Tory Watch

[George M]

At least we now know with absolute certainty who was behind the Thor character.

You do . Its George with a reasoned and sympathetic view

[George M]

We have food shortages
we have gas shortages
we have petrol shortages
we have HGV driver shortages
we have the worst inflation for ages.....and still the media dont hold Johnson and the Tories to account

The Tories told us this is what would happen if we voted for Corbyn, and voted to remain in the EU in 2019

" Were a safe pair of hands" said the Tories at the last election.

Never believe a Tory my old dad told me many years ago. As true then as it is now

Lefty Nonsense . All short term issues as a result of an unprecedented worldwide pandemic and Brexit . Most of the labour we relied on was either told to leave , or decided to leave rather than be locked up in their house with no work.
There were no HGV testing facilities during the pandemic so testing centres are playing catch up . So food , petrol , and driver shortages are as a result of that .
Inflation will always rise when there are not enough goods to go around .
All Brexit voters would have known all this , of course , when they voted to leave .

I suspect that if the pandemic had started a year earlier , we would still be in the EU . Our departure would have been suspended and then possibly cancelled .

Lets see where we are in 5 years

[Rich Tea Wellin]

We have food shortages
we have gas shortages
we have petrol shortages
we have HGV driver shortages
we have the worst inflation for ages.....and still the media dont hold Johnson and the Tories to account

The Tories told us this is what would happen if we voted for Corbyn, and voted to remain in the EU in 2019

" Were a safe pair of hands" said the Tories at the last election.

Never believe a Tory my old dad told me many years ago. As true then as it is now

Lefty Nonsense . All short term issues as a result of an unprecedented worldwide pandemic and Brexit . Most of the labour we relied on was either told to leave , or decided to leave rather than be locked up in their house with no work.
There were no HGV testing facilities during the pandemic so testing centres are playing catch up . So food , petrol , and driver shortages are as a result of that .
Inflation will always rise when there are not enough goods to go around .
All Brexit voters would have known all this , of course , when they voted to leave .

I suspect that if the pandemic had started a year earlier , we would still be in the EU . Our departure would have been suspended and then possibly cancelled .

Lets see where we are in 5 years

Who's job was it to put HGV testing facilities in place?

[Ronnie Hotdogs]

Stop asking unnecessary difficult questions, try to help instead.

They’re doing their best in unprecedented circumstances.

Have you ever been a prime minister? No, so shut up.

At least it’s not Corbin.

[Max B Gold]

We have food shortages
we have gas shortages
we have petrol shortages
we have HGV driver shortages
we have the worst inflation for ages.....and still the media dont hold Johnson and the Tories to account

The Tories told us this is what would happen if we voted for Corbyn, and voted to remain in the EU in 2019

" Were a safe pair of hands" said the Tories at the last election.

Never believe a Tory my old dad told me many years ago. As true then as it is now

Lefty Nonsense . All short term issues as a result of an unprecedented worldwide pandemic and Brexit . Most of the labour we relied on was either told to leave , or decided to leave rather than be locked up in their house with no work.
There were no HGV testing facilities during the pandemic so testing centres are playing catch up . So food , petrol , and driver shortages are as a result of that .
Inflation will always rise when there are not enough goods to go around .
All Brexit voters would have known all this , of course , when they voted to leave .

I suspect that if the pandemic had started a year earlier , we would still be in the EU . Our departure would have been suspended and then possibly cancelled .

Lets see where we are in 5 years

What alias will you be spouting this drivel under in 5 years Thorge?

[George M]

We have food shortages
we have gas shortages
we have petrol shortages
we have HGV driver shortages
we have the worst inflation for ages.....and still the media dont hold Johnson and the Tories to account

The Tories told us this is what would happen if we voted for Corbyn, and voted to remain in the EU in 2019

" Were a safe pair of hands" said the Tories at the last election.

