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Max B Gold wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 1:02 pm

Dohnut (ALM) wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 12:37 pm

Ronnie Hotdogs wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 10:20 am

Sorry to hear your family has been hit so hard by Covid.

Here's the latest guidance from the Government, tells you what you should be doing to avoid catching - and spreading - the virus: https://www.gov.uk/coronavirus?gclid=Cj ... aEQAvD_BwE

Good luck.

Thanks. But what we have learned is that no matter how hard you try as individuals, you are, out of circumstances, reliant on others too taking every possible precaution. Many don’t.

Then make them.

I get IMBECILES trying to get into my cab without a mask. No mask. No go.

I secured a supply of surgical masks from the depressingly useless local council and hand them out if the punters want one. They can then travel unless of course if in the initial verbal exchanges they got it on with lippy bantz. Then it's no travel and on to ze liszt they go.

I suggest you secure a supply of masks and keep them in your pocket when you go to the day centre and hand them out to the freedom seeking rebels who don't have one. Together we can beat the selfish stupids.

Of course always remembering that in Spain , where numbers recently have been higher than ours , they have been wearing masks inside and out since last June

George wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 1:11 pm

Max B Gold wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 1:02 pm

Dohnut (ALM) wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 12:37 pm

Thanks. But what we have learned is that no matter how hard you try as individuals, you are, out of circumstances, reliant on others too taking every possible precaution. Many don’t.

Then make them.

I get IMBECILES trying to get into my cab without a mask. No mask. No go.

I secured a supply of surgical masks from the depressingly useless local council and hand them out if the punters want one. They can then travel unless of course if in the initial verbal exchanges they got it on with lippy bantz. Then it's no travel and on to ze liszt they go.

I suggest you secure a supply of masks and keep them in your pocket when you go to the day centre and hand them out to the freedom seeking rebels who don't have one. Together we can beat the selfish stupids.

Of course always remembering that in Spain , where numbers recently have been higher than ours , they have been wearing masks inside and out since last June

Loads of fatties out there though. Mainly concentrated in coastal areas.

Fat shamer

George wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 1:20 pmFat shamer

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Max B Gold wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 1:02 pm

Dohnut (ALM) wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 12:37 pm

Ronnie Hotdogs wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 10:20 am

Sorry to hear your family has been hit so hard by Covid.

Here's the latest guidance from the Government, tells you what you should be doing to avoid catching - and spreading - the virus: https://www.gov.uk/coronavirus?gclid=Cj ... aEQAvD_BwE

Good luck.

Thanks. But what we have learned is that no matter how hard you try as individuals, you are, out of circumstances, reliant on others too taking every possible precaution. Many don’t.

Then make them.

I get IMBECILES trying to get into my cab without a mask. No mask. No go.

I secured a supply of surgical masks from the depressingly useless local council and hand them out if the punters want one. They can then travel unless of course if in the initial verbal exchanges they got it on with lippy bantz. Then it's no travel and on to ze liszt they go.

I suggest you secure a supply of masks and keep them in your pocket when you go to the day centre and hand them out to the freedom seeking rebels who don't have one. Together we can beat the selfish stupids.

Then make them! Really! My daughter works in a junior school, working throughout lockdowns, looking after the children of key workers. My granddaughter apprentices in a nursery, open during lockdown. Masks, social distancing! These ain’t adults getting into a cab.

My son-in-laws job involves public safety, working throughout lockdown, I guess he could refuse help to someone not wearing a mask! But he wouldn’t. My sister in a nursing home.

Reliance on people not being fecking stupid. It hasn’t worked!

I have good reason to get hacked off by people who don’t take this nasty virus seriously. And I make no apologies either. Not a subject I take glibly, not joke about. it kills! Takes people before their time.

You can't rely on other people, you're right, which is why it's so important you follow the guidance and practice best measures to ensure you keep yourself safe.

Again, please read the link I posted above, it will help your family to stop catching Covid all the time.

Dohnut (ALM) wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 2:55 pm

Max B Gold wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 1:02 pm

Dohnut (ALM) wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 12:37 pm

Thanks. But what we have learned is that no matter how hard you try as individuals, you are, out of circumstances, reliant on others too taking every possible precaution. Many don’t.

Then make them.

I get IMBECILES trying to get into my cab without a mask. No mask. No go.

I secured a supply of surgical masks from the depressingly useless local council and hand them out if the punters want one. They can then travel unless of course if in the initial verbal exchanges they got it on with lippy bantz. Then it's no travel and on to ze liszt they go.

I suggest you secure a supply of masks and keep them in your pocket when you go to the day centre and hand them out to the freedom seeking rebels who don't have one. Together we can beat the selfish stupids.

