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Currywurst and Chips wrote: ↑Sun Apr 18, 2021 10:21 am This is quite serious

The story has been rumbling for a week and OOLO/BusinessTitanO still hasn't waded in with the "They're all the same" line

tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Tue Apr 20, 2021 12:56 pm Oops Bodge's mate accidentally outed

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-56667960

Covid contracts: PPE fixer who was Tory donor named in admin error.

Max B Gold wrote: ↑Tue Apr 20, 2021 1:52 pm

tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Tue Apr 20, 2021 12:56 pm Oops Bodge's mate accidentally outed

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-56667960

Covid contracts: PPE fixer who was Tory donor named in admin error.

The Tories are going to have one hell of a war chest to fight the next election with once all of these ludicrously lucrative contracts money finds its way back to the party in the form of "Donations".

With 80% of the "free press" owned by 6 billionaires, with strikingly similar pro capitalist anti Labour views, its going to be an uphill battle for SirKeith.

At least democracy isn't under threat in any way.

Dunners wrote: ↑Wed Apr 21, 2021 8:18 am Boris has the authority.

Max B Gold wrote: ↑Wed Apr 21, 2021 10:40 am

Dunners wrote: ↑Wed Apr 21, 2021 8:18 am Boris has the authority.

If only Dyson were a UK based company things could have been so much more straightforward.

tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 21, 2021 11:21 am

Max B Gold wrote: ↑Wed Apr 21, 2021 10:40 am

Dunners wrote: ↑Wed Apr 21, 2021 8:18 am Boris has the authority.

If only Dyson were a UK based company things could have been so much more straightforward.

Was there a specific reason they moved ?

Max B Gold wrote: ↑Wed Apr 21, 2021 11:28 am

tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 21, 2021 11:21 am

Max B Gold wrote: ↑Wed Apr 21, 2021 10:40 am

If only Dyson were a UK based company things could have been so much more straightforward.

Was there a specific reason they moved ?

I only have 33 years experience working in the field of taxation but I suspect the answer may be that he had visions of making riches beyond the dreams of avarice. For non religious types that translates as a plain old greedy selfish capitalist.

tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 21, 2021 12:12 pm

Max B Gold wrote: ↑Wed Apr 21, 2021 11:28 am

tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 21, 2021 11:21 am

Was there a specific reason they moved ?

I only have 33 years experience working in the field of taxation but I suspect the answer may be that he had visions of making riches beyond the dreams of avarice. For non religious types that translates as a plain old greedy selfish capitalist.

I see . But why couldnt he just be a greedy B*st*rd here ?

Max B Gold wrote: ↑Wed Apr 21, 2021 12:54 pm

tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 21, 2021 12:12 pm

Max B Gold wrote: ↑Wed Apr 21, 2021 11:28 am

I only have 33 years experience working in the field of taxation but I suspect the answer may be that he had visions of making riches beyond the dreams of avarice. For non religious types that translates as a plain old greedy selfish capitalist.

I see . But why couldnt he just be a greedy B*st*rd here ?

Leading question M'Lud.

I've told you already it's nothing to do with lower personal or corporate taxes, greater exploitation of labour, etc. It simply can't be because this Dyson fella is an ardent Brexiteer and would never not pay UK taxes or sack UK workers if it was in any way avoidable.

Of course it was unavoidable in his specific case because he us just plain greedy. Worrakunt.

Sid Bishop wrote: ↑Wed Apr 21, 2021 1:27 pm Fact of the matter is that as understanding of the covid pandemic emerged, the Dyson ventilators were not required and Dyson lost 20 Million pounds as a result of this project to develop and provide this medical equipment in a very short time for an emergency situation. You could no doubt nit pick over the way some of the wartime contracts were done under Lord Beaverbrook but production soared of planes, tanks, guns and ammunition under his leadership, he helped to get things done and that is what matters.

Quote .... Dyson said "Our ventilator cost Dyson £20m, freely given to the national cause, and it is absurd to suggest that the urgent correspondence was anything other than seeking compliance with rules, as 450 Dyson people - in UK and Singapore - worked around the clock, seven days a week to build potentially life-saving equipment at a time of dire need.

"Mercifully they were not required as medical understanding of the virus evolved. Neither Weybourne nor Dyson received any benefit from the project, indeed commercial projects were delayed, and Dyson voluntarily covered the £20m of development costs."
Sir James also said his company had not claimed "one penny" from governments in any jurisdiction, in relation to Covid.

