Sid Bishop wrote: ↑Sat Jul 18, 2020 5:00 pm
Knowing people in some of those countries mentioned, also Philippines, you will find that far more draconian measures were used in the above Countries mentioned to stop the spread of Covid19. As in China, extreme lock-downs including curfews, compulsory use of social distancing and masks, measures that could not be enforced in Uk and even if attempted to be imposed on the population would not be observed by the majority. In areas of Cebu City in the Philippines there is a 8pm to 5am curfew at present, only one registered person per household allowed out of the house to go out for shopping on just one allotted day of the week, compulsory use of face masks outside the home, refusal to do may will lead to arrest. Many police and military out in these countries to monitor the people and I am told military in tanks and armoured cars to be seen in Cebu. OMG, try that in many Cities in UK and see what would happen, same goes for USA. Our people are just not used to be under such strict regimes of the type that you get out in many Far Eastern Countries, if you do not do as you are told, you are in for it. Even though the UK public have been giving the instructions about social distancing and the use of wearing masks, so many ( especially younger people ) have completely ignored the message. I have even been abused and sworn at on 2 separate occasions because when out shopping, i was wearing thin surgeon type gloves,mask and a face visor, I just ignored those 2 idiots and laughed inside myself at their ignorance and stupidity.
''Here are the points to remember for the ECQ in Cebu City:
A. Mandatory Stay-at-home order and curfew. All Cebu City residents are mandated to stay at home, especially before during the curfew from 10 p.m. to 5 a.m. daily. Senior citizens and minors are not allowed to go outside except for emergencies.
Quarantine passes must be brought by residents buying essential goods for their families. Mandatory wearing of masks. Masks should be worn in public places and the law enforcers are tasked to ensure that this is strictly followed.
Individuals not wearing masks may be apprehended.
So no illegal raves for kids to go to
No civil servants going to castles for eye tests etc ?
You do not mess around with these people.
If theyd shot 20, 000 it still would have been less dead than here.
Would you like troops on the street like this and only allowed out of the house once a week ? Get real, a character like you would not last 5 minutes in draconian type countries like these.
Sid Bishop wrote: ↑Sat Jul 18, 2020 5:26 pm
You do not mess around with these people.
If theyd shot 20, 000 it still would have been less dead than here.
Would you like troops on the street like this and only allowed out of the house once a week ? Get real, a character like you would not last 5 minutes in draconian type countries like these.
Born in Belfast sid in the 60s.
Visited many times
Was put up against a wall by soldiers whilst going to buy a sunday paper the morning after my cousins wedding . All because they didnt know my face in
The area .
Do leave off Sid
Ive seen troops on streets you old fool
faldO wrote: ↑Sat Jul 18, 2020 3:53 pm
The "top advisor" referenced in the link you provided is none other than Professor Neil Ferguson, the lockdown-breaker who couldn't keep his trousers on, resigned in shame, and whose models and predictions are often so far wide of the mark - both during this pandemic and in the past - that many people find it hard to take them seriously any more (except perhaps the government and his own paymasters).
At least if you're going to attempt to discuss science find someone to quote who has some credibility.
"Keeping trousers on".
Oh the sheer irony of it.
This coming from someone who foreover supports Alexander Johnson and the other Tory . Johnson - a proven liar and racist; who has always found great difficulty 'keeping his trousers on' with multiple partners over many years; resulting in more offspring than he'll ever admit to. A despicable human-being who also used tax-payers money; in return for amorous liaisons with pole-dancing Yank, Jennifer Arcuri, in their Shoreditch love nest.
Whooops sorry........you asked me to find someone who has some credibility.
I bet my partner that within 30 mins of my post you'd come back with some predictable "whataboutery", 5 clown smilies, at least one "Oh", and some rant about the Tories or Boris which was irrelevant to the original point (you chose "the trousers").
I was right on 4 out of 5 counts (but only 2 out on the clowns).