Then make them! Really! My daughter works in a junior school, working throughout lockdowns, looking after the children of key workers. My granddaughter apprentices in a nursery, open during lockdown. Masks, social distancing! These ain’t adults getting into a cab.

My son-in-laws job involves public safety, working throughout lockdown, I guess he could refuse help to someone not wearing a mask! But he wouldn’t. My sister in a nursing home.

Reliance on people not being fecking stupid. It hasn’t worked!

I have good reason to get hacked off by people who don’t take this nasty virus seriously. And I make no apologies either. Not a subject I take glibly, not joke about. it kills! Takes people before their time.

Especially when an inept Tory government
For so long kept messing things up !

Dohnut (ALM) wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 2:55 pm

Max B Gold wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 1:02 pm

Dohnut (ALM) wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 12:37 pm

Thanks. But what we have learned is that no matter how hard you try as individuals, you are, out of circumstances, reliant on others too taking every possible precaution. Many don’t.

Then make them.

I get IMBECILES trying to get into my cab without a mask. No mask. No go.

I secured a supply of surgical masks from the depressingly useless local council and hand them out if the punters want one. They can then travel unless of course if in the initial verbal exchanges they got it on with lippy bantz. Then it's no travel and on to ze liszt they go.

I suggest you secure a supply of masks and keep them in your pocket when you go to the day centre and hand them out to the freedom seeking rebels who don't have one. Together we can beat the selfish stupids.

Then make them! Really! My daughter works in a junior school, working throughout lockdowns, looking after the children of key workers. My granddaughter apprentices in a nursery, open during lockdown. Masks, social distancing! These ain’t adults getting into a cab.

My son-in-laws job involves public safety, working throughout lockdown, I guess he could refuse help to someone not wearing a mask! But he wouldn’t. My sister in a nursing home.

Reliance on people not being fecking stupid. It hasn’t worked!

I have good reason to get hacked off by people who don’t take this nasty virus seriously. And I make no apologies either. Not a subject I take glibly, not joke about. it kills! Takes people before their time.

Hey! Chillax grandad. I was just trying to help you and your mates down the day centre. Also, should have sussed it a long time ago that you've got a peeler in the family. It explains a lot.

George wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 1:11 pm
Of course always remembering that in Spain , where numbers recently have been higher than ours , they have been wearing masks inside and out since last June

That's pretty much bollox. Only in the last few days have their numbers exceeded ours, but that can be put down to the fact that 33% of Brits have had the jab compared to less than 9% in Spain.

Sirkier doing his best to make Tony Blair’s 20 points differential a reality.

https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/ar ... 32-3-4-mar

Smashing it baby.

Yougov is Tory owned, just look at its founders

Jeremy will win a majority at the election, all my friends at the Islington Food Bank agree

Ronnie Hotdogs wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 3:08 pm You can't rely on other people, you're right, which is why it's so important you follow the guidance and practice best measures to ensure you keep yourself safe.

Again, please read the link I posted above, it will help your family to stop catching Covid all the time.

Thanks but we read the stuff that comes out, pay attention and follow the rules. The places where my family work take all reasonable precautions and more besides. My family are fastidious and have been since the outbreak. Despite all that, and for the reasons I have already stated, they are through their work reliant on others. My daughter, granddaughter and son-in-law have had Covid despite precautions.

The issue is not with those of us that do our best to follow the rules, but the A-holes who ignore them. They are the reason people are dying.

Max B Gold wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 3:11 pm

Dohnut (ALM) wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 2:55 pm

Max B Gold wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 1:02 pm

Then make them.

I get IMBECILES trying to get into my cab without a mask. No mask. No go.

I secured a supply of surgical masks from the depressingly useless local council and hand them out if the punters want one. They can then travel unless of course if in the initial verbal exchanges they got it on with lippy bantz. Then it's no travel and on to ze liszt they go.

I suggest you secure a supply of masks and keep them in your pocket when you go to the day centre and hand them out to the freedom seeking rebels who don't have one. Together we can beat the selfish stupids.

Then make them! Really! My daughter works in a junior school, working throughout lockdowns, looking after the children of key workers. My granddaughter apprentices in a nursery, open during lockdown. Masks, social distancing! These ain’t adults getting into a cab.

My son-in-laws job involves public safety, working throughout lockdown, I guess he could refuse help to someone not wearing a mask! But he wouldn’t. My sister in a nursing home.

Reliance on people not being fecking stupid. It hasn’t worked!

I have good reason to get hacked off by people who don’t take this nasty virus seriously. And I make no apologies either. Not a subject I take glibly, not joke about. it kills! Takes people before their time.

Hey! Chillax grandad. I was just trying to help you and your mates down the day centre. Also, should have sussed it a long time ago that you've got a peeler in the family. It explains a lot.

No peelers in my family, but would be happy if that was the case.

