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Posted: **Sat Oct 12, 2024 2:36 pm**

Terrorism in any form and carried out by any group is defenceless and abhorrent. The mass extermination of innocent civilians is equal and criminal. I support neither.

Posted: **Sat Oct 12, 2024 2:44 pm**

I’m not going to get an answer so will stop trying

Posted: **Sat Oct 12, 2024 3:11 pm**

Currywurst and Chips wrote: ↑Sat Oct 12, 2024 2:44 pm I’m not going to get an answer so will stop trying

Yeah, know how you feel.

Posted: **Sat Oct 12, 2024 8:49 pm**

We all know, that this will go on, until Israel has completely and absolutely defeated the Lebanese people .

Israel has raised Gaza to the ground the region is now dust and rubble, and one day when someone has to clear that rubble away I'm sure they'll find thousands of dead and probably rotting bodies in it.

I have seen pictures taken by people in the region, that you won't see on BBC etc, that are so horrific, I physically have been sick . Babies with their heads completely blown off, babies and young children burnt to a cinder, burnt like a crisp , children without faces, without legs, without arms. None of those babies were Hamas!

One day , probably in about 40 years time young children will ask their grandparents, how did you let this happen, how did the world stand by and allow this to happen. There is no answer

I can't see any point from now on in posting on this subject on the board. Israel will carry on till nothing is left, and the world will let them.

Posted: **Sat Oct 12, 2024 10:08 pm**

Agree with you Qin. They are getting away with this because any criticism is passed off as antisemitism. It’s all been said before and nobody in a position to do something about it will risk their career by doing so.
History will judge us for standing by and not decrying this abomination of a State.

Posted: **Sun Oct 13, 2024 7:57 am**

What did Hezbollah think would happen after spending months firing rockets at another country?

A lot of ignorance of the Lebanese people on display here. Many of them would be delighted to be rid of the Iranian-backed colonial oppressors that is Hezbollah. You can't just lazily roll out the Palestinian Greatest Protest Hits and apply them there.

Posted: **Sun Oct 13, 2024 8:44 am**

Qin wrote: ↑Sat Oct 12, 2024 8:49 pm We all know, that this will go on, until Israel has completely and absolutely defeated the Lebanese people .

Israel has raised Gaza to the ground the region is now dust and rubble, and one day when someone has to clear that rubble away I'm sure they'll find thousands of dead and probably rotting bodies in it.

I have seen pictures taken by people in the region, that you won't see on BBC etc, that are so horrific, I physically have been sick . Babies with their heads completely blown off, babies and young children burnt to a cinder, burnt like a crisp , children without faces, without legs, without arms. None of those babies were Hamas!

One day , probably in about 40 years time young children will ask their grandparents, how did you let this happen, how did the world stand by and allow this to happen. There is no answer

I can't see any point from now on in posting on this subject on the board. Israel will carry on till nothing is left, and the world will let them.

The challenge you've got, is your argument against Israel in this conflict amounts to zero, so you attempt to use emotional blackmail about kids being killed in Gaza. Obviously, this omits two absolutely fundamental points; context & intent.

Context being Hamas breaking the ceasefire when it executed a depraved & barbaric genocidal pogrom against Jews, which was 13 times worse than 9/11 on a per capita basis.
Unless you're suggesting the IDF have deliberately targeted kids in response (which you need to clarify), there is zero moral equivalence between the IDF & Hamas. Instead, it's the sad reality of a war where genocidal terrorist groups like Hamas & Hezbollah hide away in civilian areas & are responsible for for all deaths on both sides.

Posted: **Sun Oct 13, 2024 8:48 am**

BoniO wrote: ↑Sat Oct 12, 2024 10:08 pm Agree with you Qin. They are getting away with this because any criticism is passed off as antisemitism. It’s all been said before and nobody in a position to do something about it will risk their career by doing so.
History will judge us for standing by and not decrying this abomination of a State.

Yeah, so Jewish refugees from the Holocaust creating a tiny safe haven in their ancestral homeland, the only Jewish state, is an abomination.....

