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Apple Wumble wrote: ↑Fri Oct 14, 2022 5:20 pm It wouldn’t surprise me if they called an election, handing the sh*t show over to Labour, knowing there’s nothing they can do to stop it getting worse. Then they spend 5 years unable to actually do anything because of the economy and then 12 more years of tories

That will be the total focus of tory strategists at the moment.
Whatever happens it will always be "me" first, party second and f*** everyone else.

CEB wrote: ↑Fri Oct 14, 2022 5:10 pm Nah I think you’re glossing over that they will not be allowed to just push it through like that. The next appointment will need to have something to give it credibility, something to acknowledge how badly wrong it went. Giving it to those who were less popular than the one who won a month ago will not wash, without going to the polls.

Maybe - but they've already thrust Truss upon us without any mandate (not to mention May & Boris previously) so it's not like they're overly bothered about credibility.

Sunak was only less popular with the ageing Tory membership. Regardless of your political leanings, it's hard to disagree that he was clearly the "better" of the 2 candidates. Truss was only successful as the Mail / Telegraph and Express put their thumb on the scales to see her over the line with the membership. The PLP put Sunak 1st in every round so he'd clearly present as the candidate to unite the Tories.

Not sure how you think a GE would happen anyway? Labour would need to win a vote on no confidence to force one which would involve over 35 tories (many of which are in very marginal seats) voting against the government. Never underestimate how much these fuckers want to hang on to power.

“Maybe - but they've already thrust Truss upon us without any mandate (not to mention May & Boris previously) so it's not like they're overly bothered about credibility.”

They’re not *overly* bothered, but they are *bothered*

May & Johnson both sought to solidify/validate their premiership with GEs - though admittedly while expected to win - and it was already an issue that Truss was in position without being elected. If she goes, the Tories are demonstrably admitting that their process of electing a leader isn’t even good enough for the party, let alone the country.

IMO the only question behind the scenes is whether Truss goes down with the ship, and calls an election as soon as possible, or Sunak is put in position, calls an election on the discreet understanding that he’s likely to lose but will be given a fair crack at the job of party leader after the election anyway

Currywurst and Chips wrote: ↑Fri Oct 14, 2022 5:15 pm

BoniO wrote: ↑Fri Oct 14, 2022 5:03 pm

Currywurst and Chips wrote: ↑Fri Oct 14, 2022 4:21 pm Why would the the most calculating and successful political party in the Western World vote for an election when they're circa 30 points behind in the polls?

Absolutely! They are obviously total professionals and have excellent judgement in all they do.

I'm not sure what point you're failing to make

Yes you do, unless you're a bit hard of thinking

BoniO wrote: ↑Fri Oct 14, 2022 5:45 pm

Currywurst and Chips wrote: ↑Fri Oct 14, 2022 5:15 pm

BoniO wrote: ↑Fri Oct 14, 2022 5:03 pm

Absolutely! They are obviously total professionals and have excellent judgement in all they do.

I'm not sure what point you're failing to make

Yes you do, unless you're a bit hard of thinking

Well I think I do but it was short, masked with sarcasm, based on nothing and lazily made so I was giving you the opportunity to improve on it

Currywurst and Chips wrote: ↑Fri Oct 14, 2022 5:48 pm

BoniO wrote: ↑Fri Oct 14, 2022 5:45 pm

Currywurst and Chips wrote: ↑Fri Oct 14, 2022 5:15 pm

I'm not sure what point you're failing to make

Yes you do, unless you're a bit hard of thinking

Well I think I do but it was short, masked with sarcasm, based on nothing and lazily made so I was giving you the opportunity to improve on it

Thanks, but I'll stick. I knew you'd bite though. I've shown you up so many times you were always going to have a pop

Currywurst and Chips wrote: ↑Fri Oct 14, 2022 5:48 pm

BoniO wrote: ↑Fri Oct 14, 2022 5:45 pm

Currywurst and Chips wrote: ↑Fri Oct 14, 2022 5:15 pm

I'm not sure what point you're failing to make

Yes you do, unless you're a bit hard of thinking

Well I think I do but it was short, masked with sarcasm, based on nothing and lazily made so I was giving you the opportunity to improve on it

Can you stop stealing insults from my art teacher please?

