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I know that was from Enter the dragon, but you are right. Although labour have historically needed scotland to win in westminster. The rise in strength of the snp and labour are now weaker than the conservatives there.tuffers#1 wrote: βSat Jun 19, 2021 1:24 amYou talk some utter twaddle
Yes, but whereas having a hand shandy is never a waste of time the same cannot be said for your posts.
IF Scotland voted to become independent, then virtually no opposition to a permanent Conservative government and even more so the case if Wales became independent, so Lefties beware of what you wish for ! Other options available to them would be to "up sticks" and move to the new "Socialist Heavens" of Wales and Scotland, but as proved when Trump gained power, the luvvies who pledged to leave the US if Trump won, soon forget their pledges and stayed where they were, talk is cheap !KVN wrote: βSat Jun 19, 2021 9:01 amI know that was from Enter the dragon, but you are right. Although labour have historically needed scotland to win in westminster. The rise in strength of the snp and labour are now weaker than the conservatives there.
If you north of England towards minority right wing parties and the conservatives. This highlights the conservative nature of england and shows that labour needs to dominate in scotland to win power. Which they are not.
Furthermore, last time labour were in power they where almost a conservative party in new labour under tony blair and the swing to the left under jeremy corbyn has damaged their popularity forcing them into a more centrally alligned party.
But again I do talk twaddle.
I agree if scotland left labour wouldn't win controll of westminster for the forseen future. They would be as relivant as the lib-dems.Sid Bishop wrote: βSat Jun 19, 2021 11:15 amIF Scotland voted to become independent, then virtually no opposition to a permanent Conservative government and even more so the case if Wales became independent, so Lefties beware of what you wish for ! Other options available to them would be to "up sticks" and move to the new "Socialist Heavens" of Wales and Scotland, but as proved when Trump gained power, the luvvies who pledged to leave the US if Trump won, soon forget their pledges and stayed where they were, talk is cheap !KVN wrote: βSat Jun 19, 2021 9:01 amI know that was from Enter the dragon, but you are right. Although labour have historically needed scotland to win in westminster. The rise in strength of the snp and labour are now weaker than the conservatives there.
If you north of England towards minority right wing parties and the conservatives. This highlights the conservative nature of england and shows that labour needs to dominate in scotland to win power. Which they are not.
Furthermore, last time labour were in power they where almost a conservative party in new labour under tony blair and the swing to the left under jeremy corbyn has damaged their popularity forcing them into a more centrally alligned party.
But again I do talk twaddle.
Even more so if Wales left !! At present, Tories and Labour have lost Scotland to the SNP and when it comes to votes in the House of Commons, SNP and Welsh non Tories normally back up the Labour Party ! As you correctly say, without the votes from these two countries, Labour would be on much the same level as the Lib -Dems !KVN wrote: βSat Jun 19, 2021 11:25 amI agree if scotland left labour wouldn't win controll of westminster for the forseen future. They would be as relivant as the lib-dems.Sid Bishop wrote: βSat Jun 19, 2021 11:15 amIF Scotland voted to become independent, then virtually no opposition to a permanent Conservative government and even more so the case if Wales became independent, so Lefties beware of what you wish for ! Other options available to them would be to "up sticks" and move to the new "Socialist Heavens" of Wales and Scotland, but as proved when Trump gained power, the luvvies who pledged to leave the US if Trump won, soon forget their pledges and stayed where they were, talk is cheap !KVN wrote: βSat Jun 19, 2021 9:01 am
I know that was from Enter the dragon, but you are right. Although labour have historically needed scotland to win in westminster. The rise in strength of the snp and labour are now weaker than the conservatives there.
If you north of England towards minority right wing parties and the conservatives. This highlights the conservative nature of england and shows that labour needs to dominate in scotland to win power. Which they are not.
Furthermore, last time labour were in power they where almost a conservative party in new labour under tony blair and the swing to the left under jeremy corbyn has damaged their popularity forcing them into a more centrally alligned party.
But again I do talk twaddle.
Yes yes
Nearly a conservative party ?KVN wrote: βSat Jun 19, 2021 9:01 amI know that was from Enter the dragon, but you are right. Although labour have historically needed scotland to win in westminster. The rise in strength of the snp and labour are now weaker than the conservatives there.
If you north of England towards minority right wing parties and the conservatives. This highlights the conservative nature of england and shows that labour needs to dominate in scotland to win power. Which they are not.
Furthermore, last time labour were in power they where almost a conservative party in new labour under tony blair and the swing to the left under jeremy corbyn has damaged their popularity forcing them into a more centrally alligned party.
But again I do talk twaddle.
Yes that is why they wan 3 elections in a row. But how long ago was that?tuffers#1 wrote: βSat Jun 19, 2021 12:51 pmNearly a conservative party ?KVN wrote: βSat Jun 19, 2021 9:01 amI know that was from Enter the dragon, but you are right. Although labour have historically needed scotland to win in westminster. The rise in strength of the snp and labour are now weaker than the conservatives there.
If you north of England towards minority right wing parties and the conservatives. This highlights the conservative nature of england and shows that labour needs to dominate in scotland to win power. Which they are not.
Furthermore, last time labour were in power they where almost a conservative party in new labour under tony blair and the swing to the left under jeremy corbyn has damaged their popularity forcing them into a more centrally alligned party.
