Independent Leyton Orient Forum

faldO wrote: ↑Wed Jul 21, 2021 7:06 am Dom saved the Queen's life - we should at least thank him for that.

BoniO wrote: ↑Wed Jul 21, 2021 7:04 pm Government fails to announce NHS pay rise today, and guess what, MP's are now off on their Holi-Jollies. The lack of respect for the NHS is hardly a surprise but this last failure is breathtaking in it's arrogance.

I know we're all mostly battered and bruised by Covid and one Government scam/scandal/cock-up after another but doesn't treating NHS workers like crap stick in anyone else's throats? Especially as, due to Government Policy, they are once again going have to go the extra mile, and then some, as Hospital admissions rise and critical bed use leaps upwards yet again.

PS - govt has just awarded a 3% rise but nothing to Doctors under Consultant level. Risible and looking like there may be Industrial action - I wish them well.

Millennial Snowflake wrote: ↑Wed Jul 21, 2021 7:44 pm They’re lucky to get 3% when the rest of the public sector has a pay freeze and thousands are being laid off due to the pandemic

Millennial Snowflake wrote: ↑Wed Jul 21, 2021 7:44 pm They’re lucky to get 3% when the rest of the public sector has a pay freeze and thousands are being laid off due to the pandemic

Currywurst and Chips wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 9:04 am The police and other civil servants who park in my car park tell me they'd be chuffed with a 3% rise when inflation is 2.5%.

Currywurst and Chips wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 9:04 am The police and other civil servants who park in my car park tell me they'd be chuffed with a 3% rise when inflation is 2.5%.

jamespevans wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 10:58 am

Currywurst and Chips wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 9:04 am The police and other civil servants who park in my car park tell me they'd be chuffed with a 3% rise when inflation is 2.5%.

My fellow (remote) University cleaners are loving their 1.5%

Millennial Snowflake wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 12:19 pm What do you think a reasonable salary for a cleaner is, Pevans?

Dunners wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 1:19 pm I do find people’s attitudes to this issue curious every time it comes up. When one group of workers get a piddling pay increase, it seems that the default response is to criticise them because other groups of workers haven’t. Why not instead congratulate them and use it as motivation to gang up with your fellow workers to negotiate something similar? How have we let ourselves be convinced that the former reaction is the appropriate one, and not the latter?

As for what is an appropriate salary for any worker, I think we need to take a step back. Back in the 1980s my Dad was a bus driver and my Mum a housewife. Yet, on his basic salary, our family of four were able to afford a mortgage for a modest three-bedroom house in perfectly respectable neighbourhoods of London and Essex.

I now know people earning fantastic salaries who have no chance of doing the same unless they are able to move to further flung and cheaper regions. Increasingly, younger people are looking at a lifetime of high living costs, low interest rates, inflation and without the dividend of being rent/mortgage free upon retirement. That’s if retirement is even an option for them.

Arguing over whether a 2.5% pay increase is appropriate or not is to spectacularly miss the point. Something has gone fundamentally wrong, as the money we are being paid simply isn’t worth what we’re being led to believe it is. We’ve all been had, and we’ve let it happen.

Dunners wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 1:19 pm I do find people’s attitudes to this issue curious every time it comes up. When one group of workers get a piddling pay increase, it seems that the default response is to criticise them because other groups of workers haven’t. Why not instead congratulate them and use it as motivation to gang up with your fellow workers to negotiate something similar? How have we let ourselves be convinced that the former reaction is the appropriate one, and not the latter?

As for what is an appropriate salary for any worker, I think we need to take a step back. Back in the 1980s my Dad was a bus driver and my Mum a housewife. Yet, on his basic salary, our family of four were able to afford a mortgage for a modest three-bedroom house in perfectly respectable neighbourhoods of London and Essex.

I now know people earning fantastic salaries who have no chance of doing the same unless they are able to move to further flung and cheaper regions. Increasingly, younger people are looking at a lifetime of high living costs, low interest rates, inflation and without the dividend of being rent/mortgage free upon retirement. That’s if retirement is even an option for them.

Arguing over whether a 2.5% pay increase is appropriate or not is to spectacularly miss the point. Something has gone fundamentally wrong, as the money we are being paid simply isn’t worth what we’re being led to believe it is. We’ve all been had, and we’ve let it happen.

Max B Gold wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 3:16 pm

Dunners wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 1:19 pm I do find people’s attitudes to this issue curious every time it comes up. When one group of workers get a piddling pay increase, it seems that the default response is to criticise them because other groups of workers haven’t. Why not instead congratulate them and use it as motivation to gang up with your fellow workers to negotiate something similar? How have we let ourselves be convinced that the former reaction is the appropriate one, and not the latter?

As for what is an appropriate salary for any worker, I think we need to take a step back. Back in the 1980s my Dad was a bus driver and my Mum a housewife. Yet, on his basic salary, our family of four were able to afford a mortgage for a modest three-bedroom house in perfectly respectable neighbourhoods of London and Essex.

I now know people earning fantastic salaries who have no chance of doing the same unless they are able to move to further flung and cheaper regions. Increasingly, younger people are looking at a lifetime of high living costs, low interest rates, inflation and without the dividend of being rent/mortgage free upon retirement. That’s if retirement is even an option for them.

Arguing over whether a 2.5% pay increase is appropriate or not is to spectacularly miss the point. Something has gone fundamentally wrong, as the money we are being paid simply isn’t worth what we’re being led to believe it is. We’ve all been had, and we’ve let it happen.