Posted: **Sun Oct 13, 2024 8:49 am**

I thought it was the government’s actions not the state they had an issue with?

Posted: **Sun Oct 13, 2024 8:50 am**

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Posted: **Sun Oct 13, 2024 8:53 am**

Rich Tea Wellin wrote: ↑Sat Oct 12, 2024 1:45 pm Talking of deflection it’s interesting that anti semitism comes up after an image was posted ignoring the fact that Palestine has thousands of years of history as well. Clearly a bigoted imagine that seems to get a pass. Says a lot.

Interesting take. As far as I'm aware, the Jewish Nation has existed for around 3000 years, & there was zero concept of a Palestinian Arab National identity until the 20th Century.....

Posted: **Sun Oct 13, 2024 9:08 am**

Currywurst and Chips wrote: ↑Sun Oct 13, 2024 8:49 am I thought it was the government’s actions not the state they had an issue with?

I just think they're a bit dim, & can't construct an argument without being a bit racist. They could take issue with Netanyahu being a bit of a wrong-un & highlight examples, the extreme unsavoury elements in the current Israeli Government, the West Bank settlements being a historic barrier to peace, etc. There's a number of perfectly justifiable reasons for being critical of Israel; like all States it isn't perfect.
These are all legit criticisms & I've never, ever seen anyone of intelligence suggest it's antisemitic to highlight any of those things, unless Israel is being held to a higher standard than other States, lied about, or being singled out for opprobrium above all other States. It really isn't difficult...

Posted: **Sun Oct 13, 2024 9:14 am**

Pagan Orient wrote: ↑Sun Oct 13, 2024 8:53 am
Rich Tea Wellin wrote: ↑Sat Oct 12, 2024 1:45 pm Talking of deflection it’s interesting that anti semitism comes up after an image was posted ignoring the fact that Palestine has thousands of years of history as well. Clearly a bigoted imagine that seems to get a pass. Says a lot.
Interesting take. As far as I'm aware, the Jewish Nation has existed for around 3000 years, & there was zero concept of a Palestinian Arab National identity until the 20th Century.....

Well, yeah and fair enough if it refers to only the state but it’s a disingenuous image portraying Palestine as a post war creation rather than its various forms being around for at least 2500 years.

Not that how old somewhere is should impact or excuse how it behaves

Posted: **Sun Oct 13, 2024 10:07 am**

Qin wrote: ↑Sat Oct 12, 2024 8:49 pm We all know, that this will go on, until Israel has completely and absolutely defeated the Lebanese people .

Israel has raised Gaza to the ground the region is now dust and rubble, and one day when someone has to clear that rubble away I'm sure they'll find thousands of dead and probably rotting bodies in it.

I have seen pictures taken by people in the region, that you won't see on BBC etc, that are so horrific, I physically have been sick . Babies with their heads completely blown off, babies and young children burnt to a cinder, burnt like a crisp , children without faces, without legs, without arms. None of those babies were Hamas!

One day , probably in about 40 years time young children will ask their grandparents, how did you let this happen, how did the world stand by and allow this to happen. There is no answer

I can't see any point from now on in posting on this subject on the board. Israel will carry on till nothing is left, and the world will let them.

And it's a warm welcome back to the genocidically anti-semetic CumOnYourNose. Mazaltov on your new boarding name of Qin.

I'll be watching out for your fascist rantings as well as your irritating "Wellens gone by Christmas" musings.

Posted: **Sun Oct 13, 2024 11:47 am**

Pagan Orient wrote: ↑Sun Oct 13, 2024 8:48 am
BoniO wrote: ↑Sat Oct 12, 2024 10:08 pm Agree with you Qin. They are getting away with this because any criticism is passed off as antisemitism. It’s all been said before and nobody in a position to do something about it will risk their career by doing so.
History will judge us for standing by and not decrying this abomination of a State.
Yeah, so Jewish refugees from the Holocaust creating a tiny safe haven in their ancestral homeland, the only Jewish state, is an abomination.....