Why not read what your favourite source of information said about it and see if you can just take a moment to understand the points being raised and why they at least merit discussion.
BoniO wrote: ↑Sat Jul 18, 2020 4:13 pm
Putting aside Fergusons cock-up with his paramour, if he was known to be so suspect then why the hell was the Government using him and referring to his modelling.
It's a good question, and one others have asked. I don't know.
Re: Coronavirus
Posted: Sat Jul 18, 2020 6:09 pm
by NuneatonO's
I'd have much preferred to have seen troops on UK streets imposing lockdown; than having them involved in illegal wars; backing up the USA and potentially killing innocent people.
Ornchurch wrote: ↑Sat Jul 18, 2020 3:13 pm
This government undoubtedly made a number of mistakes in the handling of the pandemic.
However, nobody has any idea as to whether a different government would have handled it differently, better or worse.
On that basis, should we absolve Tony Blair for the Iraq War then?
No. But at the same time there is also no point saying that a different PM or government would have done anything different.
Plus, as mentioned previously it was voted on in Parliament.
I understand party politics but when we come to these unprecedented major threats that are non-political the blaming of a Tory government just because they are Tory, or vice versa, just seems utterly pointless to me.
Ornchurch wrote: ↑Sat Jul 18, 2020 3:13 pm
This government undoubtedly made a number of mistakes in the handling of the pandemic.
However, nobody has any idea as to whether a different government would have handled it differently, better or worse.
On that basis, should we absolve Tony Blair for the Iraq War then?
Can you explain what you mean in relation to absolving Blair from the Ira1 War please.
Maybe you felt it was unjust at the time , but those in westminster voted for the "War to take place "
All but a few voted against.
Jeremy Corbyn Diane Abbott & 1 or 2 other Hard Left mps.
Now that is such a coincidence that
You agreed with Corbyn & Abbott
I'm opposed to ALL warfare; unless it is in the very real defence of our Country. WW2 was a fight against Facism - I would have willingly volunteered!
Did I feel the Iraq War was unjust at the time? Absolutely. Shortly thereafter, I left the Labour Party (rejoining in 2015 when a decent, honest man took back the leadership).
Ornchurch wrote: ↑Sat Jul 18, 2020 3:13 pm
This government undoubtedly made a number of mistakes in the handling of the pandemic.
However, nobody has any idea as to whether a different government would have handled it differently, better or worse.
On that basis, should we absolve Tony Blair for the Iraq War then?
No. But at the same time there is also no point saying that a different PM or government would have done anything different.
I understand party politics but when we come to these unprecedented major threats that are non-political the blaming of a Tory government just because they are Tory, or vice versa, just seems utterly pointless to me.
Indeed.
However, when the Tory Government fail to encompass the support of other political parties, the unions, etc. then who do you honestly expect me to point the finger of blame at?
That and the constant Tory Lies; coupled with their abject inability to ever admit blame.
Incompetence is something that we all suffer with to varying degrees. Lying, corruption and utter BS are self-managed choices.
NuneatonO's wrote: ↑Sat Jul 18, 2020 3:45 pm
On that basis, should we absolve Tony Blair for the Iraq War then?
No. But at the same time there is also no point saying that a different PM or government would have done anything different.
I understand party politics but when we come to these unprecedented major threats that are non-political the blaming of a Tory government just because they are Tory, or vice versa, just seems utterly pointless to me.
Indeed.
However, when the Tory Government fail to encompass the support of other political parties, the unions, etc. then who do you honestly expect me to point the finger of blame at?
IMO this is what should have happened for Brexit. Respect the vote and form an all-party group to work on the withdrawal. Instead it spiralled in to a party political fight that bored everyone for years until the public spoke at the election. How different could it have been if the Brexit vote was respected in the first place?
Following that there is no way on earth that an all-party group would be formed to deal with Covid.
