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George wrote: ↑Thu Jan 28, 2021 6:10 pm

BoniO wrote: ↑Thu Jan 28, 2021 10:10 am hi
Yup - one feck up after another, whereas it should have been like this:

https://www.thelondoneconomic.com/polit ... SryiQ7nwN0

You cannot compare the two. NZ is a tiny island with a small population, thousands of miles from anywhere.
We are an international travel hub with a multi ethnic community and with a population of almost 70million

Nah, it's just that Jacinda Ardern is fantastic at her job and Boris is, is......... well, crap, basically.

That may prove to be the case , but , she had a relatively easy job. She did act swiftly though , I will concede that

Admin wrote: ↑Thu Jan 28, 2021 7:31 pm

Ronnie Hotdogs wrote: ↑Thu Jan 28, 2021 5:53 pm Tory scumbag getting what he deserves.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-55844124

Dirty b*stard. Should’ve got more than that.

People get community service for committing GBH on emergency service workers these days. Glad you're in favour of harsher sentences.

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-lei ... e-55625061

Currywurst and Chips wrote: ↑Thu Jan 28, 2021 8:08 pm

Admin wrote: ↑Thu Jan 28, 2021 7:31 pm

Ronnie Hotdogs wrote: ↑Thu Jan 28, 2021 5:53 pm Tory scumbag getting what he deserves.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-55844124

Dirty b*stard. Should’ve got more than that.

People get community service for committing GBH on emergency service workers these days. Glad you're in favour of harsher sentences.

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-lei ... e-55625061

Absolutely. Both acts are deserving of harsher sentences. Not sure why you thought I would think any differently.

As an aside I had my septum replaced many years ago (no not cocaine) and can say without hesitation that the operation and recovery process was horrid. Almost up there with a heart bypass.

Admin wrote: ↑Thu Jan 28, 2021 8:41 pm

Currywurst and Chips wrote: ↑Thu Jan 28, 2021 8:08 pm

Admin wrote: ↑Thu Jan 28, 2021 7:31 pm

Dirty b*stard. Should’ve got more than that.

People get community service for committing GBH on emergency service workers these days. Glad you're in favour of harsher sentences.

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-lei ... e-55625061

Absolutely. Both acts are deserving of harsher sentences. Not sure why you thought I would think any differently.

As an aside I had my septum replaced many years ago (no not cocaine) and can say without hesitation that the operation and recovery process was horrid. Almost up there with a heart bypass.

Didn't assume you'd think differently. It's just nice when people from the left back sentences for people like this

I'm a front line emergency services worker who got bitten 6 weeks ago and am now waiting for the CPS to say "No further action"

Currywurst and Chips wrote: ↑Thu Jan 28, 2021 8:56 pm

Admin wrote: ↑Thu Jan 28, 2021 8:41 pm

Currywurst and Chips wrote: ↑Thu Jan 28, 2021 8:08 pm

People get community service for committing GBH on emergency service workers these days. Glad you're in favour of harsher sentences.

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-lei ... e-55625061

Absolutely. Both acts are deserving of harsher sentences. Not sure why you thought I would think any differently.

As an aside I had my septum replaced many years ago (no not cocaine) and can say without hesitation that the operation and recovery process was horrid. Almost up there with a heart bypass.

Didn't assume you'd think differently. It's just nice when people from the left back sentences for people like this

I'm a front line emergency services worker who got bitten 6 weeks ago and am now waiting for the CPS to say "No further action"

Am sorry to hear that Pammy. Obviously don’t know the circumstances but hope that the perpetrator receives an appropriate punishment.

Admin wrote: ↑Thu Jan 28, 2021 9:10 pm

Currywurst and Chips wrote: ↑Thu Jan 28, 2021 8:56 pm

Admin wrote: ↑Thu Jan 28, 2021 8:41 pm

Absolutely. Both acts are deserving of harsher sentences. Not sure why you thought I would think any differently.

As an aside I had my septum replaced many years ago (no not cocaine) and can say without hesitation that the operation and recovery process was horrid. Almost up there with a heart bypass.

Didn't assume you'd think differently. It's just nice when people from the left back sentences for people like this

I'm a front line emergency services worker who got bitten 6 weeks ago and am now waiting for the CPS to say "No further action"

Am sorry to hear that Pammy. Obviously don’t know the circumstances but hope that the perpetrator receives an appropriate punishment.

Cheers, not looking for sympathy but do want to highlight how assaults on emergency workers are through the roof at the moment

Currywurst and Chips wrote: ↑Thu Jan 28, 2021 8:56 pm

Admin wrote: ↑Thu Jan 28, 2021 8:41 pm

Currywurst and Chips wrote: ↑Thu Jan 28, 2021 8:08 pm

People get community service for committing GBH on emergency service workers these days. Glad you're in favour of harsher sentences.