But again I do talk twaddle.
Yeah thats why they wan 3 elections in a row .
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But if was Still Labour .KVN wrote: βSat Jun 19, 2021 3:04 pmYes that is why they wan 3 elections in a row. But how long ago was that?tuffers#1 wrote: βSat Jun 19, 2021 12:51 pmNearly a conservative party ?KVN wrote: βSat Jun 19, 2021 9:01 am
I know that was from Enter the dragon, but you are right. Although labour have historically needed scotland to win in westminster. The rise in strength of the snp and labour are now weaker than the conservatives there.
If you north of England towards minority right wing parties and the conservatives. This highlights the conservative nature of england and shows that labour needs to dominate in scotland to win power. Which they are not.
Furthermore, last time labour were in power they where almost a conservative party in new labour under tony blair and the swing to the left under jeremy corbyn has damaged their popularity forcing them into a more centrally alligned party.
But again I do talk twaddle.
Yeah thats why they wan 3 elections in a row .
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Why not have an election if there is no one to beat you. Good with the waiting,tuffers#1 wrote: βSat Jun 19, 2021 4:55 pmBut if was Still Labour .
1997 -2010 3 election wins on the trot over 13 years .
The tories coulndt win outright the 2010 election &
Have had to have 3 elections in 6 years
2015-2019 to try & get some kind of unstable government
By lying & cheating there way through .
β
We'll keep the RED flag flying high
Que ?KVN wrote: βSat Jun 19, 2021 7:45 pmWhy not have an election if there is no one to beat you. Good with the waiting,tuffers#1 wrote: βSat Jun 19, 2021 4:55 pmBut if was Still Labour .
1997 -2010 3 election wins on the trot over 13 years .
The tories coulndt win outright the 2010 election &
Have had to have 3 elections in 6 years
2015-2019 to try & get some kind of unstable government
By lying & cheating there way through .
β
We'll keep the RED flag flying high
Its not a risk because the tory's do not have anyone to challenge them. But if labour did get in they would be very similar to the tory's so much it would make little difference. Beacuse that it what happened under Blair.tuffers#1 wrote: βSat Jun 19, 2021 9:21 pmQue ?KVN wrote: βSat Jun 19, 2021 7:45 pmWhy not have an election if there is no one to beat you. Good with the waiting,tuffers#1 wrote: βSat Jun 19, 2021 4:55 pm
But if was Still Labour .
1997 -2010 3 election wins on the trot over 13 years .
The tories coulndt win outright the 2010 election &
Have had to have 3 elections in 6 years
2015-2019 to try & get some kind of unstable government
By lying & cheating there way through .
β
We'll keep the RED flag flying high
You are waffling !KVN wrote: βSun Jun 20, 2021 12:43 amIts not a risk because the tory's do not have anyone to challenge them. But if labour did get in they would be very similar to the tory's so much it would make little difference. Beacuse that it what happened under Blair.
That is what you are waiting to happen and when it does it wont make any difference.
You being deliberately stupid i said that the labour government had to turn tory to win those elections. I don't think the tory's are doing a good job, which makes it more sad that labour keeps losing to them time after timetuffers#1 wrote: βSun Jun 20, 2021 1:10 amYou are waffling !KVN wrote: βSun Jun 20, 2021 12:43 amIts not a risk because the tory's do not have anyone to challenge them. But if labour did get in they would be very similar to the tory's so much it would make little difference. Beacuse that it what happened under Blair.
That is what you are waiting to happen and when it does it wont make any difference.
Give it up .
As for the 3 elections
Cameron won in 2015 & called a brexit vote he lost .
He then resigned , tressamae rhen won an election but
Couldnt get tory rebels like gove weasel Mogg & Bodge
To tow the line . She held an election & lost .
Bodge won an election on getting #brexitdone ,
Which he claimed he did & now the Story Party are asking
The EU for an extension so they can get chilled meats &
Still trying to come to terms with boarder issues .
Are you sure you have followed whats been going on since 2015 ?
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you have no chance of a return to power, even more so if they get independance.The number of elections and not in question, they just dont mean anything.KVN wrote: βSun Jun 20, 2021 8:25 amYou being deliberately stupid i said that the labour government had to turn tory to win those elections. I don't think the tory's are doing a good job, which makes it more sad that labour keeps losing to them time after timetuffers#1 wrote: βSun Jun 20, 2021 1:10 amYou are waffling !KVN wrote: βSun Jun 20, 2021 12:43 am
Its not a risk because the tory's do not have anyone to challenge them. But if labour did get in they would be very similar to the tory's so much it would make little difference. Beacuse that it what happened under Blair.
That is what you are waiting to happen and when it does it wont make any difference.
Give it up .
As for the 3 elections
Cameron won in 2015 & called a brexit vote he lost .
He then resigned , tressamae rhen won an election but
Couldnt get tory rebels like gove weasel Mogg & Bodge
To tow the line . She held an election & lost .
Bodge won an election on getting #brexitdone ,
Which he claimed he did & now the Story Party are asking
The EU for an extension so they can get chilled meats &
Still trying to come to terms with boarder issues .
Are you sure you have followed whats been going on since 2015 ?.
Now that you lostyou have no chance of a return to power, even more so if they get independance.
Even Boris is beating you, the man clearly has lost control but labour can not capitalise on it.
But you keep waiting for the second coming.