Never believe a Tory my old dad told me many years ago. As true then as it is now

Lefty Nonsense . All short term issues as a result of an unprecedented worldwide pandemic and Brexit . Most of the labour we relied on was either told to leave , or decided to leave rather than be locked up in their house with no work.
There were no HGV testing facilities during the pandemic so testing centres are playing catch up . So food , petrol , and driver shortages are as a result of that .
Inflation will always rise when there are not enough goods to go around .
All Brexit voters would have known all this , of course , when they voted to leave .

I suspect that if the pandemic had started a year earlier , we would still be in the EU . Our departure would have been suspended and then possibly cancelled .

Lets see where we are in 5 years

Who's job was it to put HGV testing facilities in place?

Think you are missing the point . There was limited testing during the pandemic . Would you have sat in a cab with a stranger . They were not testing . Same with driving tests . There is a backlog

[Ronnie Hotdogs]

We have food shortages
we have gas shortages
we have petrol shortages
we have HGV driver shortages
we have the worst inflation for ages.....and still the media dont hold Johnson and the Tories to account

The Tories told us this is what would happen if we voted for Corbyn, and voted to remain in the EU in 2019

" Were a safe pair of hands" said the Tories at the last election.

Never believe a Tory my old dad told me many years ago. As true then as it is now

Lefty Nonsense . All short term issues as a result of an unprecedented worldwide pandemic and Brexit . Most of the labour we relied on was either told to leave , or decided to leave rather than be locked up in their house with no work.
There were no HGV testing facilities during the pandemic so testing centres are playing catch up . So food , petrol , and driver shortages are as a result of that .
Inflation will always rise when there are not enough goods to go around .
All Brexit voters would have known all this , of course , when they voted to leave .

I suspect that if the pandemic had started a year earlier , we would still be in the EU . Our departure would have been suspended and then possibly cancelled .

Lets see where we are in 5 years

What alias will you be spouting this drivel under in 5 years Thorge?

Chris from LBC

[George M]

We have food shortages
we have gas shortages
we have petrol shortages
we have HGV driver shortages
we have the worst inflation for ages.....and still the media dont hold Johnson and the Tories to account

The Tories told us this is what would happen if we voted for Corbyn, and voted to remain in the EU in 2019

" Were a safe pair of hands" said the Tories at the last election.

Never believe a Tory my old dad told me many years ago. As true then as it is now

Lefty Nonsense . All short term issues as a result of an unprecedented worldwide pandemic and Brexit . Most of the labour we relied on was either told to leave , or decided to leave rather than be locked up in their house with no work.
There were no HGV testing facilities during the pandemic so testing centres are playing catch up . So food , petrol , and driver shortages are as a result of that .
Inflation will always rise when there are not enough goods to go around .
All Brexit voters would have known all this , of course , when they voted to leave .

I suspect that if the pandemic had started a year earlier , we would still be in the EU . Our departure would have been suspended and then possibly cancelled .

Lets see where we are in 5 years

What alias will you be spouting this drivel under in 5 years Thorge?

Stop being a fool . You are better than that. If in 5 years i can still be bothered to post , i will still be George . Just like i have been since i joined . This is an Orient forum , not a Labour forum . Next thing you will be telling us that there was zero homeless and zero unemployment under Labour . If that was the case , what did they do with all the spare benefit money

[George M]

We have food shortages
we have gas shortages
we have petrol shortages
we have HGV driver shortages
we have the worst inflation for ages.....and still the media dont hold Johnson and the Tories to account

The Tories told us this is what would happen if we voted for Corbyn, and voted to remain in the EU in 2019

" Were a safe pair of hands" said the Tories at the last election.

Never believe a Tory my old dad told me many years ago. As true then as it is now

Lefty Nonsense . All short term issues as a result of an unprecedented worldwide pandemic and Brexit . Most of the labour we relied on was either told to leave , or decided to leave rather than be locked up in their house with no work.
There were no HGV testing facilities during the pandemic so testing centres are playing catch up . So food , petrol , and driver shortages are as a result of that .
Inflation will always rise when there are not enough goods to go around .
All Brexit voters would have known all this , of course , when they voted to leave .

