Labour Watch
Posted: Fri Feb 11, 2022 4:27 pm
by Dohnut
Ronnie Hotdogs wrote: ↑Fri Feb 11, 2022 4:18 pm
The tories aren’t beholden to Business. They’re beholden to a handful of billionaire/millionaire business owners. Whose interests you somehow believe align with yours. Bizarre.
I did of course say *big funders” in my post, you must have missed that, which is exactly the point you have made. And you have absolutely no way of knowing if their interests align with mine. That is just malicious garbage.
Ronnie Hotdogs wrote: ↑Fri Feb 11, 2022 4:18 pm
The tories aren’t beholden to Business. They’re beholden to a handful of billionaire/millionaire business owners. Whose interests you somehow believe align with yours. Bizarre.
I did of course say *big funders” in my post, you must have missed that, which is exactly the point you have made. And you have absolutely no way of knowing if their interests align with mine. That is just malicious garbage.
Id be willing to bet that their interests don’t align with yours, as much as you fool yourself that they do
Ronnie Hotdogs wrote: ↑Fri Feb 11, 2022 4:18 pm
The tories aren’t beholden to Business. They’re beholden to a handful of billionaire/millionaire business owners. Whose interests you somehow believe align with yours. Bizarre.
I did of course say *big funders” in my post, you must have missed that, which is exactly the point you have made. And you have absolutely no way of knowing if their interests align with mine. That is just malicious garbage.
“Whilst parties are beholden to business or unions then external pressures”
Your words dohy.
And no, their interests do not align with yours. Sorry.
Ronnie Hotdogs wrote: ↑Fri Feb 11, 2022 4:18 pm
The tories aren’t beholden to Business. They’re beholden to a handful of billionaire/millionaire business owners. Whose interests you somehow believe align with yours. Bizarre.
I did of course say *big funders” in my post, you must have missed that, which is exactly the point you have made. And you have absolutely no way of knowing if their interests align with mine. That is just malicious garbage.
“Whilst parties are beholden to business or unions then external pressures”
Your words dohy.
And no, their interests do not align with yours. Sorry.
I did say they listen to big funders. But let’s not split hairs. That sort of thing gets tedious. And you have no idea how their ideas align to mine. You don’t know me nor my ideas and neither do you know theirs. You just think you do which is a whole different thing.
Re: Labour Watch
Posted: Fri Feb 11, 2022 5:44 pm
by Ronnie Hotdogs
I didn’t say ideas, I said interests.
It’s very possible your ‘ideas’ do align with theirs.
What court cases?
Labour are broke because 200,000 members left, and they not paying a subscription any more, plus 2 unions not giving Labour any funds now, because they have left their working class roots.
A general election now, would finish Labour off financially
They would lose it too, despite Johnson and his unpopularity.
Starmer is a liability
Who would you vote for in a general election?
Broke is an interesting and important point. Whilst parties are beholden to business or unions then external pressures will continue to be applied. Starmer is under pressure right now from Unite, I think. Could be someone else. And of course the Tories always listen to big funders.
I wonder if it’s time for the state to fund parties, level playing field stuff. Parties that historically command a decent percentage of the vote (not seats). Then parties are free to produce policy in line with what the party feel they should be.
On the question of Starmer being a liability. I would argue right now Boris is the bigger liability and Starmer, with the right
policies would have a half decent chance. He is let down by a lack of gravitas. Needs to up his image. Boring. But that don’t mean not able.
Billionaire Tory donor calls for Boris Johnson to resign
John Armitage, who has given £3.1m to the Conservatives, says PM has gone ’past the point of no return’
Broke is an interesting and important point. Whilst parties are beholden to business or unions then external pressures will continue to be applied. Starmer is under pressure right now from Unite, I think. Could be someone else. And of course the Tories always listen to big funders.
I wonder if it’s time for the state to fund parties, level playing field stuff. Parties that historically command a decent percentage of the vote (not seats). Then parties are free to produce policy in line with what the party feel they should be.
On the question of Starmer being a liability. I would argue right now Boris is the bigger liability and Starmer, with the right
policies would have a half decent chance. He is let down by a lack of gravitas. Needs to up his image. Boring. But that don’t mean not able.
Billionaire Tory donor calls for Boris Johnson to resign
John Armitage, who has given £3.1m to the Conservatives, says PM has gone ’past the point of no return’
Broke is an interesting and important point. Whilst parties are beholden to business or unions then external pressures will continue to be applied. Starmer is under pressure right now from Unite, I think. Could be someone else. And of course the Tories always listen to big funders.
I wonder if it’s time for the state to fund parties, level playing field stuff. Parties that historically command a decent percentage of the vote (not seats). Then parties are free to produce policy in line with what the party feel they should be.
On the question of Starmer being a liability. I would argue right now Boris is the bigger liability and Starmer, with the right
policies would have a half decent chance. He is let down by a lack of gravitas. Needs to up his image. Boring. But that don’t mean not able.
Billionaire Tory donor calls for Boris Johnson to resign
John Armitage, who has given £3.1m to the Conservatives, says PM has gone ’past the point of no return’
The former House of Commons Speaker John Bercow has been found to be a “serial bully” and liar by an independent inquiry, which has banned him from holding a parliamentary pass and said he could have been expelled from the Commons if still an MP.
The former House of Commons Speaker John Bercow has been found to be a “serial bully” and liar by an independent inquiry, which has banned him from holding a parliamentary pass and said he could have been expelled from the Commons if still an MP.
The former House of Commons Speaker John Bercow has been found to be a “serial bully” and liar by an independent inquiry, which has banned him from holding a parliamentary pass and said he could have been expelled from the Commons if still an MP.
The former House of Commons Speaker John Bercow has been found to be a “serial bully” and liar by an independent inquiry, which has banned him from holding a parliamentary pass and said he could have been expelled from the Commons if still an MP.
Labour Watch?
But he was a Tory when alledged shouting & phone throwing occured .
Why didnt they attack him when he was still a Tory ?
Re: Labour Watch
Posted: Tue Mar 08, 2022 8:51 pm
by faldO
tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 08, 2022 7:53 pm
But he was a Tory when alledged shouting & phone throwing occured .
Why didnt they attack him when he was still a Tory ?
He had his supporters and detractors on both side of the house, and he himself has always strenuously denied any wrongdoing, and still refuses to accept the judgment or any wrongdoing on his part. A formal investigation whilst he was still a Tory was blocked by MPs on the commons standards committee : https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... ing-claims
Anyway, he has now been suspended from the Labour Party following the ruling, we must avoid upsetting Gary the Plumber any further by discussing it here, and any further discussion should take place on the Tory Watch thread.
In an article “Rachel Riley deserves every bit of compensation for the hard-Left abuse she’s endured” (23 December 2021) written by Ian Austin, we suggested that Laura Murray, a former staff member at the Labour Party, was an “anti-Jewish racist” and part of the “vile anti-Semitism of Corbyn’s Labour” who had been stood up to by Rachel Riley during a recent court case. These allegations were and are untrue. We accept that there was and is no basis to suggest that Ms Murray is anti-Semitic. On the contrary; the court heard in unchallenged evidence that Ms Murray devoted significant time and energy to confronting and challenging antisemitism within the Labour Party whilst she was employed there. The Telegraph and Ian Austin apologise to Ms Murray. We have agreed to pay her substantial damages.
