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EastDerehamO wrote: ↑Tue Sep 28, 2021 7:49 am Noting the resignation of Shadow Employment Rights minister Andy McDonald - timed to cause maximum embarrassment it would appear - the party is seemingly too embroiled in infighting, which is never a good look, and recalls the days of the early 80s. Something has to change. Andy Burnham waiting in the wings maybe, he remains the bookies favourite as the next Labour Leader.

At least he's got a personality and isn't a lying snake like Starmer

A lot of bitter people refusing to accept the overwhelming will of the party membership and democracy

Sad

Currywurst and Chips wrote: ↑Tue Sep 28, 2021 9:14 am A lot of bitter people refusing to accept the overwhelming will of the party membership and democracy

Sad

Where have I refused to accept his democratic election?

He's a snake with weasel like tendencies. That is an attack on his personal qualities not a rejection of his election by the membership. At least try to keep up.

Max B Gold wrote: ↑Tue Sep 28, 2021 9:41 am

Currywurst and Chips wrote: ↑Tue Sep 28, 2021 9:14 am A lot of bitter people refusing to accept the overwhelming will of the party membership and democracy

Sad

Where have I refused to accept his democratic election?

He's a snake with weasel like tendencies. That is an attack on his personal qualities not a rejection of his election by the membership. At least try to keep up.

I only have to go back one page to see yourself calling for the removal of the leader of a party, that you're not a member of, but who was democratically elected by an overwhelming majority of actual members.

Sad

Currywurst and Chips wrote: ↑Tue Sep 28, 2021 9:48 am

Max B Gold wrote: ↑Tue Sep 28, 2021 9:41 am

Currywurst and Chips wrote: ↑Tue Sep 28, 2021 9:14 am A lot of bitter people refusing to accept the overwhelming will of the party membership and democracy

Sad

Where have I refused to accept his democratic election?

He's a snake with weasel like tendencies. That is an attack on his personal qualities not a rejection of his election by the membership. At least try to keep up.

I only have to go back one page to see yourself calling for the removal of the leader of a party, that you're not a member of, but who was democratically elected by an overwhelming majority of actual members.

Sad

Wanting him AHT!! is NOT a refusal to accept the democratic vote of the members. It is recognition that he is useless and needs to go. You're not doing at all well this morning.

On the contrary I've highlighted how it easy it is to make you perform mental gymnastics and justify something that clearly isn't true

You also called the reforms undemocratic despite them being approved by a vote at conference.

Currywurst and Chips wrote: ↑Tue Sep 28, 2021 10:11 am On the contrary I've highlighted how it easy it is to make you perform mental gymnastics and justify something that clearly isn't true

You also called the reforms undemocratic despite them being approved by a vote at conference.

It's not mental gymnastics. I have not refused to accept Starmers election 18 months ago by the membership. Where is the post that says that? There isn't one.

I don't agree with the choice the members made but I accepted the outcome of the democratic process. A process that following a recent conference vote makes future leadership elections less democratic.

Were it not for organised opposition to the original proposals the outcome would have been even more anti democratic because it attempted to remove the important principle of OMOV. What conference approved was not what was originally proposed. Please do not conflate separate issues/proposals in order to try and win the argument.

Calling constantly (as a non-member) for the removal of the leader elected overwhelmingly by members is accepting the result

Right oh, not much point carrying on if you're going to play willfully stupid

Currywurst and Chips wrote: ↑Tue Sep 28, 2021 10:36 am Calling constantly (as a non-member) for the removal of the leader elected overwhelmingly by members is accepting the result

Right oh, not much point carrying on if you're going to play willfully stupid

I see so criticising an incompetent buffoon who in a major crisis is STILL polling behind the most corrupt Tory government in living memory is the same as not accepting a democratic vote held 18 months ago. Right oh!

Max B Gold wrote: ↑Tue Sep 28, 2021 9:10 am

EastDerehamO wrote: ↑Tue Sep 28, 2021 7:49 am Noting the resignation of Shadow Employment Rights minister Andy McDonald - timed to cause maximum embarrassment it would appear - the party is seemingly too embroiled in infighting, which is never a good look, and recalls the days of the early 80s. Something has to change. Andy Burnham waiting in the wings maybe, he remains the bookies favourite as the next Labour Leader.

At least he's got a personality and isn't a lying snake like Starmer

McDonald on Starmer:

"After 18 months of your leadership our movement is more divided than ever and the pledges you made to the membership are not being honoured.”

Max B Gold wrote: ↑Tue Sep 28, 2021 10:46 am

Currywurst and Chips wrote: ↑Tue Sep 28, 2021 10:36 am Calling constantly (as a non-member) for the removal of the leader elected overwhelmingly by members is accepting the result

Right oh, not much point carrying on if you're going to play willfully stupid

I see so criticising an incompetent buffoon who in a major crisis is STILL polling behind the most corrupt Tory government in living memory is the same as not accepting a democratic vote held 18 months ago. Right oh!

Trying to push the problems if the Labour Party
ahead of the problems of the Nation by
the right wing is just sticking ones head in the sand
whilst leaving ones rear end exposed , waiting for
any right eing political to royal F*ck it !