Never mind the 80's.

My dad was an engineer and in the 70's we had a mortgage on a four bed b*stard house AND, get this, a mobile home in Girvan where we spent the summers of 1971-74. I'm awfy fond o' Girvan, although the Foosties in the local Asda were up to £1.60 last week but in their Binwood store they are a whopping £1.70. Been hanging out on the Girvan beach during the unprecedented heatwave.

Max B Gold wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 3:16 pm

Dunners wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 1:19 pm I do find people’s attitudes to this issue curious every time it comes up. When one group of workers get a piddling pay increase, it seems that the default response is to criticise them because other groups of workers haven’t. Why not instead congratulate them and use it as motivation to gang up with your fellow workers to negotiate something similar? How have we let ourselves be convinced that the former reaction is the appropriate one, and not the latter?

As for what is an appropriate salary for any worker, I think we need to take a step back. Back in the 1980s my Dad was a bus driver and my Mum a housewife. Yet, on his basic salary, our family of four were able to afford a mortgage for a modest three-bedroom house in perfectly respectable neighbourhoods of London and Essex.

I now know people earning fantastic salaries who have no chance of doing the same unless they are able to move to further flung and cheaper regions. Increasingly, younger people are looking at a lifetime of high living costs, low interest rates, inflation and without the dividend of being rent/mortgage free upon retirement. That’s if retirement is even an option for them.

Arguing over whether a 2.5% pay increase is appropriate or not is to spectacularly miss the point. Something has gone fundamentally wrong, as the money we are being paid simply isn’t worth what we’re being led to believe it is. We’ve all been had, and we’ve let it happen.

Never mind the 80's.

My dad was an engineer and in the 70's we had a mortgage on a four bed b*stard house AND, get this, a mobile home in Girvan where we spent the summers of 1971-74. I'm awfy fond o' Girvan, although the Foosties in the local Asda were up to £1.60 last week but in their Binwood store they are a whopping £1.70. Been hanging out on the Girvan beach during the unprecedented heatwave.

Dunners wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 3:34 pm

Max B Gold wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 3:16 pm

Dunners wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 1:19 pm I do find people’s attitudes to this issue curious every time it comes up. When one group of workers get a piddling pay increase, it seems that the default response is to criticise them because other groups of workers haven’t. Why not instead congratulate them and use it as motivation to gang up with your fellow workers to negotiate something similar? How have we let ourselves be convinced that the former reaction is the appropriate one, and not the latter?

As for what is an appropriate salary for any worker, I think we need to take a step back. Back in the 1980s my Dad was a bus driver and my Mum a housewife. Yet, on his basic salary, our family of four were able to afford a mortgage for a modest three-bedroom house in perfectly respectable neighbourhoods of London and Essex.

I now know people earning fantastic salaries who have no chance of doing the same unless they are able to move to further flung and cheaper regions. Increasingly, younger people are looking at a lifetime of high living costs, low interest rates, inflation and without the dividend of being rent/mortgage free upon retirement. That’s if retirement is even an option for them.

Arguing over whether a 2.5% pay increase is appropriate or not is to spectacularly miss the point. Something has gone fundamentally wrong, as the money we are being paid simply isn’t worth what we’re being led to believe it is. We’ve all been had, and we’ve let it happen.

Never mind the 80's.

My dad was an engineer and in the 70's we had a mortgage on a four bed b*stard house AND, get this, a mobile home in Girvan where we spent the summers of 1971-74. I'm awfy fond o' Girvan, although the Foosties in the local Asda were up to £1.60 last week but in their Binwood store they are a whopping £1.70. Been hanging out on the Girvan beach during the unprecedented heatwave.

Girvan - It's no Argelès Plage, however you can grab a pint of Best in Flynn's after chomping on a battered cod in Graziano's.

Currywurst and Chips wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 3:28 pm

Max B Gold wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 3:16 pm

Dunners wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 1:19 pm I do find people’s attitudes to this issue curious every time it comes up. When one group of workers get a piddling pay increase, it seems that the default response is to criticise them because other groups of workers haven’t. Why not instead congratulate them and use it as motivation to gang up with your fellow workers to negotiate something similar? How have we let ourselves be convinced that the former reaction is the appropriate one, and not the latter?

As for what is an appropriate salary for any worker, I think we need to take a step back. Back in the 1980s my Dad was a bus driver and my Mum a housewife. Yet, on his basic salary, our family of four were able to afford a mortgage for a modest three-bedroom house in perfectly respectable neighbourhoods of London and Essex.

I now know people earning fantastic salaries who have no chance of doing the same unless they are able to move to further flung and cheaper regions. Increasingly, younger people are looking at a lifetime of high living costs, low interest rates, inflation and without the dividend of being rent/mortgage free upon retirement. That’s if retirement is even an option for them.

Arguing over whether a 2.5% pay increase is appropriate or not is to spectacularly miss the point. Something has gone fundamentally wrong, as the money we are being paid simply isn’t worth what we’re being led to believe it is. We’ve all been had, and we’ve let it happen.

Never mind the 80's.

My dad was an engineer and in the 70's we had a mortgage on a four bed b*stard house AND, get this, a mobile home in Girvan where we spent the summers of 1971-74. I'm awfy fond o' Girvan, although the Foosties in the local Asda were up to £1.60 last week but in their Binwood store they are a whopping £1.70. Been hanging out on the Girvan beach during the unprecedented heatwave.

My father-in-law is from Girvan

Sadly, has never had a mortgage, must've been the holiday homes jacking up the prices