NuneatonO's wrote: ↑Sat Jul 18, 2020 3:45 pm
On that basis, should we absolve Tony Blair for the Iraq War then?
Can you explain what you mean in relation to absolving Blair from the Ira1 War please.
Maybe you felt it was unjust at the time , but those in westminster voted for the "War to take place "
All but a few voted against.
Jeremy Corbyn Diane Abbott & 1 or 2 other Hard Left mps.
Now that is such a coincidence that
You agreed with Corbyn & Abbott
I'm opposed to ALL warfare; unless it is in the very real defence of our Country. WW2 was a fight against Facism - I would have willingly volunteered!
Did I feel the Iraq War was unjust at the time? Absolutely. Shortly thereafter, I left the Labour Party (rejoining in 2015 when a decent, honest man took back the leadership).
I was against that war
However all media backed it.
As George W had basically called the world out
With his " WITH US OR AGAINST US " quote ,
It then becomes very difficult to step back.
If i was a member of the labour party , im not sure i would have left in protest . I would have stayed like Corbyn did & fought back from within.
Im not a member & have no problem if people decided to leave though. Many ways to skin a cat as they say
NuneatonO's wrote: ↑Sat Jul 18, 2020 3:45 pm
On that basis, should we absolve Tony Blair for the Iraq War then?
Can you explain what you mean in relation to absolving Blair from the Ira1 War please.
Maybe you felt it was unjust at the time , but those in westminster voted for the "War to take place "
All but a few voted against.
Jeremy Corbyn Diane Abbott & 1 or 2 other Hard Left mps.
Now that is such a coincidence that
You agreed with Corbyn & Abbott
I'm opposed to ALL warfare; unless it is in the very real defence of our Country. WW2 was a fight against Facism - I would have willingly volunteered!
Did I feel the Iraq War was unjust at the time? Absolutely. Shortly thereafter, I left the Labour Party (rejoining in 2015 when a decent, honest man took back the leadership).
A decent man who shares stages with terrorists? A honorable man who supports hamas and hezzbola and invites convicted IRA people to parliament after 5 British people were killed by the IRA at Brighton in which they tried to kill the then PM?
With friends like these I wonder who your enemies are?
Can you explain what you mean in relation to absolving Blair from the Ira1 War please.
Maybe you felt it was unjust at the time , but those in westminster voted for the "War to take place "
All but a few voted against.
Jeremy Corbyn Diane Abbott & 1 or 2 other Hard Left mps.
Now that is such a coincidence that
You agreed with Corbyn & Abbott
I'm opposed to ALL warfare; unless it is in the very real defence of our Country. WW2 was a fight against Facism - I would have willingly volunteered!
Did I feel the Iraq War was unjust at the time? Absolutely. Shortly thereafter, I left the Labour Party (rejoining in 2015 when a decent, honest man took back the leadership).
A decent man who shares stages with terrorists? A honorable man who supports hamas and hezzbola and invites convicted IRA people to parliament after 5 British people were killed by the IRA at Brighton in which they tried to kill the then PM?
With friends like these I wonder who your enemies are?
Emma little pengelly dup & backer of all things tory
Whose father is a convicted terrorist , who was jailed for aelling official british secrets to south africa & who bought guns that were used to murder british citizens .
Can you explain what you mean in relation to absolving Blair from the Ira1 War please.
Maybe you felt it was unjust at the time , but those in westminster voted for the "War to take place "
All but a few voted against.
Jeremy Corbyn Diane Abbott & 1 or 2 other Hard Left mps.
Now that is such a coincidence that
You agreed with Corbyn & Abbott
I'm opposed to ALL warfare; unless it is in the very real defence of our Country. WW2 was a fight against Facism - I would have willingly volunteered!
Did I feel the Iraq War was unjust at the time? Absolutely. Shortly thereafter, I left the Labour Party (rejoining in 2015 when a decent, honest man took back the leadership).