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-lei ... e-55625061

Absolutely. Both acts are deserving of harsher sentences. Not sure why you thought I would think any differently.

As an aside I had my septum replaced many years ago (no not cocaine) and can say without hesitation that the operation and recovery process was horrid. Almost up there with a heart bypass.

Didn't assume you'd think differently. It's just nice when people from the left back sentences for people like this

I'm a front line emergency services worker who got bitten 6 weeks ago and am now waiting for the CPS to say "No further action"

You must get sick of getting so many bites...

Currywurst and Chips wrote: ↑Thu Jan 28, 2021 8:08 pm

Admin wrote: ↑Thu Jan 28, 2021 7:31 pm

Ronnie Hotdogs wrote: ↑Thu Jan 28, 2021 5:53 pm Tory scumbag getting what he deserves.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-55844124

Dirty b*stard. Should’ve got more than that.

People get community service for committing GBH on emergency service workers these days. Glad you're in favour of harsher sentences.

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-lei ... e-55625061

This is that thing, ain’t it.

Admin wrote: ↑Thu Jan 28, 2021 7:31 pm

Ronnie Hotdogs wrote: ↑Thu Jan 28, 2021 5:53 pm Tory scumbag getting what he deserves.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-55844124

Dirty b*stard. Should’ve got more than that.

Didn’t know who he was! That’s gotta hurt more than the rage!

Hmmm

Currywurst and Chips wrote: ↑Sat Jan 30, 2021 11:39 pm Hmmm

I find this just staggering - what are these people seeing that I'm not.

To be honest, I think it's time for Sir Keir to drop the measured tones and get on the attack - he's just not landing enough punches at the moment. I can see how he might be more comfortable with a logical approach and allow the Tories to own their own f*** ups, but as these figures show, it doesn't seem to be enough.

o-no wrote: ↑Sun Jan 31, 2021 8:27 am

Currywurst and Chips wrote: ↑Sat Jan 30, 2021 11:39 pm Hmmm

I find this just staggering - what are these people seeing that I'm not.

It's the vaccine rollout. Memories are short a superficial.

Also, The New Statesman has done some decent analysis on polling performance for both party leaders:

www.newstatesman.com/politics/polling/2 ... r-stalling

Currywurst and Chips wrote: ↑Sat Jan 30, 2021 11:39 pm Hmmm

With Starmer at the helm, things will only get worse.
Remember 18 months ago, people were saying ( when Corbyn was leader), " if Labour had a decent leader. they'd be 20 points ahead"
Yeah right!!!

When Starmer came in labour had just suffered their worst defeat in postwar history and were polling 25 pts behind the Tories

He’s closed that gap to a few points in under a year while having to mend Labour’s damaged reputation as a party

As dunners says the vaccine rollout has boosted the Tories’ approval in the short term. It’s still 4 years until the next GE

Maybe if the Corbtards who deserted the party when they didn’t get their way had actually stuck with us We’d be a handful of points ahead right now

Millennial Snowflake wrote: ↑Sun Jan 31, 2021 10:13 am When Starmer came in labour had just suffered their worst defeat in postwar history and were polling 25 pts behind the Tories

He’s closed that gap to a few points in under a year while having to mend Labour’s damaged reputation as a party

As dunners says the vaccine rollout has boosted the Tories’ approval in the short term. It’s still 4 years until the next GE

Maybe if the Corbtards who deserted the party when they didn’t get their way had actually stuck with us We’d be a handful of points ahead right now

And herein lies a major part of Labours problem. Plenty of those “corbtards” will point to a sizeable centerist part of the membership and PLP and remind them of how much time they spent openly undermining the leadership for 4 years. Doesn’t absolve Corbyn from many faults btw.

The broad church argument is now being shown up for the bollocks it is. Labour can’t be all things to all people and the infighting will continually hinder any progress.

At the moment COVID is the only story. Starmers probably done well to get close for the moment although the accusation of him being purely an opportunist do carry some weight. Ultimately hard to judge him closely until there’s some policies put in front of us to consider. If he’s put much out in that direction then it’s not cutting through.

Look at "Best Prime Minister" (BPM) polls which naturally favour the incumbent and Starmer is ahead

That suggests there's a problem with the Labour brand (there is). Remember the Ed Miliband days? He used to sustain poll leads regulalry despite being miles behind in the BPM polls because the Labour brand was still strong.

Because they've been out of government for so long and because Corbyn now not so much.

Millennial Snowflake wrote: ↑Sun Jan 31, 2021 10:13 am
Maybe if the Corbtards who deserted the party when they didn’t get their way had actually stuck with us We’d be a handful of points ahead right now

Do you think many of the corbtards have jumped ship and are now voting for the tories?

Also, I think a lot of people will vote Tory because they fear change more than incompetence.

