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Currywurst and Chips wrote: ↑Wed Nov 24, 2021 5:47 pm Over thirty dead today trying to make the crossing, unfortunately it might become more regular as the numbers crossing keep increasing and the weather worsens

What I don't understand is, if these people are allegedly paying thousands for the benefit of being smuggled. Why don't they just pay for the tourist visa and flights and then claim asylum when they rock up at Heathrow?

Ronnie Hotdogs wrote: ↑Wed Nov 24, 2021 6:18 pm

Currywurst and Chips wrote: ↑Wed Nov 24, 2021 5:47 pm Over thirty dead today trying to make the crossing, unfortunately it might become more regular as the numbers crossing keep increasing and the weather worsens

What I don't understand is, if these people are allegedly paying thousands for the benefit of being smuggled. Why don't they just pay for the tourist visa and flights and then claim asylum when they rock up at Heathrow?

Exactly, all they need to do is pop down to the Thomas Cook on Kandahar High Street and fill in a few forms.

Currywurst and Chips wrote: ↑Wed Nov 24, 2021 5:47 pm Over thirty dead today trying to make the crossing, unfortunately it might become more regular as the numbers crossing keep increasing and the weather worsens

What I don't understand is, if these people are allegedly paying thousands for the benefit of being smuggled. Why don't they just pay for the tourist visa and flights and then claim asylum when they rock up at Heathrow?

Prestige Worldwide wrote: ↑Wed Nov 24, 2021 9:53 pm The French have a lot to answer for.

Prestige Worldwide wrote: ↑Wed Nov 24, 2021 10:31 pm You don't need to cross an entire continent to flee a war. The French are allowing these traffickers to do what they like.

Real Al wrote: ↑Wed Nov 24, 2021 9:37 pm

Currywurst and Chips wrote: ↑Wed Nov 24, 2021 5:47 pm Over thirty dead today trying to make the crossing, unfortunately it might become more regular as the numbers crossing keep increasing and the weather worsens

What I don't understand is, if these people are allegedly paying thousands for the benefit of being smuggled. Why don't they just pay for the tourist visa and flights and then claim asylum when they rock up at Heathrow?

I couldn't find much about entry requirements for Sudanese people, for instance. However these are the requirements or UAE citizens, who I imagine find it relatively easy to get a visa.

UK Visa Requirements for UAE Citizens
You need a passport which should be valid for at least 6 months after your planned return from the UK.
Your passport should have a minimum of 3 blank pages for stamping.
You’ll need a passport-size photo taken on a white background. Be sure your face is not covered.
Provide proof of your residency status in the UAE. If you’re employed in the UAE, get a letter from your employer stating the details of your employment, role, and income and so on. If you’re a resident, then your UAE passport is evidence enough.
Provide your confirmed travel itinerary including flight details, dates of arrival and departure and other details along with your UK visa application Dubai.
Be ready to show a letter of invitation from your UK sponsors indicating their residential or immigration status in the UK.
Provide evidence of your sponsor’s current employment or status as a student, whatever the case may be.
Carry your salary payslips and bank statements for three months
Provide income tax statements for 2 years as proof of your financial viability.
Carry proofs of your education, in support of qualifications you’ve mentioned in the application form.
Provide evidence of the ability to meet your trip’s costs, as you’ve indicated in the application form. Provide bank statements of the person paying for the trip.
If you have a property in the UAE, then provide property documents such as deeds, mortgage statements, accountant’s letters or tenancy agreements.
Evidence of accommodation booking in the UK; this can be a letter from a resident stating you’re staying with them, or hotel booking confirmations.
If you’re married, then do attach your marriage certificate or civil partnership certificate or divorce certificate or death certificate as the situation warrants.
Provide evidence of family members remaining in the UAE while you travel to the UK. You can provide school reports for kids who are studying still or health reports for senior citizens who’ll remain behind while you travel.

Yeah, no problem for an Iranian dissident to meet those requirements

Prestige Worldwide wrote: ↑Wed Nov 24, 2021 10:53 pm Didn't 9/11 make us do the wars? So who started it really?

E10EU wrote: ↑Wed Nov 24, 2021 11:18 pm A few facts:
1) People have the right to seek asylum in another country.
2) International laws to not stipulate where asylum has be sought.
3) EU countries made the Dublin agreement whereby asylum should be sought in the first EU country entered.
4) As the UK has chosen to no longer be part of the EU, the Dublin agreement does not apply to those who wish to seek asylum here.
5) EU countries do not have the right or duty to prevent people leaving their shores to seek asylum or residence elsewhere.

All those who voted for Brexit because they hate immigrants, should look at 3) above. In their ignorance they scored an own goal.

As for trying to act all high & mighty by blaming the people smugglers: they would not have customers if this country had a rational and humane approach to the fact that need for asylum (a safe country) has always existed.

Prestige Worldwide wrote: ↑Wed Nov 24, 2021 11:54 pm
Pretty sure allowing people smuggling from your coasts in dangerously crowded and unsuitable boats is deeply irresponsible and probably against some sort of law. Of course France aren't bothered though, they don't want more camps springing up.

Beradogs wrote: ↑Thu Nov 25, 2021 6:43 am This subject needs people to bend a little and as per usual in something as emotive as this, that is impossible. The right need to understand that according to latest figures, 70% are genuine refugees. We have also spent the last half century causing trouble in these places and now don’t like the consequences. The liberals will never give an answer for how many is too many. It goes against there virtual signalling DNA. Is 10 million over the next few years and once global warming starts causing a mass displacement of people enough. 20m? Those numbers may sound fanciful but are entirely possible. If there is no number that is too high what does that mean for our current way of life. Not really sure what the answer is but it’s pretty certain that this is only going to get worse. As well as migrants fleeing persecution, we also have the mass lifting of hundreds of millions of people into middle class in places like China/India. They will rather fancy Europe as well.

E10EU wrote: ↑Wed Nov 24, 2021 11:18 pm A few facts:
1) People have the right to seek asylum in another country.
2) International laws to not stipulate where asylum has be sought.
3) EU countries made the Dublin agreement whereby asylum should be sought in the first EU country entered.
4) As the UK has chosen to no longer be part of the EU, the Dublin agreement does not apply to those who wish to seek asylum here.
5) EU countries do not have the right or duty to prevent people leaving their shores to seek asylum or residence elsewhere.

All those who voted for Brexit because they hate immigrants, should look at 3) above. In their ignorance they scored an own goal.

As for trying to act all high & mighty by blaming the people smugglers: they would not have customers if this country had a rational and humane approach to the fact that need for asylum (a safe country) has always existed.

Story of O wrote: ↑Thu Nov 25, 2021 9:33 am

E10EU wrote: ↑Wed Nov 24, 2021 11:18 pm A few facts:
1) People have the right to seek asylum in another country.
2) International laws to not stipulate where asylum has be sought.
3) EU countries made the Dublin agreement whereby asylum should be sought in the first EU country entered.
4) As the UK has chosen to no longer be part of the EU, the Dublin agreement does not apply to those who wish to seek asylum here.
5) EU countries do not have the right or duty to prevent people leaving their shores to seek asylum or residence elsewhere.

All those who voted for Brexit because they hate immigrants, should look at 3) above. In their ignorance they scored an own goal.

As for trying to act all high & mighty by blaming the people smugglers: they would not have customers if this country had a rational and humane approach to the fact that need for asylum (a safe country) has always existed.

On point 3, surely if they enter an EU country on their way to UK then that is where they should stay. The fact that they want to come here should not matter