I suspect that if the pandemic had started a year earlier , we would still be in the EU . Our departure would have been suspended and then possibly cancelled .

Lets see where we are in 5 years

What alias will you be spouting this drivel under in 5 years Thorge?

Feel free to point out which bits are drivel .

[Max B Gold]

Lefty Nonsense . All short term issues as a result of an unprecedented worldwide pandemic and Brexit . Most of the labour we relied on was either told to leave , or decided to leave rather than be locked up in their house with no work.
There were no HGV testing facilities during the pandemic so testing centres are playing catch up . So food , petrol , and driver shortages are as a result of that .
Inflation will always rise when there are not enough goods to go around .
All Brexit voters would have known all this , of course , when they voted to leave .

I suspect that if the pandemic had started a year earlier , we would still be in the EU . Our departure would have been suspended and then possibly cancelled .

Lets see where we are in 5 years

What alias will you be spouting this drivel under in 5 years Thorge?

Feel free to point out which bits are drivel .

All of it. HTH.

[Millennial Snowflake]

FFS getting back to the original argument now - don't want to go all still wrong

The govt can't be blamed for making families homeless if a private landlord chooses to legally evict a tenant

Screaming scummy and nasty party doesn't fix things for these ppl, but then I've never associated the left with wanting to solve problems

Yes, they can be blamed.

This family have been evicted because the Government did not support them during the pandemic. It’s as simple as that.

That’s cool I don’t believe in personal responsibility either

[George M]

Facts are all there for anyone who can be bothered to look.
Bit like Starmer , good with the put downs but no answers to back it up

[Ronnie Hotdogs]

FFS getting back to the original argument now - don't want to go all still wrong

The govt can't be blamed for making families homeless if a private landlord chooses to legally evict a tenant

Screaming scummy and nasty party doesn't fix things for these ppl, but then I've never associated the left with wanting to solve problems

Yes, they can be blamed.

This family have been evicted because the Government did not support them during the pandemic. It’s as simple as that.

That’s cool I don’t believe in personal responsibility either

I believe in a safety net to catch people that fall on difficult times. Especially when those difficult times are brought about by a lengthy global pandemic.

You’d have to be some sort of nasty scummy c*nt to think differently.

[Mistadobalina]

FFS getting back to the original argument now - don't want to go all still wrong

The govt can't be blamed for making families homeless if a private landlord chooses to legally evict a tenant

Screaming scummy and nasty party doesn't fix things for these ppl, but then I've never associated the left with wanting to solve problems

Yes, they can be blamed.

This family have been evicted because the Government did not support them during the pandemic. It’s as simple as that.

That’s cool I don’t believe in personal responsibility either

Both working people but were near breadline. When did being well off equate to being responsible? Are low income people supposed to not have families or something?

Obviously the bigger failure here is the wider lack of tenant rights, shortage of social housing for low income families, financialisation of housing market, people slipping through cracks of covid support.

But yeah, let's have a pop at someone who works at a cafe for wanting kids.

F*ck me.

[Rich Tea Wellin]

Lefty Nonsense . All short term issues as a result of an unprecedented worldwide pandemic and Brexit . Most of the labour we relied on was either told to leave , or decided to leave rather than be locked up in their house with no work.
There were no HGV testing facilities during the pandemic so testing centres are playing catch up . So food , petrol , and driver shortages are as a result of that .
Inflation will always rise when there are not enough goods to go around .
All Brexit voters would have known all this , of course , when they voted to leave .

I suspect that if the pandemic had started a year earlier , we would still be in the EU . Our departure would have been suspended and then possibly cancelled .

Lets see where we are in 5 years

Who's job was it to put HGV testing facilities in place?

Think you are missing the point . There was limited testing during the pandemic . Would you have sat in a cab with a stranger . They were not testing . Same with driving tests . There is a backlog

I'll ask again...why was there limited testing during the pandemic?

