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Dunners wrote: ↑Wed Sep 08, 2021 3:37 pm

Prestige Worldwide wrote: ↑Wed Sep 08, 2021 3:01 pm]

Letting people drown on a large scale wont happen, so what other options are there?

I’d like to think you’re right, but I wouldn't rule it out of hand. There’s been reports of Italian and Greek vessels ‘shoving’ migrant dinghies back in the direction of the shore they came from. This kind of action always has the potential to escalate, especially as it is normalised.

Prestige Worldwide wrote: ↑Thu Nov 11, 2021 4:04 pm Let me get this right, the Belarus dictator is intentionally flying people in from the middle east and trying to force them into Poland as 'revenge' on the eu for sanctions? It is mad to see people used as weapons.

Dunners wrote: ↑Fri Nov 12, 2021 4:02 pm Ah, more of the picture of what Lukashenko and Putin are up to is beginning to reveal itself. Aside from using migrants to undermine and attack the EU, it may be part of a wider play that includes military action and further annexation of Ukrainian territory.

The pattern is that the locations where migrants have been thrown against borders started in the Baltic states, and has been progressing further south along the Polish border. Anticipating that this may eventually reach their border, the Ukrainian government has mobilised troops to reinforce the border it shares with Belarus.

The US is also now briefing the EU that they have intelligence that suggests Russia is considering a further invasion into Ukraine, especially while its attention is being drawn elsewhere. There are reports of a high number of Russian troops and vehicles amassing near the border and that some units have already covertly entered into Ukraine.

Poland is now sending military reinforcements to its border and our MoD has confirmed its sending a small team over to provide some minor technical support. While it may be a small show of support from the UK, it is no doubt intended to send a message to Russia and Belarus that we'll stand with Poland. It is possibly also a cheeky way of the UK undermining the EU to some extent.

Things are certainly getting more interesting over there.

Stowaway wrote: ↑Fri Nov 12, 2021 4:05 pm

Dunners wrote: ↑Fri Nov 12, 2021 4:02 pm Ah, more of the picture of what Lukashenko and Putin are up to is beginning to reveal itself. Aside from using migrants to undermine and attack the EU, it may be part of a wider play that includes military action and further annexation of Ukrainian territory.

The pattern is that the locations where migrants have been thrown against borders started in the Baltic states, and has been progressing further south along the Polish border. Anticipating that this may eventually reach their border, the Ukrainian government has mobilised troops to reinforce the border it shares with Belarus.

The US is also now briefing the EU that they have intelligence that suggests Russia is considering a further invasion into Ukraine, especially while its attention is being drawn elsewhere. There are reports of a high number of Russian troops and vehicles amassing near the border and that some units have already covertly entered into Ukraine.

Poland is now sending military reinforcements to its border and our MoD has confirmed its sending a small team over to provide some minor technical support. While it may be a small show of support from the UK, it is no doubt intended to send a message to Russia and Belarus that we'll stand with Poland. It is possibly also a cheeky way of the UK undermining the EU to some extent.

Things are certainly getting more interesting over there.

Interesting. Source?

Dunners wrote: ↑Mon Nov 15, 2021 12:01 pm I have a bad feeling that things are going to get a lot worse on the border today.

Belarus has been spreading misinformation through all the migrant camps that Poland is going to open the border at the Kuźnica-Bruzgi crossing today. Huge crowds are now building at that point, with rumours that some immigrants have been given tear gas grenades and a few other basic weapons. Poland will not stand down and, if a single migrant uses anything that could be defined as a weapon against the Polish forces they may feel justified in retaliating.

There's also reports of Belarussian troops firing (probably blank) rounds in and amongst the trees near the border. It's all adding to a growing sense of unease and tension. Any migrants that attempt to turn back are being beaten by the Belarussian troops and forced back towards the border fence.

Dunners wrote: ↑Mon Nov 15, 2021 12:01 pm I have a bad feeling that things are going to get a lot worse on the border today.

Belarus has been spreading misinformation through all the migrant camps that Poland is going to open the border at the Kuźnica-Bruzgi crossing today. Huge crowds are now building at that point, with rumours that some immigrants have been given tear gas grenades and a few other basic weapons. Poland will not stand down and, if a single migrant uses anything that could be defined as a weapon against the Polish forces they may feel justified in retaliating.

There's also reports of Belarussian troops firing (probably blank) rounds in and amongst the trees near the border. It's all adding to a growing sense of unease and tension. Any migrants that attempt to turn back are being beaten by the Belarussian troops and forced back towards the border fence.

tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 15, 2021 1:56 pm

Dunners wrote: ↑Mon Nov 15, 2021 12:01 pm I have a bad feeling that things are going to get a lot worse on the border today.

Belarus has been spreading misinformation through all the migrant camps that Poland is going to open the border at the Kuźnica-Bruzgi crossing today. Huge crowds are now building at that point, with rumours that some immigrants have been given tear gas grenades and a few other basic weapons. Poland will not stand down and, if a single migrant uses anything that could be defined as a weapon against the Polish forces they may feel justified in retaliating.

There's also reports of Belarussian troops firing (probably blank) rounds in and amongst the trees near the border. It's all adding to a growing sense of unease and tension. Any migrants that attempt to turn back are being beaten by the Belarussian troops and forced back towards the border fence.

Do you think the uk is under threat as well
or is this just more training exercises ?

https://news.sky.com/story/british-figh ... s-12467141

Dunners wrote: ↑Mon Nov 15, 2021 1:58 pm

tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 15, 2021 1:56 pm

Dunners wrote: ↑Mon Nov 15, 2021 12:01 pm I have a bad feeling that things are going to get a lot worse on the border today.

Belarus has been spreading misinformation through all the migrant camps that Poland is going to open the border at the Kuźnica-Bruzgi crossing today. Huge crowds are now building at that point, with rumours that some immigrants have been given tear gas grenades and a few other basic weapons. Poland will not stand down and, if a single migrant uses anything that could be defined as a weapon against the Polish forces they may feel justified in retaliating.

There's also reports of Belarussian troops firing (probably blank) rounds in and amongst the trees near the border. It's all adding to a growing sense of unease and tension. Any migrants that attempt to turn back are being beaten by the Belarussian troops and forced back towards the border fence.

Do you think the uk is under threat as well
or is this just more training exercises ?

https://news.sky.com/story/british-figh ... s-12467141

Nah, just a bit of friendly rivalry. We do the same to them in the Black Sea. The UK and Russia like to keep each other on our toes.

Beradogs wrote: ↑Mon Nov 15, 2021 3:02 pm Of course it will get worse. The internet is a game changer for the mass movement of people. Not only because it’s easier to sort out the smuggling routes or watching the weather before you depart. It’s a game changer because it’s opened the eyes of people that live in undesirable locations to the wider world. There are billions of people who live in undesirable locations. You only have to look on YouTube and see the comments when a video of a train ride through Switzerland is posted as a random example. There are many thousands of comments underneath about how one day I will come to Europe, get my family to Europe, move from where I live etc etc. Another example but for the more middle class is the NC500 the Scottish road route invented by tourism Scotland a few years ago to fill up a few coffee shops around Scotland. Now local communities can’t handle the volume of traffic. This route became an internet sensation and bang. Millions of tourists driving around midge infested, rain soaked Scotland. This is all before global warming has decimated whole countries of course. The next 20 years this is going to be either frightening or enlightening to indigenous populations depending on your point of view. We ain’t seen nothing yet.

greyhound wrote: ↑Fri Nov 12, 2021 4:08 pm should be worrying about this country 3,000 migrants in a month
open up let them all in that's what I say.