It’s an abomination because of its current actions, genocide in Gaza and probably more of the same to come in Lebanon. But of course you already know this but you don’t give a crap about the mass murder of civilians.

Posted: **Sun Oct 13, 2024 11:50 am**

MalvoliO wrote: ↑Sun Oct 13, 2024 10:07 am
Qin wrote: ↑Sat Oct 12, 2024 8:49 pm We all know, that this will go on, until Israel has completely and absolutely defeated the Lebanese people .

Israel has raised Gaza to the ground the region is now dust and rubble, and one day when someone has to clear that rubble away I'm sure they'll find thousands of dead and probably rotting bodies in it.

I have seen pictures taken by people in the region, that you won't see on BBC etc, that are so horrific, I physically have been sick . Babies with their heads completely blown off, babies and young children burnt to a cinder, burnt like a crisp , children without faces, without legs, without arms. None of those babies were Hamas!

One day , probably in about 40 years time young children will ask their grandparents, how did you let this happen, how did the world stand by and allow this to happen. There is no answer

I can't see any point from now on in posting on this subject on the board. Israel will carry on till nothing is left, and the world will let them.

And it's a warm welcome back to the genocidically anti-semetic CumOnYourNose. Mazaltov on your new boarding name of Qin.

I'll be watching out for your fascist rantings as well as your irritating "Wellens gone by Christmas" musings.

He’s right though isn’t he. Unless, of course you’re a big fan of the continuing mass murder of men, women and children. If you are, then you can FRO.

Posted: **Sun Oct 13, 2024 11:51 am**

Pagan Orient wrote: ↑Sun Oct 13, 2024 9:08 am
Currywurst and Chips wrote: ↑Sun Oct 13, 2024 8:49 am I thought it was the government’s actions not the state they had an issue with?
I just think they're a bit dim, & can't construct an argument without being a bit racist. They could take issue with Netanyahu being a bit of a wrong-un & highlight examples, the extreme unsavoury elements in the current Israeli Government, the West Bank settlements being a historic barrier to peace, etc. There's a number of perfectly justifiable reasons for being critical of Israel; like all States it isn't perfect.
These are all legit criticisms & I've never, ever seen anyone of intelligence suggest it's antisemitic to highlight any of those things, unless Israel is being held to a higher standard than other States, lied about, or being singled out for opprobrium above all other States. It really isn't difficult...

Hmmm, always worry when people start talking to themselves,

Posted: **Sun Oct 13, 2024 12:22 pm**

BoniO wrote: ↑Sun Oct 13, 2024 11:50 am
MalvoliO wrote: ↑Sun Oct 13, 2024 10:07 am
Qin wrote: ↑Sat Oct 12, 2024 8:49 pm We all know, that this will go on, until Israel has completely and absolutely defeated the Lebanese people .

Israel has raised Gaza to the ground the region is now dust and rubble, and one day when someone has to clear that rubble away I'm sure they'll find thousands of dead and probably rotting bodies in it.

I have seen pictures taken by people in the region, that you won't see on BBC etc, that are so horrific, I physically have been sick . Babies with their heads completely blown off, babies and young children burnt to a cinder, burnt like a crisp , children without faces, without legs, without arms. None of those babies were Hamas!

One day , probably in about 40 years time young children will ask their grandparents, how did you let this happen, how did the world stand by and allow this to happen. There is no answer

I can't see any point from now on in posting on this subject on the board. Israel will carry on till nothing is left, and the world will let them.

And it's a warm welcome back to the genocidically anti-semetic CumOnYourNose. Mazaltov on your new boarding name of Qin.

I'll be watching out for your fascist rantings as well as your irritating "Wellens gone by Christmas" musings.
He’s right though isn’t he. Unless, of course you’re a big fan of the continuing mass murder of men, women and children. If you are, then you can FRO.

No need to resort to such hostile words, Bonio, especially on a third division EFL message board. Any civilian death should be mourned as a sad loss of life whatever their religion, for sure. Sadly during wars, civilian deaths are inveitable. That is why I hold the terrorists of Hamas and Hezbollah responsible.