[tuffers#1]

Who's job was it to put HGV testing facilities in place?

Think you are missing the point . There was limited testing during the pandemic . Would you have sat in a cab with a stranger . They were not testing . Same with driving tests . There is a backlog

I'll ask again...why was there limited testing during the pandemic?

He cant or wont Answer Wumbs

[tuffers#1]

Indeed Frankfurter is Fully Correct on this point .

If the goverment had supported the thousands who are being evicted up &
down the country during the pandemic there would be an 80% + fall in evictions now.

The Story Party claims homelessness is not rising as this article clearly states .

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.standa ... html%3famp

But also Homeless deaths have Risen under this
Sorry f*cking excuse of a Government .

https://www.theguardian.com/society/202 ... tudy-finds

Does it not say that homelessness is rising but below pre pandemic levels. That does not appear to indicate that it was/is the pandemic that was the major cause.
The case in question was unfortunate . Enough help financially has been given during the pandemic . Probably more could have been done to help people in his situation .
Perhaps you should mention the good measures that were introduced that helped millions of people survive the pandemic that otherwise would not have done rather than concentrating on this individual.
The fact is that , as usual , plenty of people would have used the pandemic as as excuse not to pay rent. Difficult to separate the honest who are really in need of help , and the cheating scum who rinse the system

It shows they didnt have a clue How many People were being made Homeless pre pandemic .

How does a Government not know or care about evictions ?

Johnson said recently there was no problem yet agencies dealing with the problem it
had gathered information from charities dealing with the problem clearly show there are .

£29 Billion on failed track & trace certainly helped someone during the pamdemic
as did The Share bought by Hancocks Sister .

If it wasnt for Rashford , kids would have gone Hungry
Etc Etc etc


Are those the measures you wanted me to mention ?

[tuffers#1]

FFS getting back to the original argument now - don't want to go all still wrong

The govt can't be blamed for making families homeless if a private landlord chooses to legally evict a tenant

Screaming scummy and nasty party doesn't fix things for these ppl, but then I've never associated the left with wanting to solve problems

Yes, they can be blamed.

This family have been evicted because the Government did not support them during the pandemic. It’s as simple as that.

That’s cool I don’t believe in personal responsibility either

Johnson 3-03-19
go to work as normal 1000 deaths
johnson 10-03-19
go to work as normal 2000 deaths
Johnson 17-03-2019
Errr dont go to work as normal 10000 deaths & rising .

we are still waiting for personal Responsibility from 10 Downing Street

[George M]

Who's job was it to put HGV testing facilities in place?

Think you are missing the point . There was limited testing during the pandemic . Would you have sat in a cab with a stranger . They were not testing . Same with driving tests . There is a backlog

I'll ask again...why was there limited testing during the pandemic?

Have you forgotten lockdown. They were not working I’m the numbers required

[George M]

Indeed Frankfurter is Fully Correct on this point .

If the goverment had supported the thousands who are being evicted up &
down the country during the pandemic there would be an 80% + fall in evictions now.

The Story Party claims homelessness is not rising as this article clearly states .

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.standa ... html%3famp

But also Homeless deaths have Risen under this
Sorry f*cking excuse of a Government .

https://www.theguardian.com/society/202 ... tudy-finds

Does it not say that homelessness is rising but below pre pandemic levels. That does not appear to indicate that it was/is the pandemic that was the major cause.
The case in question was unfortunate . Enough help financially has been given during the pandemic . Probably more could have been done to help people in his situation .
Perhaps you should mention the good measures that were introduced that helped millions of people survive the pandemic that otherwise would not have done rather than concentrating on this individual.
The fact is that , as usual , plenty of people would have used the pandemic as as excuse not to pay rent. Difficult to separate the honest who are really in need of help , and the cheating scum who rinse the system

It shows they didnt have a clue How many People were being made Homeless pre pandemic .

