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Until he started shagging Murdochs wife....allegedlyStillSpike wrote: ↑Wed Sep 22, 2021 12:41 pm He won because a certain R Murdoch decided that he was close enough to the Tories to give TB his backing.
Dohnut wrote: ↑Wed Sep 22, 2021 1:43 pmSure politicians get good and bad from the press and indeed the BBC. But I like to give people some credit for listening to the politicians too when coming to a conclusion.StillSpike wrote: ↑Wed Sep 22, 2021 1:28 pmSo you don't think that the fact that both Milliband and Corbyn were beasted in the press - and Bliar wasn't - might have some bearing on their relative successes and failures?Dohnut wrote: ↑Wed Sep 22, 2021 1:21 pm
He had policies that were popular. He knew how to win. He did win. Policies that people wanted, enough wanted. That people like Blair won and people like Milliband and Corbyn didn’t, in the case of the latter the worst defeat in 80 years, tells a story that some people just don’t get.
Politicians who know where the fight for power is and those who don’t. The numbers just don’t lie.
Compare Blair and Corbyn. Chalk and cheese. Out of their own mouths. One an accomplished politician who was wholly clear and believable. The other, a huge fence-sitter at times. Far from clear. Muddled. Compare their teams! Abbott, a disaster.
All too easy to blame the media. But until Labour stop looking for excuses and move on, they won’t.
puts any talk of the bbc being left wing to bedMax B Gold wrote: ↑Wed Sep 22, 2021 2:28 pmDohnut wrote: ↑Wed Sep 22, 2021 1:43 pmSure politicians get good and bad from the press and indeed the BBC. But I like to give people some credit for listening to the politicians too when coming to a conclusion.StillSpike wrote: ↑Wed Sep 22, 2021 1:28 pm
So you don't think that the fact that both Milliband and Corbyn were beasted in the press - and Bliar wasn't - might have some bearing on their relative successes and failures?
Compare Blair and Corbyn. Chalk and cheese. Out of their own mouths. One an accomplished politician who was wholly clear and believable. The other, a huge fence-sitter at times. Far from clear. Muddled. Compare their teams! Abbott, a disaster.
All too easy to blame the media. But until Labour stop looking for excuses and move on, they won’t.
Don't do it Spike.StillSpike wrote: ↑Wed Sep 22, 2021 1:28 pmSo you don't think that the fact that both Milliband and Corbyn were beasted in the press - and Bliar wasn't - might have some bearing on their relative successes and failures?Dohnut wrote: ↑Wed Sep 22, 2021 1:21 pm
He had policies that were popular. He knew how to win. He did win. Policies that people wanted, enough wanted. That people like Blair won and people like Milliband and Corbyn didn’t, in the case of the latter the worst defeat in 80 years, tells a story that some people just don’t get.
Politicians who know where the fight for power is and those who don’t. The numbers just don’t lie.
That’s good advice. I rarely post about politics on here any more. Debate just doesn’t exist, especially if you have a view that is different to some. I’ll retire gracefully.Admin wrote: ↑Wed Sep 22, 2021 2:53 pmDon't do it Spike.StillSpike wrote: ↑Wed Sep 22, 2021 1:28 pmSo you don't think that the fact that both Milliband and Corbyn were beasted in the press - and Bliar wasn't - might have some bearing on their relative successes and failures?Dohnut wrote: ↑Wed Sep 22, 2021 1:21 pm
He had policies that were popular. He knew how to win. He did win. Policies that people wanted, enough wanted. That people like Blair won and people like Milliband and Corbyn didn’t, in the case of the latter the worst defeat in 80 years, tells a story that some people just don’t get.
Politicians who know where the fight for power is and those who don’t. The numbers just don’t lie.
Debate with Maffy is like playing chess with a pigeon. It'll knock the pieces over, sh*t all over the board and then strut about looking like it was victorious.
Delusional.tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Wed Sep 22, 2021 2:37 pmputs any talk of the bbc being left wing to bedMax B Gold wrote: ↑Wed Sep 22, 2021 2:28 pmDohnut wrote: ↑Wed Sep 22, 2021 1:43 pm
Sure politicians get good and bad from the press and indeed the BBC. But I like to give people some credit for listening to the politicians too when coming to a conclusion.
Compare Blair and Corbyn. Chalk and cheese. Out of their own mouths. One an accomplished politician who was wholly clear and believable. The other, a huge fence-sitter at times. Far from clear. Muddled. Compare their teams! Abbott, a disaster.
All too easy to blame the media. But until Labour stop looking for excuses and move on, they won’t.
You Think ?
Max B Gold wrote: ↑Wed Sep 22, 2021 2:28 pmDohnut wrote: ↑Wed Sep 22, 2021 1:43 pmSure politicians get good and bad from the press and indeed the BBC. But I like to give people some credit for listening to the politicians too when coming to a conclusion.StillSpike wrote: ↑Wed Sep 22, 2021 1:28 pm
So you don't think that the fact that both Milliband and Corbyn were beasted in the press - and Bliar wasn't - might have some bearing on their relative successes and failures?