If only the terrorists of Hamas and Hezbollah could all turn up in distinguishable war fatigues for a big dust-up on a battlefield far away from the civilians that they purport to represent. Then we'd all know a bit more accurately how many terrorist soldiers had actually been killed... but this is not 1066 or even 1939.

But then neither you nor I live in the Middle East, so we cannot understand 100% the nuances of the history and the current situation. We can only react via the ghastly prism of biased social media and long-standing news outlets who all seem to have their own agenda.

Qin's mind is never going to be changed. He is anti-Israel, antisemetic, pro-terror and anti-Ling. But we had fifth columnists in the UK during WWII as well, so this is nothing new.

And while I am here, I'd like to commend the Israeli government for authorising a pause in fighting to allow the polio vaccinations of over half a million Gazan children to take place which is on the way to being successfully carried out from September 2024 (last month) according to Reuters and the WHO. Let's hope those same Gazan children (590,000 and upwards) are the next generation of Gazans who will extend the hand of friendship to all their neighbours.

Posted: **Sun Oct 13, 2024 12:50 pm**

Well said MalvoliO, but l think you'll find that the minds of Bonio and Qin (or should that be the alias of ComeOnYouOs) are so deeply ingrained with anti-everything that nothing will ever change their way of thinking.

Posted: **Sun Oct 13, 2024 12:53 pm**

MalvoliO wrote: ↑Sun Oct 13, 2024 12:22 pm
BoniO wrote: ↑Sun Oct 13, 2024 11:50 am
MalvoliO wrote: ↑Sun Oct 13, 2024 10:07 am

And it's a warm welcome back to the genocidically anti-semetic CumOnYourNose. Mazaltov on your new boarding name of Qin.

I'll be watching out for your fascist rantings as well as your irritating "Wellens gone by Christmas" musings.
He’s right though isn’t he. Unless, of course you’re a big fan of the continuing mass murder of men, women and children. If you are, then you can FRO.
No need to resort to such hostile words, Bonio, especially on a third division EFL message board. Any civilian death should be mourned as a sad loss of life whatever their religion, for sure. Sadly during wars, civilian deaths are inveitable. That is why I hold the terrorists of Hamas and Hezbollah responsible.

If only the terrorists of Hamas and Hezbollah could all turn up in distinguishable war fatigues for a big dust-up on a battlefield far away from the civilians that they purport to represent. Then we'd all know a bit more accurately how many terrorist soldiers had actually been killed... but this is not 1066 or even 1939.

But then neither you nor I live in the Middle East, so we cannot understand 100% the nuances of the history and the current situation. We can only react via the ghastly prism of biased social media and long-standing news outlets who all seem to have their own agenda.

Qin's mind is never going to be changed. He is anti-Israel, antisemetic, pro-terror and anti-Ling. But we had fifth columnists in the UK during WWII as well, so this is nothing new.

And while I am here, I'd like to commend the Israeli government for authorising a pause in fighting to allow the polio vaccinations of over half a million Gazan children to take place which is on the way to being successfully carried out from September 2024 (last month) according to Reuters and the WHO. Let's hope those same Gazan children (590,000 and upwards) are the next generation of Gazans who will extend the hand of friendship to all their neighbours.

The hostile words were aimed at anyone who supports the continuing mass murder of civilians, whether that’s you or not is up to you.
As for commending the Israeli government for allowing polio vaccinations, then whilst it’s obviously a good thing, I can’t help but think that it’s nothing but a cynical PR exercise by a government that is routinely perfectly happy to be killing children on a daily basis.

Posted: **Sun Oct 13, 2024 12:55 pm**

Chicken Dhansak wrote: ↑Sun Oct 13, 2024 12:50 pm Well said MalvoliO, but l think you'll find that the minds of Bonio and Qin (or should that be the alias of ComeOnYouOs) are so deeply ingrained with anti-everything that nothing will ever change their way of thinking.

I promise I’ll respond positively to Israel stopping the slaughter of innocent civilians.

