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Balance

First para:

"This week, Amnesty International released a 296-page report, accusing Israel of committing "genocide" in Gaza. This charge, no less than a modern-day blood libel, is just the latest attack in Amnesty's longstanding campaign of lawfare against and vilification of the State of Israel, having previously accused the Jewish state of the equally unfounded charge of apartheid."

It is an Apartheid state and Amnesty are right. Just like they are about it being a Genocide.

Owen Jones' bottle of Gaviscon has been tampered with by Mossad on account of his coverage of Israel.

faldO wrote: ↑Thu Dec 05, 2024 5:13 pm Just for balance...

https://www.newsweek.com/how-amnesty-in ... on-1996024

Just one brief section copied from the link given by faldo:

Whatever criticism one may have of Israeli policies or IDF actions in Gaza, at no stage has Israel been seeking to destroy the people in Gaza, whether in whole, in part, or in any way whatsoever"

How much ignorance and dangerous delusion is required to support a statement like that???

How about release all the hostages and stop all the killing. Seems something everyone can get behind?

Yup - sounds good. The only problem with that is that wouldn’t suit Netanyahu and his chums. They are hellbent on this genocide. The hostage’s families have been fiercely critical of the Israeli government’s lack of effort in getting the hostages back. They are right to be critical. Netanyahu has bilked all attempts for ceasefire. He doesn’t want the hostages freed as it would put pressure on him to stop the genocide.

Totally get that point of view and therefore the move should be to release the hostages.

The leaders of the Genocide do not care about the hostages.

In fact the Haaretz investigation into the events of Oct 2023 revealed, that to prevent Israeli civilians being taken hostage the IDF killed some of them under the Hannibal Protocols.

Hamas has very little leverage in ceasefire negotiations but holding hostages means that they can at least try to influence Israeli citizens to campaign for a ceasfire and their release.

After the ceasefire they can be traded for Hamas prisoners.

Funny that Israel has already occupied some of Syria after the fall of asaad.

Amazing what america can do in influencing who controls what in the middle east

They’ve occupied the Golan Heights in Syria for 43 years brah

*Trump Heights

They’ve taken over the buffer zone, taking advantage of a power vacuum

From a military strategic perspective, moving to occupy the high ground before a jihadist militia gets to it first is the smart move. It also cuts off the supply lines from Iran to Hezbollah.

Syria is done anyway. It is no longer sovereign, and the territory is now contested between multiple proxies.

Iran’s dominos dropping one by one

Dunners wrote: ↑Tue Dec 10, 2024 7:15 am From a military strategic perspective, moving to occupy the high ground before a jihadist militia gets to it first is the smart move. It also cuts off the supply lines from Iran to Hezbollah.

Syria is done anyway. It is no longer sovereign, and the territory is now contested between multiple proxies.

Interesting take.

The same Jihadist Militia the ones who overthrew Assad who the West are thanking for their efforts, or different ones?

Rich Tea Wellin wrote: ↑Tue Dec 10, 2024 9:26 am

Dunners wrote: ↑Tue Dec 10, 2024 7:15 am From a military strategic perspective, moving to occupy the high ground before a jihadist militia gets to it first is the smart move. It also cuts off the supply lines from Iran to Hezbollah.

Syria is done anyway. It is no longer sovereign, and the territory is now contested between multiple proxies.

Interesting take.

The same Jihadist Militia the ones who overthrew Assad who the West are thanking for their efforts, or different ones?

It is indeed a murky world. And this tendency of western media to refer to these groups as "rebels" is utter bullsh*t.

It could be HTS, which appear to be in the running for top dogs right now. Although previous examples of post-regime collapse suggest that they could be turned over by another group. It's the uncertainty that, if nothing else, would mean it is risky for a neighbouring country not to take measures to achieve strategic and defensive depth.

Trying to work out what is happening right now is next to impossible. HTS appears to be Turkish-sponsored but, whatever anyone may infer, the correct assumption is that everyone is currently acting in their own interests. Whether it is Turkey, Iran, HTS, other militant groups, Hamas, Hezbollah, Israel..... any alliances are merely out of mutual (and possibly temporary) convenience.

Right now, the best anyone can hope for is stability. Even a Jihadist taliban-esque form of stability would be preferable to a total state of chaos.

Dunners wrote: ↑Tue Dec 10, 2024 10:06 am

Rich Tea Wellin wrote: ↑Tue Dec 10, 2024 9:26 am

Dunners wrote: ↑Tue Dec 10, 2024 7:15 am From a military strategic perspective, moving to occupy the high ground before a jihadist militia gets to it first is the smart move. It also cuts off the supply lines from Iran to Hezbollah.

Syria is done anyway. It is no longer sovereign, and the territory is now contested between multiple proxies.

Interesting take.

The same Jihadist Militia the ones who overthrew Assad who the West are thanking for their efforts, or different ones?

Right now, the best anyone can hope for is stability. Even a Jihadist taliban-esque form of stability would be preferable to a total state of chaos.

Cough, cough splutter

Max B Gold wrote: ↑Tue Dec 10, 2024 10:09 am

Dunners wrote: ↑Tue Dec 10, 2024 10:06 am
Right now, the best anyone can hope for is stability. Even a Jihadist taliban-esque form of stability would be preferable to a total state of chaos.

Cough, cough splutter

Say what you like about the ol' Taliban, but they do like a bit of rule'n'order.

Dunners wrote: ↑Tue Dec 10, 2024 10:06 am
Trying to work out what is happening right now is next to impossible.

There must be some article somewhere you can C&P from?

Early days yet

Already Israel are moving to destroy Assad’s chemical weapons stores. Glad they won’t now fall into the hands of the Jihadis. Long-term stability in the region is at steak after all.

Extending the Golan Heights buffer zone also makes a lot of sense tactically.

Indeed. Loads of ways to justify more land grabbing by the Israeli state.

Currywurst and Chips wrote: ↑Tue Dec 10, 2024 11:24 am Early days yet

Already Israel are moving to destroy Assad’s chemical weapons stores. Glad they won’t now fall into the hands of the Jihadis. Long-term stability in the region is at steak after all.

Extending the Golan Heights buffer zone also makes a lot of sense tactically.

If I was disliked to that degree by my neighbours I would move.

Currywurst and Chips wrote: ↑Tue Dec 10, 2024 11:24 am
Long-term stability in the region is at steak after all.

Indeed stability is very rare in that region and needs to be well done in the medium to long term.
They need to get to the rump of the problem and stop beefing about it.

one o in huntingdon wrote: ↑Tue Dec 10, 2024 4:41 pm

Currywurst and Chips wrote: ↑Tue Dec 10, 2024 11:24 am
Long-term stability in the region is at steak after all.

Indeed stability is very rare in that region and needs to be well done in the medium to long term.
They need to get to the rump of the problem and stop beefing about it.

We all know what the rump of the problem is.

George M wrote: ↑Tue Dec 10, 2024 4:52 pm

one o in huntingdon wrote: ↑Tue Dec 10, 2024 4:41 pm

Currywurst and Chips wrote: ↑Tue Dec 10, 2024 11:24 am
Long-term stability in the region is at steak after all.

Indeed stability is very rare in that region and needs to be well done in the medium to long term.
They need to get to the rump of the problem and stop beefing about it.

We all know what the rump of the problem is.

Perhaps you need explain and fillet it in between the lines.
Lots of people Diane and other countries should be braising hell about it

In the olden days, whenever there was beef, Wellington was your man

Just sir your loins and get on with it.