How does a Government not know or care about evictions ?

Johnson said recently there was no problem yet agencies dealing with the problem it
had gathered information from charities dealing with the problem clearly show there are .

£29 Billion on failed track & trace certainly helped someone during the pamdemic
as did The Share bought by Hancocks Sister .

If it wasnt for Rashford , kids would have gone Hungry
Etc Etc etc


Are those the measures you wanted me to mention ?

No , but you said it was during the pandemic. I just read your link where it said it was worst pre pandemic

[George M]

Yes, they can be blamed.

This family have been evicted because the Government did not support them during the pandemic. It’s as simple as that.

That’s cool I don’t believe in personal responsibility either

Johnson 3-03-19
go to work as normal 1000 deaths
johnson 10-03-19
go to work as normal 2000 deaths
Johnson 17-03-2019
Errr dont go to work as normal 10000 deaths & rising .

we are still waiting for personal Responsibility from 10 Downing Street

No amount of measures would have made a difference. You were quoting Australia as a shining light. Now look at them. Still locked down. No immunity. No exit strategy. Is all they have done is delayed the inevitable.
Of course this Government got things wrong. So has every Government. So would a Labour Government.

[Rich Tea Wellin]

Think you are missing the point . There was limited testing during the pandemic . Would you have sat in a cab with a stranger . They were not testing . Same with driving tests . There is a backlog

I'll ask again...why was there limited testing during the pandemic?

Have you forgotten lockdown. They were not working I’m the numbers required

I know what happened, but you appear to have forgotten.

Almost sound like an apologist for this baffling, historically bad government. But surely not.

[George M]

I'll ask again...why was there limited testing during the pandemic?

Have you forgotten lockdown. They were not working I’m the numbers required

I know what happened, but you appear to have forgotten.

Almost sound like an apologist for this baffling, historically bad government. But surely not.

Work from home , social distance, only mix with immediate family , furlough. Speak to an instructor. Everyone knows one .
It was alright for you to sit indoors but not for the driving instructor. Now I get it

[George M]

I'll ask again...why was there limited testing during the pandemic?

Have you forgotten lockdown. They were not working I’m the numbers required

I know what happened, but you appear to have forgotten.

Almost sound like an apologist for this baffling, historically bad government. But surely not.

And we were not discussing a historically bad Government. We were talking , in the main , about driver shortages. I expect I would agree on many of the historically bad Government decisions. Just as you may with a historically bad Labour Government. In Labours case , it would have to be historical

[tuffers#1]

Does it not say that homelessness is rising but below pre pandemic levels. That does not appear to indicate that it was/is the pandemic that was the major cause.
The case in question was unfortunate . Enough help financially has been given during the pandemic . Probably more could have been done to help people in his situation .
Perhaps you should mention the good measures that were introduced that helped millions of people survive the pandemic that otherwise would not have done rather than concentrating on this individual.
The fact is that , as usual , plenty of people would have used the pandemic as as excuse not to pay rent. Difficult to separate the honest who are really in need of help , and the cheating scum who rinse the system

It shows they didnt have a clue How many People were being made Homeless pre pandemic .

How does a Government not know or care about evictions ?

Johnson said recently there was no problem yet agencies dealing with the problem it
had gathered information from charities dealing with the problem clearly show there are .

£29 Billion on failed track & trace certainly helped someone during the pamdemic
as did The Share bought by Hancocks Sister .

If it wasnt for Rashford , kids would have gone Hungry
Etc Etc etc


Are those the measures you wanted me to mention ?

No , but you said it was during the pandemic. I just read your link where it said it was worst pre pandemic

Well Evictions were all but banned during the pandemic .
Remember when Priti said.burglary figures had fallen during the pandemic ?
err yes priti , hardly anyone was out .

This original eviction story is post Pandemic !
when i was evicted Council offices for re-housing were still closed .
How can you seriously start evicting people when coucil offices for re housing offices are closed ?