Re: Labour Watch
Posted: Fri Sep 10, 2021 2:28 pm
Political party in breaking election promises shocker
It’s what the tories do.
Whatever you say about Corbyn, he NEVER broke a single election pledge.
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Re: Labour Watch
Posted: Fri Sep 10, 2021 3:46 pm
Re: Labour Watch
Posted: Fri Sep 10, 2021 5:32 pm
Ni rises to fund services that non-working asset owners will benefit from is obviously terrible. Just surprised that this is the straw that broke the camels back after bungling the pandemic so thoroughly throughout and killing off so many people.
Re: Labour Watch
Posted: Fri Sep 10, 2021 5:36 pm
Have you forgotten about the pandemic happening since the election. How did you think we would pay for sitting at home for a year whilst being paid by government. If anything , those that worked throughout should get a tax break.Ronnie Hotdogs wrote: ↑Fri Sep 10, 2021 12:14 pmI don’t think it’s the 1% rise as such, more that they’ve broken their election pledge. Voters are now unsure if they can trust the tories after that.Mistadobalina wrote: ↑Fri Sep 10, 2021 12:03 pm What have the Tories done these last few weeks that has struck people as worse than anything from the last 18 months? After everything that's happened is it really the NI rise that's hurt them?
Re: Labour Watch
Posted: Fri Sep 10, 2021 5:41 pm
Tax and NI increasesGeorge wrote: ↑Fri Sep 10, 2021 5:36 pmHave you forgotten about the pandemic happening since the election. How did you think we would pay for sitting at home for a year whilst being paid by government. If anything , those that worked throughout should get a tax break.Ronnie Hotdogs wrote: ↑Fri Sep 10, 2021 12:14 pmI don’t think it’s the 1% rise as such, more that they’ve broken their election pledge. Voters are now unsure if they can trust the tories after that.Mistadobalina wrote: ↑Fri Sep 10, 2021 12:03 pm What have the Tories done these last few weeks that has struck people as worse than anything from the last 18 months? After everything that's happened is it really the NI rise that's hurt them?
But only for furloughed people
Re: Labour Watch
Posted: Fri Sep 10, 2021 5:49 pm
wait till you get your next years council tax bill.
Re: Labour Watch
Posted: Fri Sep 10, 2021 6:36 pm
Re: Labour Watch
Posted: Tue Sep 21, 2021 10:46 am
Starmer set to forensically piss all over the remaining Labour members
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Re: Labour Watch
Posted: Tue Sep 21, 2021 10:54 am
John McDonnell, Zarah Sultana & UniteRonnie Hotdogs wrote: ↑Tue Sep 21, 2021 10:46 am Starmer set to forensically piss all over the remaining Labour members
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Re: Labour Watch
Posted: Tue Sep 21, 2021 11:00 am
Jezza is behind it to, but, you know.
Re: Labour Watch
Posted: Tue Sep 21, 2021 12:41 pm
I'm sure Labour will sort out everything at it's conference this weekend.
Re: Labour Watch
Posted: Tue Sep 21, 2021 1:05 pm
Jezza being behind all sorts of things, like elections, is nothing new. What matters now is Labour putting together a united front and start working on policies that may actually get them elected. Costed, realistic and of course popular with the majority. If they don’t we will just get more of Boris.
A sort of New Labour approach. Having all these radical ideas is great in debating societies but it don’t win enough votes. Pragmatism does.
Re: Labour Watch
Posted: Tue Sep 21, 2021 1:26 pm
So you think Jezza should support Starmer?Dohnut wrote: ↑Tue Sep 21, 2021 1:05 pmJezza being behind all sorts of things, like elections, is nothing new. What matters now is Labour putting together a united front and start working on policies that may actually get them elected. Costed, realistic and of course popular with the majority. If they don’t we will just get more of Boris.
A sort of New Labour approach. Having all these radical ideas is great in debating societies but it don’t win enough votes. Pragmatism does.