Compare Blair and Corbyn. Chalk and cheese. Out of their own mouths. One an accomplished politician who was wholly clear and believable. The other, a huge fence-sitter at times. Far from clear. Muddled. Compare their teams! Abbott, a disaster.
All too easy to blame the media. But until Labour stop looking for excuses and move on, they won’t.
4 General Elections since 6th May 2010 Labour lost them all Culminating with Jeremy Corblimeys disastrous defeat at the last, the worst result ever by the Labour Party
As it says 4 General Elections from 6th May 2010 when "Call me Dave" came to power doesn't matter if no overall winner the Queen ask the party leader who won the most seats if they can form a coalition government, strange how Labour wasn't asked help form a government or participate in government, the record book still shows Labour lost the last 4 Elections and with people like you supporting them they will lose the next 3 aswell. Long may it continue.tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Wed Sep 22, 2021 7:29 pm
why 4 elections in 10 years ?
what the f*ck 8s all that about ?
sounds like sh*t government to me .
Well Technically 2 were Lost as 2 were won by nobody & the Tory Party were given
first opportunity to create 2 Coalition governments .
Tory/Lib dems 2010
Tory/Dup 2017 .
So 2 clear defeats & 2 elections won by nobody .
Just so you can be correct in any future dealings .
Of Course it matters if there is no overall winner .Type high wrote: ↑Wed Sep 22, 2021 7:50 pmAs it says 4 General Elections from 6th May 2010 when "Call me Dave" came to power doesn't matter if no overall winner the Queen ask the party leader who won the most seats if they can form a coalition government, strange how Labour wasn't asked help form a government or participate in government, the record book still shows Labour lost the last 4 Elections and with people like you supporting them they will lose the next 3 aswell. Long may it continue.tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Wed Sep 22, 2021 7:29 pm
why 4 elections in 10 years ?
what the f*ck 8s all that about ?
sounds like sh*t government to me .
Well Technically 2 were Lost as 2 were won by nobody & the Tory Party were given
first opportunity to create 2 Coalition governments .
Tory/Lib dems 2010
Tory/Dup 2017 .
So 2 clear defeats & 2 elections won by nobody .
Just so you can be correct in any future dealings .
I think you'll find that if a coalition government is not formed by the Largest party which is normally the case, the option of the next largest party trying to form a government is a non starter, in which case another election is calledtuffers#1 wrote: ↑Wed Sep 22, 2021 8:00 pmOf Course it matters if there is no overall winner .Type high wrote: ↑Wed Sep 22, 2021 7:50 pmAs it says 4 General Elections from 6th May 2010 when "Call me Dave" came to power doesn't matter if no overall winner the Queen ask the party leader who won the most seats if they can form a coalition government, strange how Labour wasn't asked help form a government or participate in government, the record book still shows Labour lost the last 4 Elections and with people like you supporting them they will lose the next 3 aswell. Long may it continue.tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Wed Sep 22, 2021 7:29 pm
why 4 elections in 10 years ?
what the f*ck 8s all that about ?
sounds like sh*t government to me .
Well Technically 2 were Lost as 2 were won by nobody & the Tory Party were given
first opportunity to create 2 Coalition governments .
Tory/Lib dems 2010
Tory/Dup 2017 .
So 2 clear defeats & 2 elections won by nobody .
Just so you can be correct in any future dealings .
No Winner means No Losers .
LibDems sold there souls & ANY Chance of governing alone when they reneged
on there No Student Fees promise to get a little taste of power .
Had the Tories not got the deal within the alloted time
then the Next biggest party 8s given the opportunity
to fork the Government .
Had they held there nerve & told Dave & the Tories to f*ck off
Labour would have formed the.next government with them &
students would be free of fees.& the country wouldnt be in this f*cking mess now !
Thats the trouble with politics today
Half wits like you thinking they know how it really works
Nope the 2nd place party is offered the chance to form a government .Type high wrote: ↑Wed Sep 22, 2021 8:11 pmI think you'll find that if a coalition government is not formed by the Largest party which is normally the case, the option of the next largest party trying to form a government is a non starter, in which case another election is calledtuffers#1 wrote: ↑Wed Sep 22, 2021 8:00 pmOf Course it matters if there is no overall winner .Type high wrote: ↑Wed Sep 22, 2021 7:50 pm
As it says 4 General Elections from 6th May 2010 when "Call me Dave" came to power doesn't matter if no overall winner the Queen ask the party leader who won the most seats if they can form a coalition government, strange how Labour wasn't asked help form a government or participate in government, the record book still shows Labour lost the last 4 Elections and with people like you supporting them they will lose the next 3 aswell. Long may it continue.
No Winner means No Losers .
LibDems sold there souls & ANY Chance of governing alone when they reneged
on there No Student Fees promise to get a little taste of power .