BoniO wrote: ↑Fri Oct 14, 2022 6:10 pm

Currywurst and Chips wrote: ↑Fri Oct 14, 2022 5:48 pm

BoniO wrote: ↑Fri Oct 14, 2022 5:45 pm

Yes you do, unless you're a bit hard of thinking

Well I think I do but it was short, masked with sarcasm, based on nothing and lazily made so I was giving you the opportunity to improve on it

Thanks, but I'll stick. I knew you'd bite though. I've shown you up so many times you were always going to have a pop

Damn, I've been caught out by the "Say something stupid then claim a bite when you get a reply" trick again

Currywurst and Chips wrote: ↑Fri Oct 14, 2022 6:34 pm

BoniO wrote: ↑Fri Oct 14, 2022 6:10 pm

Currywurst and Chips wrote: ↑Fri Oct 14, 2022 5:48 pm

Well I think I do but it was short, masked with sarcasm, based on nothing and lazily made so I was giving you the opportunity to improve on it

Thanks, but I'll stick. I knew you'd bite though. I've shown you up so many times you were always going to have a pop

Damn, I've been caught out by the "Say something stupid then claim a bite when you get a reply" trick again

See they dont think much of the 3rd female leader
Of there Party ,
Looks like the PHD brigade will have plenty to
Write about

Just seen a headline that govt borrowing costs rise after Truss U turn. Wtf?

They heard her speak and were reminded that, regardless of the u-turn, she's still PM.

Dunners wrote: ↑Fri Oct 14, 2022 10:42 pm They heard her speak and were reminded that, regardless of the u-turn, she's still PM.

They responded to the 7 minute, 4 questions from friendly stenographers, press conference. Which was outstandingly ridiculous.

Boris waiting in the wings.

He did say he'd be back

Long slender neck wrote: ↑Sat Oct 15, 2022 6:20 am He did say he'd be back

alas he has no Sarah Connor !

Cool graphic graph showing the collapse of the pound over the last century. The mini budget was just the final straw.

Hunt looks like a robotic psychopath. Cant wait for his austerity measures we suddenly need

Well he did such a great job with the NHS

What did the Nurses call him again ?

I can't believe people think the tories will call an election when they've got 2 years guaranteed in power.

FFS

Hang onto your hats

does anyone really care who gets in.
the country is .....d.

You forgot to add “by the Tories”

Adz wrote: ↑Mon Oct 17, 2022 12:57 am I can't believe people think the tories will call an election when they've got 2 years guaranteed in power.

If Boris gets elected they may have to as the Tories will split and there may be enough rebels to support a vote of no confidence in him. Not sure how those numbers look at this point.

Also Boris could win and announce some popular policies like Energy plan for next 2 years, pension triple lock guarantee, build 40 new NHS hospitals. Of course it will have to happen quickly before the affects of the deepest recession since the 30s hit. I note the markets are jittery again today.

Max B Gold wrote: ↑Fri Oct 21, 2022 4:53 pm

Adz wrote: ↑Mon Oct 17, 2022 12:57 am I can't believe people think the tories will call an election when they've got 2 years guaranteed in power.

If Boris gets elected they may have to as the Tories will split and there may be enough rebels to support a vote of no confidence in him. Not sure how those numbers look at this point.

Also Boris could win and announce some popular policies like Energy plan for next 2 years, pension triple lock guarantee, build 40 new NHS hospitals. Of course it will have to happen quickly before the affects of the deepest recession since the 30s hit. I note the markets are jittery again today.

15 k new Nurses to remember

Dunners wrote: ↑Mon Oct 03, 2022 8:26 am

Adz wrote: ↑Mon Oct 03, 2022 8:23 am

Dunners wrote: ↑Sat Oct 01, 2022 2:33 pm Slightly off topic, but one or two major international investment banks are looking very unstable right now. If they go belly up the contagion could also hit us and add to our woes. And given how the 2020s are going so far, I'm not feeling optimistic.

Which ones? I haven't heard anything on the grapevine at my place

Not sure how credible, but Credit Suisse.

Boom!