Re: Labour Watch
Posted: Tue Sep 21, 2021 6:05 pm
If Jezza wants a Labour Government then he needs to take a pragmatic view in my opinion. Starmer may not represent his ideals, but they are a damn site closer than Boris. So compromise, get a Labour Government then lobby for the type of changes he wants.Ronnie Hotdogs wrote: ↑Tue Sep 21, 2021 1:26 pmSo you think Jezza should support Starmer?Dohnut wrote: ↑Tue Sep 21, 2021 1:05 pmJezza being behind all sorts of things, like elections, is nothing new. What matters now is Labour putting together a united front and start working on policies that may actually get them elected. Costed, realistic and of course popular with the majority. If they don’t we will just get more of Boris.
A sort of New Labour approach. Having all these radical ideas is great in debating societies but it don’t win enough votes. Pragmatism does.
Evolution rather than Revolution. The revolutionary approach of Jezza was never going to work. Small steps rather than big leaps. A method that definitely works.
Re: Labour Watch
Posted: Tue Sep 21, 2021 6:19 pm
But Starmer isn’t Jezzas leader.
Re: Labour Watch
Posted: Tue Sep 21, 2021 6:28 pm
Maybe we are talking at cross purposes. I’m talking about the Labour Party and members getting behind it’s leader in order to get a Labour Government. Cut the in-fighting and differences and focus on fighting the real enemy, the Tories.
Unless that happens, the Tories will get a free ride, which is exactly what seems to be happening at the moment.
The first priority is to get a Labour Government. If that is not achieved, all else matters not a jot.
Re: Labour Watch
Posted: Tue Sep 21, 2021 8:53 pm
You sure about that?Dohnut wrote: ↑Tue Sep 21, 2021 6:05 pmStarmer may not represent his ideals, but they are a damn site closer than Boris.Ronnie Hotdogs wrote: ↑Tue Sep 21, 2021 1:26 pmSo you think Jezza should support Starmer?Dohnut wrote: ↑Tue Sep 21, 2021 1:05 pm
Jezza being behind all sorts of things, like elections, is nothing new. What matters now is Labour putting together a united front and start working on policies that may actually get them elected. Costed, realistic and of course popular with the majority. If they don’t we will just get more of Boris.
A sort of New Labour approach. Having all these radical ideas is great in debating societies but it don’t win enough votes. Pragmatism does.
Re: Labour Watch
Posted: Tue Sep 21, 2021 10:05 pm
Re: Labour Watch
Posted: Wed Sep 22, 2021 12:12 am
Very good point.Apple Wumble wrote: ↑Tue Sep 21, 2021 8:53 pmYou sure about that?
Tory party members vote for their party's leader but under Starmer's proposal it is mainly the existing Labour MPs (maybe 200 or so individuals) who have the main power to decide who should be the party leader. What a cosy club and how patronising to the ordinary party members (all those millions of people), to be told that this privileged group knows what is best for them! Starmer wants to make it harder for MPs to be deselected (even though very few actually have been). That's how we ended up with supposed Labour MPs who devoted all their energy and headlines into fighting their elected leader (Corbyn) rather than the Tories. So Starmer's main interest seems to be about keeping current MPs on their gravy train rather than the notion of MPs representing the wishes of their electorate.
Re: Labour Watch
Posted: Wed Sep 22, 2021 11:08 am
It's not about gravy trains. It's about the leadership having the ability to parachute in their right wing centerist mates into safe seats. It's ideological not economical.E10EU wrote: ↑Wed Sep 22, 2021 12:12 amVery good point.