To them Labour represents 53 genders, not being allowed to tell jokes you once could and prioritising Nigerians over them. At least with the Tories their house price will be stable and they can cling on to some form of normality.

Currywurst and Chips wrote: ↑Sun Jan 31, 2021 11:04 am At least with the Tories their house price will be stable and they can cling on to some form of normality.

The housing market is entering into a very... 'interesting' phase (scarcity of higher LVT mortgages and the almost complete collapse of apartment sales). There's also the dire economic outlook and inflationary pressures which will increasingly give concern to the BoE when reviewing interest rates.

Another issue for Labour is Scotland. However, I just cannot see us reaching the next GE without there being some significant events that impact on that.

Whatever the recovery looks like, we're not going back to pre-pandemic normality.

Dunners wrote: ↑Sun Jan 31, 2021 11:37 am

Currywurst and Chips wrote: ↑Sun Jan 31, 2021 11:04 am At least with the Tories their house price will be stable and they can cling on to some form of normality.

The housing market is entering into a very... 'interesting' phase (scarcity of higher LVT mortgages and the almost complete collapse of apartment sales). There's also the dire economic outlook and inflationary pressures which will increasingly give concern to the BoE when reviewing interest rates.

Another issue for Labour is Scotland. However, I just cannot see us reaching the next GE without there being some significant events that impact on that.

Whatever the recovery looks like, we're not going back to pre-pandemic normality.

Going off piste here, I'm looking to sell my humble 1 bed place and buy a much larger place with my partner in the Autumn.

Is this year a bad time to buy? Have almost zero knowledge of the housing economy other than people have warned me off leaseholds and flats

Currywurst and Chips wrote: ↑Sun Jan 31, 2021 11:43 am

Dunners wrote: ↑Sun Jan 31, 2021 11:37 am

Currywurst and Chips wrote: ↑Sun Jan 31, 2021 11:04 am At least with the Tories their house price will be stable and they can cling on to some form of normality.

The housing market is entering into a very... 'interesting' phase (scarcity of higher LVT mortgages and the almost complete collapse of apartment sales). There's also the dire economic outlook and inflationary pressures which will increasingly give concern to the BoE when reviewing interest rates.

Another issue for Labour is Scotland. However, I just cannot see us reaching the next GE without there being some significant events that impact on that.

Whatever the recovery looks like, we're not going back to pre-pandemic normality.

Going off piste here, I'm looking to sell my humble 1 bed place and buy a much larger place with my partner in the Autumn.

Is this year a bad time to buy? Have almost zero knowledge of the housing economy other than people have warned me off leaseholds and flats

Even if you wanted to buy a leasehold flat, there's a good chance that no lender will touch it right now. So the same may apply to your current pad, especially if it's in a purpose built block constructed within the last 20 (or possibly even 30) years. You may want to check if there's a valid EWS1 certificate with satisfactory rating.

As for whether this is a good time - I have no idea and would suggest that neither does anyone else. Everything I know suggests that the housing market is f*cked. But, as we saw following GFC08, the government will do just about everything to prevent a crash. 70% of UK household wealth is linked to property values, so in the medium to long term it's about a safe a bet as you can get.

Plus, if selling and buying, then it's all relative anyway.

Dunners wrote: ↑Sun Jan 31, 2021 11:58 am

Currywurst and Chips wrote: ↑Sun Jan 31, 2021 11:43 am

Dunners wrote: ↑Sun Jan 31, 2021 11:37 am

The housing market is entering into a very... 'interesting' phase (scarcity of higher LVT mortgages and the almost complete collapse of apartment sales). There's also the dire economic outlook and inflationary pressures which will increasingly give concern to the BoE when reviewing interest rates.

Another issue for Labour is Scotland. However, I just cannot see us reaching the next GE without there being some significant events that impact on that.

Whatever the recovery looks like, we're not going back to pre-pandemic normality.

Going off piste here, I'm looking to sell my humble 1 bed place and buy a much larger place with my partner in the Autumn.

Is this year a bad time to buy? Have almost zero knowledge of the housing economy other than people have warned me off leaseholds and flats

Even if you wanted to buy a leasehold flat, there's a good chance that no lender will touch it right now. So the same may apply to your current pad, especially if it's in a purpose built block constructed within the last 20 (or possibly even 30) years. You may want to check if there's a valid EWS1 certificate with satisfactory rating.

As for whether this is a good time - I have no idea and would suggest that neither does anyone else. Everything I know suggests that the housing market is f*cked. But, as we saw following GFC08, the government will do just about everything to prevent a crash. 70% of UK household wealth is linked to property values, so in the medium to long term it's about a safe a bet as you can get.

Plus, if selling and buying, then it's all relative anyway.

I have a freehold house with a garden and looking to add some bedrooms so hopefully shouldn't have a problem selling/buying.

Thanks for the wisdom anyway.