Posted: **Sun Oct 13, 2024 3:25 pm**

It’s a shame that after 3000 turbulent years , Israel still hasn’t learnt to behave like a grown up , decent , and international law abiding country. You would have thought that simple , common decency would prevail. Clearly not. They expect to be treated as important members of the international community but pay scant regard to the laws upon which other countries have to abide by. And all the while America supports them and furnishes them with the means to wipe their neighbours from the face of the earth. And for that very reason, they will not have sanctions applied to them as Russia does , and it proves what a joke of a world we live in.

Posted: **Mon Oct 14, 2024 12:14 am**

MalvoliO wrote: ↑Sun Oct 13, 2024 12:22 pm And while I am here, I'd like to commend the Israeli government for authorising a pause in fighting to allow the polio vaccinations of over half a million Gazan children to take place which is on the way to being successfully carried out from September 2024 (last month) according to Reuters and the WHO. Let's hope those same Gazan children (590,000 and upwards) are the next generation of Gazans who will extend the hand of friendship to all their neighbours.

How very kind of the Israeli government to try and prevent Gazan children dying from polio. Shame that they have no qualms about inflicting death and destruction on those children with their bombing and starvation.

Posted: **Mon Oct 14, 2024 11:49 am**

BoniO wrote: ↑Sun Oct 13, 2024 12:53 pm
MalvoliO wrote: ↑Sun Oct 13, 2024 12:22 pm
BoniO wrote: ↑Sun Oct 13, 2024 11:50 am

He’s right though isn’t he. Unless, of course you’re a big fan of the continuing mass murder of men, women and children. If you are, then you can FRO.
No need to resort to such hostile words, Bonio, especially on a third division EFL message board. Any civilian death should be mourned as a sad loss of life whatever their religion, for sure. Sadly during wars, civilian deaths are inveitable. That is why I hold the terrorists of Hamas and Hezbollah responsible.

If only the terrorists of Hamas and Hezbollah could all turn up in distinguishable war fatigues for a big dust-up on a battlefield far away from the civilians that they purport to represent. Then we'd all know a bit more accurately how many terrorist soldiers had actually been killed... but this is not 1066 or even 1939.

But then neither you nor I live in the Middle East, so we cannot understand 100% the nuances of the history and the current situation. We can only react via the ghastly prism of biased social media and long-standing news outlets who all seem to have their own agenda.

Qin's mind is never going to be changed. He is anti-Israel, antisemetic, pro-terror and anti-Ling. But we had fifth columnists in the UK during WWII as well, so this is nothing new.

And while I am here, I'd like to commend the Israeli government for authorising a pause in fighting to allow the polio vaccinations of over half a million Gazan children to take place which is on the way to being successfully carried out from September 2024 (last month) according to Reuters and the WHO. Let's hope those same Gazan children (590,000 and upwards) are the next generation of Gazans who will extend the hand of friendship to all their neighbours.
The hostile words were aimed at anyone who supports the continuing mass murder of civilians, whether that’s you or not is up to you.
As for commending the Israeli government for allowing polio vaccinations, then whilst it’s obviously a good thing, I can’t help but think that it’s nothing but a cynical PR exercise by a government that is routinely perfectly happy to be killing children on a daily basis.

It's quite extraordinary that, after a year of genocidal behaviour, there are still people willing to stand up and defend Israel with nonsense arguments about human shields etc. It's like they've allowed an ideology to totally rob them of their humanity.

Multiple human rights agencies, charities, aid workers have reported the realities on the ground and yet it's just dismissed as hamas supporting antisemitism.

I'm sure someone qualified will be able to write a thesis on the psychological gymastics these people go through to form their opinions but it is beyond me.

Posted: **Mon Oct 14, 2024 10:31 pm**

Jeremy Bentham wrote: ↑Mon Oct 14, 2024 11:49 am It's quite extraordinary that, after a year of genocidal behaviour, there are still people willing to stand up and defend Israel with nonsense arguments about human shields etc.

Are you saying the Hamas and Hezbollah terrorists don't use human shields? Even their leaders have admitted that they do.

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