Tory party members vote for their party's leader but under Starmer's proposal it is mainly the existing Labour MPs (maybe 200 or so individuals) who have the main power to decide who should be the party leader. What a cosy club and how patronising to the ordinary party members (all those millions of people), to be told that this privileged group knows what is best for them! Starmer wants to make it harder for MPs to be deselected (even though very few actually have been). That's how we ended up with supposed Labour MPs who devoted all their energy and headlines into fighting their elected leader (Corbyn) rather than the Tories. So Starmer's main interest seems to be about keeping current MPs on their gravy train rather than the notion of MPs representing the wishes of their electorate.
Previous examples include Hoey, Del Piero etc
Re: Labour Watch
Posted: Wed Sep 22, 2021 11:28 am
Some people would disagree, however the most successful Labour leader in electoral terms was the "sainted" Tony Blair witch I voted three times for.
He won plain simply because he parked his tanks on the tories front lawn and the electorate loved him, seems now labour has forgotten that and despise the electorate for voting for him. Labour will never learn, how many elections have they lost on the trot now.
He won plain simply because he parked his tanks on the tories front lawn and the electorate loved him, seems now labour has forgotten that and despise the electorate for voting for him. Labour will never learn, how many elections have they lost on the trot now.
Re: Labour Watch
Posted: Wed Sep 22, 2021 12:41 pm
He won because a certain R Murdoch decided that he was close enough to the Tories to give TB his backing.
Re: Labour Watch
Posted: Wed Sep 22, 2021 1:21 pm
Me too. Charisma, articulate, looked the part, had the right policies and a strong team. Many will say he was a Tory. He wasn’t at all. The record books show he was Labour. Nothing will ever change that.Type high wrote: ↑Wed Sep 22, 2021 11:28 am Some people would disagree, however the most successful Labour leader in electoral terms was the "sainted" Tony Blair witch I voted three times for.
He won plain simply because he parked his tanks on the tories front lawn and the electorate loved him, seems now labour has forgotten that and despise the electorate for voting for him. Labour will never learn, how many elections have they lost on the trot now.
He had policies that were popular. He knew how to win. He did win. Policies that people wanted, enough wanted. That people like Blair won and people like Milliband and Corbyn didn’t, in the case of the latter the worst defeat in 80 years, tells a story that some people just don’t get.
Politicians who know where the fight for power is and those who don’t. The numbers just don’t lie.
Re: Labour Watch
Posted: Wed Sep 22, 2021 1:28 pm
So you don't think that the fact that both Milliband and Corbyn were beasted in the press - and Bliar wasn't - might have some bearing on their relative successes and failures?Dohnut wrote: ↑Wed Sep 22, 2021 1:21 pm
He had policies that were popular. He knew how to win. He did win. Policies that people wanted, enough wanted. That people like Blair won and people like Milliband and Corbyn didn’t, in the case of the latter the worst defeat in 80 years, tells a story that some people just don’t get.
Politicians who know where the fight for power is and those who don’t. The numbers just don’t lie.
Re: Labour Watch
Posted: Wed Sep 22, 2021 1:43 pm
Sure politicians get good and bad from the press and indeed the BBC. But I like to give people some credit for listening to the politicians too when coming to a conclusion.StillSpike wrote: ↑Wed Sep 22, 2021 1:28 pmSo you don't think that the fact that both Milliband and Corbyn were beasted in the press - and Bliar wasn't - might have some bearing on their relative successes and failures?Dohnut wrote: ↑Wed Sep 22, 2021 1:21 pm
He had policies that were popular. He knew how to win. He did win. Policies that people wanted, enough wanted. That people like Blair won and people like Milliband and Corbyn didn’t, in the case of the latter the worst defeat in 80 years, tells a story that some people just don’t get.
Politicians who know where the fight for power is and those who don’t. The numbers just don’t lie.
Compare Blair and Corbyn. Chalk and cheese. Out of their own mouths. One an accomplished politician who was wholly clear and believable. The other, a huge fence-sitter at times. Far from clear. Muddled. Compare their teams! Abbott, a disaster.
All too easy to blame the media. But until Labour stop looking for excuses and move on, they won’t.