Laura Kuenssberg....''Lobbying can be absolutely legitimate. It's part of how Westminster lives and breathes. Who would object to a small charity approaching its local MP to ask for help ? There are thousands of different circumstances in which having those discussions is perfectly valid.
Sir James was trying to respond to the urgent call for help at the start of the pandemic, when there was deep and genuine fear that the NHS simply wouldn't have the equipment to look after many thousands of patients at risk. But Dyson also, understandably perhaps, wanted to be clear about protecting its business from any extra costs or liabilities. (In the end remember, they lost money from the project.)
And the prime minister was heavily involved in efforts to get hold of ventilators and in touch with many businesses as the pandemic took hold.''

Former Labour Prime Minister Tony Blair told BBC Radio 4's Today programme he found it "hard to get worked up" about the contact between Mr Johnson and Sir James, as it had happened "in the middle of a pandemic". The government had been "asking James Dyson to start making ventilators", he added, saying: "There's got to be a certain degree of understanding if we are in the middle of a huge crisis like this."
Culture Secretary Oliver Dowden told BBC Breakfast: "In the middle of a national emergency, we had to move fast...that's what the prime minister did in this instance." He added: "This went through Parliament in a transparent way. There was an opportunity for MPs to be able to vote on it. And it was indeed a very temporary measure."

tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 21, 2021 1:35 pm

Sid Bishop wrote: ↑Wed Apr 21, 2021 1:27 pm Fact of the matter is that as understanding of the covid pandemic emerged, the Dyson ventilators were not required and Dyson lost 20 Million pounds as a result of this project to develop and provide this medical equipment in a very short time for an emergency situation. You could no doubt nit pick over the way some of the wartime contracts were done under Lord Beaverbrook but production soared of planes, tanks, guns and ammunition under his leadership, he helped to get things done and that is what matters.

Quote .... Dyson said "Our ventilator cost Dyson £20m, freely given to the national cause, and it is absurd to suggest that the urgent correspondence was anything other than seeking compliance with rules, as 450 Dyson people - in UK and Singapore - worked around the clock, seven days a week to build potentially life-saving equipment at a time of dire need.

"Mercifully they were not required as medical understanding of the virus evolved. Neither Weybourne nor Dyson received any benefit from the project, indeed commercial projects were delayed, and Dyson voluntarily covered the £20m of development costs."
Sir James also said his company had not claimed "one penny" from governments in any jurisdiction, in relation to Covid.

Laura Kuenssberg....''Lobbying can be absolutely legitimate. It's part of how Westminster lives and breathes. Who would object to a small charity approaching its local MP to ask for help ? There are thousands of different circumstances in which having those discussions is perfectly valid.
Sir James was trying to respond to the urgent call for help at the start of the pandemic, when there was deep and genuine fear that the NHS simply wouldn't have the equipment to look after many thousands of patients at risk. But Dyson also, understandably perhaps, wanted to be clear about protecting its business from any extra costs or liabilities. (In the end remember, they lost money from the project.)
And the prime minister was heavily involved in efforts to get hold of ventilators and in touch with many businesses as the pandemic took hold.''

Former Labour Prime Minister Tony Blair told BBC Radio 4's Today programme he found it "hard to get worked up" about the contact between Mr Johnson and Sir James, as it had happened "in the middle of a pandemic". The government had been "asking James Dyson to start making ventilators", he added, saying: "There's got to be a certain degree of understanding if we are in the middle of a huge crisis like this."
Culture Secretary Oliver Dowden told BBC Breakfast: "In the middle of a national emergency, we had to move fast...that's what the prime minister did in this instance." He added: "This went through Parliament in a transparent way. There was an opportunity for MPs to be able to vote on it. And it was indeed a very temporary measure."

Dyson are a small charity .
Did Laura really say that ?

Max B Gold wrote: ↑Wed Apr 21, 2021 2:40 pm

tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 21, 2021 1:35 pm

Sid Bishop wrote: ↑Wed Apr 21, 2021 1:27 pm Fact of the matter is that as understanding of the covid pandemic emerged, the Dyson ventilators were not required and Dyson lost 20 Million pounds as a result of this project to develop and provide this medical equipment in a very short time for an emergency situation. You could no doubt nit pick over the way some of the wartime contracts were done under Lord Beaverbrook but production soared of planes, tanks, guns and ammunition under his leadership, he helped to get things done and that is what matters.