Had the Tories not got the deal within the alloted time
then the Next biggest party 8s given the opportunity
to fork the Government .
Had they held there nerve & told Dave & the Tories to f*ck off
Labour would have formed the.next government with them &
students would be free of fees.& the country wouldnt be in this f*cking mess now !
Thats the trouble with politics today
Half wits like you thinking they know how it really works
Now, Now Tuffers we're supposed to be at peace with each other
Their not there. FFS!tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Wed Sep 22, 2021 8:33 pmNope the 2nd place party is offered the chance to form a government .Type high wrote: ↑Wed Sep 22, 2021 8:11 pmI think you'll find that if a coalition government is not formed by the Largest party which is normally the case, the option of the next largest party trying to form a government is a non starter, in which case another election is calledtuffers#1 wrote: ↑Wed Sep 22, 2021 8:00 pm
Of Course it matters if there is no overall winner .
No Winner means No Losers .
LibDems sold there souls & ANY Chance of governing alone when they reneged
on there No Student Fees promise to get a little taste of power .
Had the Tories not got the deal within the alloted time
then the Next biggest party 8s given the opportunity
to fork the Government .
Had they held there nerve & told Dave & the Tories to f*ck off
Labour would have formed the.next government with them &
students would be free of fees.& the country wouldnt be in this f*cking mess now !
Thats the trouble with politics today
Half wits like you thinking they know how it really works
Now, Now Tuffers we're supposed to be at peace with each other
Lib dems were swayed by places in Cabinet to form a govt with the Tory party
The Labour party promised they would accept Lib Dems pledge for no student fees .
Only if both of the largest parties can not reach an agreement to form a government will
another Eilection be called .
I am at peace ,with everyone , other than those that try to tell me there
knowledge of politics is greater than mine , when clearly it is not
if thats to me Maxy , its not my Mother tounge & i dont care !!Max B Gold wrote: ↑Wed Sep 22, 2021 8:56 pmTheir not there. FFS!tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Wed Sep 22, 2021 8:33 pmNope the 2nd place party is offered the chance to form a government .Type high wrote: ↑Wed Sep 22, 2021 8:11 pm
I think you'll find that if a coalition government is not formed by the Largest party which is normally the case, the option of the next largest party trying to form a government is a non starter, in which case another election is called
Now, Now Tuffers we're supposed to be at peace with each other
Lib dems were swayed by places in Cabinet to form a govt with the Tory party
The Labour party promised they would accept Lib Dems pledge for no student fees .
Only if both of the largest parties can not reach an agreement to form a government will
another Eilection be called .
I am at peace ,with everyone , other than those that try to tell me there
knowledge of politics is greater than mine , when clearly it is not
We are all well aware of it not being your mother tongue.tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Wed Sep 22, 2021 9:01 pmif thats to me Maxy , its not my Mother tounge & i dont care !!Max B Gold wrote: ↑Wed Sep 22, 2021 8:56 pmTheir not there. FFS!tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Wed Sep 22, 2021 8:33 pm
Nope the 2nd place party is offered the chance to form a government .
Lib dems were swayed by places in Cabinet to form a govt with the Tory party
The Labour party promised they would accept Lib Dems pledge for no student fees .
Only if both of the largest parties can not reach an agreement to form a government will
another Eilection be called .
I am at peace ,with everyone , other than those that try to tell me there
knowledge of politics is greater than mine , when clearly it is not
☘Max B Gold wrote: ↑Wed Sep 22, 2021 9:35 pmWe are all well aware of it not being your mother tongue.
If you are that good at politics then how come you don't know that Labour lost the last 4 general elections. your twisting of the truth is typical socialismtuffers#1 wrote: ↑Wed Sep 22, 2021 8:33 pmNope the 2nd place party is offered the chance to form a government .Type high wrote: ↑Wed Sep 22, 2021 8:11 pmI think you'll find that if a coalition government is not formed by the Largest party which is normally the case, the option of the next largest party trying to form a government is a non starter, in which case another election is calledtuffers#1 wrote: ↑Wed Sep 22, 2021 8:00 pm
Of Course it matters if there is no overall winner .
No Winner means No Losers .
LibDems sold there souls & ANY Chance of governing alone when they reneged
on there No Student Fees promise to get a little taste of power .
Had the Tories not got the deal within the alloted time
then the Next biggest party 8s given the opportunity
to fork the Government .
Had they held there nerve & told Dave & the Tories to f*ck off
Labour would have formed the.next government with them &
students would be free of fees.& the country wouldnt be in this f*cking mess now !
Thats the trouble with politics today
Half wits like you thinking they know how it really works
Now, Now Tuffers we're supposed to be at peace with each other
Lib dems were swayed by places in Cabinet to form a govt with the Tory party
The Labour party promised they would accept Lib Dems pledge for no student fees .
Only if both of the largest parties can not reach an agreement to form a government will
another Election be called .
I am at peace ,with everyone , other than those that try to tell me there
knowledge of politics is greater than mine , when clearly it is not