Theyll still try & Blame Jezza

tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Tue Sep 28, 2021 10:56 am

Max B Gold wrote: ↑Tue Sep 28, 2021 10:46 am

Currywurst and Chips wrote: ↑Tue Sep 28, 2021 10:36 am Calling constantly (as a non-member) for the removal of the leader elected overwhelmingly by members is accepting the result

Right oh, not much point carrying on if you're going to play willfully stupid

I see so criticising an incompetent buffoon who in a major crisis is STILL polling behind the most corrupt Tory government in living memory is the same as not accepting a democratic vote held 18 months ago. Right oh!

Trying to push the problems if the Labour Party
ahead of the problems of the Nation by
the right wing is just sticking ones head in the sand
whilst leaving ones rear end exposed , waiting for
any right eing political to royal F*ck it !

Theyll still try & Blame Jezza

Probably. Galling when we all know full well the blame lies with Blair, Brown and Mandelson. Those behind the scenes advocates for the business wing of Labour.

Max B Gold wrote: ↑Tue Sep 28, 2021 10:58 am

tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Tue Sep 28, 2021 10:56 am

Max B Gold wrote: ↑Tue Sep 28, 2021 10:46 am

I see so criticising an incompetent buffoon who in a major crisis is STILL polling behind the most corrupt Tory government in living memory is the same as not accepting a democratic vote held 18 months ago. Right oh!

Trying to push the problems if the Labour Party
ahead of the problems of the Nation by
the right wing is just sticking ones head in the sand
whilst leaving ones rear end exposed , waiting for
any right eing political to royal F*ck it !

Theyll still try & Blame Jezza

Probably. Galling when we all know full well the blame lies with Blair, Brown and Mandelson. Those behind the scenes advocates for the business wing of Labour.

Big John would be spinning in his grave

Listening to Starmer & Reeves and the others, its hard to understand this is the Labour party. Talk about helping business, and vowing not to put up income tax etc, sounds like the Tory Party .
Things are totally mad, at the present time

Jack wrote: ↑Tue Sep 28, 2021 11:02 am Listening to Starmer & Reeves and the others, its hard to understand this is the Labour party. Talk about helping business, and vowing not to put up income tax etc, sounds like the Tory Party .
Things are totally mad, at the present time

They also opposed a rise in Corporation Tax which the Tories proposed!!! FFS!!

STARMER AHT!!

Currywurst and Chips wrote: ↑Tue Sep 28, 2021 10:36 am Calling constantly (as a non-member) for the removal of the leader elected overwhelmingly by members is accepting the result

Right oh, not much point carrying on if you're going to play willfully stupid

You still a member PAM?

jamespevans wrote: ↑Tue Sep 28, 2021 1:02 pm

Currywurst and Chips wrote: ↑Tue Sep 28, 2021 10:36 am Calling constantly (as a non-member) for the removal of the leader elected overwhelmingly by members is accepting the result

Right oh, not much point carrying on if you're going to play willfully stupid

You still a member PAM?

Yes indeed, yourself?

Currywurst and Chips wrote: ↑Tue Sep 28, 2021 10:11 am On the contrary I've highlighted how it easy it is to make you perform mental gymnastics and justify something that clearly isn't true

You also called the reforms undemocratic despite them being approved by a vote at conference.

Why no sad?

Ronnie Hotdogs wrote: ↑Tue Sep 28, 2021 2:46 pm

Currywurst and Chips wrote: ↑Tue Sep 28, 2021 10:11 am On the contrary I've highlighted how it easy it is to make you perform mental gymnastics and justify something that clearly isn't true

You also called the reforms undemocratic despite them being approved by a vote at conference.

Why no sad?

Because my team are in charge again

Currywurst and Chips wrote: ↑Tue Sep 28, 2021 3:33 pm

Ronnie Hotdogs wrote: ↑Tue Sep 28, 2021 2:46 pm

Currywurst and Chips wrote: ↑Tue Sep 28, 2021 10:11 am On the contrary I've highlighted how it easy it is to make you perform mental gymnastics and justify something that clearly isn't true

You also called the reforms undemocratic despite them being approved by a vote at conference.

Why no sad?

Because my team are in charge again

losing 2-0 every week for the fans
whilst picking up £2k a week will lead
to.relegation soon enough

Lolz.



Maybe Starmer (and the Centrist Dads) should join the LibDems…

Now do Labour members

Yougov are biased towards the Tories anyway (well according to Admin)

Maybe that 14,000 word dirge of nothingness last week didn’t give Sir Keir the relaunch #17 bounce he was quite hoping for.

Still, at least the taxi drivers of Darlo love him to bits (allegedly)…

slacker wrote: ↑Tue Sep 28, 2021 7:45 pm Maybe that 14,000 word dirge of nothingness last week didn’t give Sir Keir the relaunch #17 bounce he was quite hoping for.

Still, at least the taxi drivers of Darlo love him to bits (allegedly)…

If Starmer really believes that this is an endorsement of him as next PM, he is embarrassingly naïve.

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