Quote .... Dyson said "Our ventilator cost Dyson £20m, freely given to the national cause, and it is absurd to suggest that the urgent correspondence was anything other than seeking compliance with rules, as 450 Dyson people - in UK and Singapore - worked around the clock, seven days a week to build potentially life-saving equipment at a time of dire need.

"Mercifully they were not required as medical understanding of the virus evolved. Neither Weybourne nor Dyson received any benefit from the project, indeed commercial projects were delayed, and Dyson voluntarily covered the £20m of development costs."
Sir James also said his company had not claimed "one penny" from governments in any jurisdiction, in relation to Covid.

Laura Kuenssberg....''Lobbying can be absolutely legitimate. It's part of how Westminster lives and breathes. Who would object to a small charity approaching its local MP to ask for help ? There are thousands of different circumstances in which having those discussions is perfectly valid.
Sir James was trying to respond to the urgent call for help at the start of the pandemic, when there was deep and genuine fear that the NHS simply wouldn't have the equipment to look after many thousands of patients at risk. But Dyson also, understandably perhaps, wanted to be clear about protecting its business from any extra costs or liabilities. (In the end remember, they lost money from the project.)
And the prime minister was heavily involved in efforts to get hold of ventilators and in touch with many businesses as the pandemic took hold.''

Former Labour Prime Minister Tony Blair told BBC Radio 4's Today programme he found it "hard to get worked up" about the contact between Mr Johnson and Sir James, as it had happened "in the middle of a pandemic". The government had been "asking James Dyson to start making ventilators", he added, saying: "There's got to be a certain degree of understanding if we are in the middle of a huge crisis like this."
Culture Secretary Oliver Dowden told BBC Breakfast: "In the middle of a national emergency, we had to move fast...that's what the prime minister did in this instance." He added: "This went through Parliament in a transparent way. There was an opportunity for MPs to be able to vote on it. And it was indeed a very temporary measure."

Dyson are a small charity .
Did Laura really say that ?

Is it not the case that Dyson ventilators were sub standard and could not be used in the UK. Therefore, the developmenmt costs are his to bear because he sought to benefit commercially if he had been able to produce a saleable product.

If he was so keen to help tax should have been the least of his worries. I sense the tax position applied more to him than his staff or companies. I'm wondering if he made any substantial asset disposals after he scampered off to a tax haven. If so, his return to the UK could have triggered a substantial CGT liability.

Finally, Mrs Eva Bronstein Gold bought one of his cordless hoovers and the battery life on it is utter cack. Do not buy Dyson products.

tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 21, 2021 2:43 pm

Max B Gold wrote: ↑Wed Apr 21, 2021 2:40 pm

tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 21, 2021 1:35 pm

Dyson are a small charity .
Did Laura really say that ?

Is it not the case that Dyson ventilators were sub standard and could not be used in the UK. Therefore, the developmenmt costs are his to bear because he sought to benefit commercially if he had been able to produce a saleable product.

If he was so keen to help tax should have been the least of his worries. I sense the tax position applied more to him than his staff or companies. I'm wondering if he made any substantial asset disposals after he scampered off to a tax haven. If so, his return to the UK could have triggered a substantial CGT liability.

Finally, Mrs Eva Bronstein Gold bought one of his cordless hoovers and the battery life on it is utter cack. Do not buy Dyson products.

Can we take from this that our Sid ,
Was trying to pull the wool over our ?

Max B Gold wrote: ↑Wed Apr 21, 2021 2:49 pm

tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 21, 2021 2:43 pm

Max B Gold wrote: ↑Wed Apr 21, 2021 2:40 pm

Is it not the case that Dyson ventilators were sub standard and could not be used in the UK. Therefore, the developmenmt costs are his to bear because he sought to benefit commercially if he had been able to produce a saleable product.

If he was so keen to help tax should have been the least of his worries. I sense the tax position applied more to him than his staff or companies. I'm wondering if he made any substantial asset disposals after he scampered off to a tax haven. If so, his return to the UK could have triggered a substantial CGT liability.

Finally, Mrs Eva Bronstein Gold bought one of his cordless hoovers and the battery life on it is utter cack. Do not buy Dyson products.

Can we take from this that our Sid ,
Was trying to pull the wool over our ?

He's just repeating Tory spin which he scrapes from the Interspazz and posts it here like its his considered thoughts when actually its propoganda.