A decent man who shares stages with terrorists? A honorable man who supports hamas and hezzbola and invites convicted IRA people to parliament after 5 British people were killed by the IRA at Brighton in which they tried to kill the then PM?
With friends like these I wonder who your enemies are?
Backed by Drug dealing & people who aim cars at Catholic british citizens
Re: Coronavirus
Posted: Sat Jul 18, 2020 6:51 pm
by Thor
NuneatonO's wrote: ↑Sat Jul 18, 2020 6:44 pm
Is it cold and windy up that tree tonight Thor?
Just palm trees here out my window of and a lovely looking sea. You should try it someday it might just get you to relax a little bit instead of combustion on here.
Re: Coronavirus
Posted: Sat Jul 18, 2020 6:54 pm
by Thor
How did I know little boy tuffers would be along shortly after?
Tuffers NO said corbyn was an honorable man, I was just disproving or highlighting the very fact he isn't. I was not commenting on anyone else nor was I suggesting everyone else is wonderful.
Pretty school boy retort by you. Next you'll be telling me your dads bigger than my dad!! Ha ha
Re: Coronavirus
Posted: Sat Jul 18, 2020 6:57 pm
by tuffers#1
Thor wrote: ↑Sat Jul 18, 2020 6:54 pm
How did I know little boy tuffers would be along shortly after?
Tuffers NO said corbyn was an honorable man, I was just disproving or highlighting the very fact he isn't. I was not commenting on anyone else nor was I suggesting everyone else is wonderful.
Pretty school boy retort by you. Next you'll be telling me your dads bigger than my dad!! Ha ha
A decent man who shares stages with terrorists? A honorable man who supports hamas and hezzbola and invites convicted IRA people to parliament after 5 British people were killed by the IRA at Brighton in which they tried to kill the then PM?
With friends like these I wonder who your enemies are?
ThorLevel Five Boarder
Re: CoronavirusReportQuoteThanks
Post Sat Jul 18, 2020 6:54 pm
How did I know little boy tuffers would be along shortly after?
Tuffers NO said corbyn was an honorable man, I was just disproving or highlighting the very fact he isn't. I was not commenting on anyone else nor was I suggesting everyone else is wonderful.
Pretty school boy retort by you. Next you'll be telling me your dads bigger than my dad!! Ha ha
A decent man who shares stages with terrorists? A honorable man who supports hamas and hezzbola and invites convicted IRA people to parliament after 5 British people were killed by the IRA at Brighton in which they tried to kill the then PM?
With friends like these I wonder who your enemies are?
ThorLevel Five Boarder
Re: CoronavirusReportQuoteThanks
Post Sat Jul 18, 2020 6:54 pm
How did I know little boy tuffers would be along shortly after?
Tuffers NO said corbyn was an honorable man, I was just disproving or highlighting the very fact he isn't. I was not commenting on anyone else nor was I suggesting everyone else is wonderful.
Pretty school boy retort by you. Next you'll be telling me your dads bigger than my dad!! Ha ha
What Thory thinks he said to waht he actually said
He's a complete loon ( as in canadian national bird not as in a tic)
Thor wrote: ↑Sat Jul 18, 2020 6:54 pm
How did I know little boy tuffers would be along shortly after?
Tuffers NO said corbyn was an honorable man, I was just disproving or highlighting the very fact he isn't. I was not commenting on anyone else nor was I suggesting everyone else is wonderful.
Pretty school boy retort by you. Next you'll be telling me your dads bigger than my dad!! Ha ha
Thor wrote: ↑Sat Jul 18, 2020 6:54 pm
How did I know little boy tuffers would be along shortly after?
Tuffers NO said corbyn was an honorable man, I was just disproving or highlighting the very fact he isn't. I was not commenting on anyone else nor was I suggesting everyone else is wonderful.
Thory who are the terrorists he shared a stage with by the way , can you name them please for me .
Thanks .