Dunners wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 8:16 pm

Will Owen Jones be using this data to rid Labour or Starmer and introduce a far left leader I wonder.

Dunners wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 8:16 pm

Did we lose the argument too this time?

Dunners wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 8:16 pm

As Owen Jones says, a worse position for Labour than when Corbyn lost the election......so how come the right-wingetrs in the party aren't calling for Starmers head?
Starmer is the worst leader of the Labour party since WW2.....by far
If he actually tried to oppose the government, once in a while, his position might improve a tad

It was wrong to go after Corbyn in 2016, would be wrong to go after Starmer now. But his caution is starting to look like a complete inability to take a position.

What I find baffling is the Tory numbers. One of the worst pandemic responses in the entire world, there'll be 160k dead by time vaccination programme is completed, and people still seem to be on board with it. Very grim.

Mistadobalina wrote: ↑Fri Mar 05, 2021 10:30 am It was wrong to go after Corbyn in 2016, would be wrong to go after Starmer now. But his caution is starting to look like a complete inability to take a position.

What I find baffling is the Tory numbers. One of the worst pandemic responses in the entire world, there'll be 160k dead by time vaccination programme is completed, and people still seem to be on board with it. Very grim.

Starmer has taken positions - ludicrous ones.

He has form for taking untenable policy positions. E.g. the Brexit fiasco going into the GE 2019 was very much down to him.

I have no idea who is advising him but they are utterly useless. Both they and he need to go.

As the second eleven of capitalism the Labour Party is not fit for purpose and a new socialist party based on the unions is required.

Starmer is trying to square the interests of greedy capitalists with those of the workring class. It won't work. Many of the larger unions are waking up to this and questioning why they are funding it.

Max B Gold wrote: ↑Fri Mar 05, 2021 10:59 am

Mistadobalina wrote: ↑Fri Mar 05, 2021 10:30 am It was wrong to go after Corbyn in 2016, would be wrong to go after Starmer now. But his caution is starting to look like a complete inability to take a position.

What I find baffling is the Tory numbers. One of the worst pandemic responses in the entire world, there'll be 160k dead by time vaccination programme is completed, and people still seem to be on board with it. Very grim.

Starmer has taken positions - ludicrous ones.

He has form for taking untenable policy positions. E.g. the Brexit fiasco going into the GE 2019 was very much down to him.

I have no idea who is advising him but they are utterly useless. Both they and he need to go.

As the second eleven of capitalism the Labour Party is not fit for purpose and a new socialist party based on the unions is required.

Starmer is trying to square the interests of greedy capitalists with those of the workring class. It won't work. Many of the larger unions are waking up to this and questioning why they are funding it.

So you're saying Corbyn was so weak he let a shadow cabinet minister dictate their policy on the biggest issue

Interesting

A socialist alternative you say? Shame there's not like 15 already that aren't crazy or rapey in any way

Currywurst and Chips wrote: ↑Fri Mar 05, 2021 11:04 am

Max B Gold wrote: ↑Fri Mar 05, 2021 10:59 am

Mistadobalina wrote: ↑Fri Mar 05, 2021 10:30 am It was wrong to go after Corbyn in 2016, would be wrong to go after Starmer now. But his caution is starting to look like a complete inability to take a position.

What I find baffling is the Tory numbers. One of the worst pandemic responses in the entire world, there'll be 160k dead by time vaccination programme is completed, and people still seem to be on board with it. Very grim.

Starmer has taken positions - ludicrous ones.

He has form for taking untenable policy positions. E.g. the Brexit fiasco going into the GE 2019 was very much down to him.

I have no idea who is advising him but they are utterly useless. Both they and he need to go.

As the second eleven of capitalism the Labour Party is not fit for purpose and a new socialist party based on the unions is required.

Starmer is trying to square the interests of greedy capitalists with those of the workring class. It won't work. Many of the larger unions are waking up to this and questioning why they are funding it.

So you're saying Corbyn was so weak he let a shadow cabinet minister dictate their policy on the biggest issue

Interesting

A socialist alternative you say? Shame there's not like 15 already that aren't crazy or rapey in any way

It's not about individuals. It's about the balance of political forces within the party at the time. JC had to accommodate the centerists within the PLP for the sake of some bastardised version of unity to present a proposition to the electorate.

Was JC a good leader - No and I said that right from the start but he was part of a movement to counter the neo liberal infiltrators in the Labour Party. That battle is not over by a long chalk.

I will ignore the childish remarks in your final para. Let me know when you want to discuss this in a grown up way.

ComeOnYouOs wrote: ↑Fri Mar 05, 2021 10:16 am

Dunners wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 8:16 pm

As Owen Jones says, a worse position for Labour than when Corbyn lost the election......so how come the right-wingetrs in the party aren't calling for Starmers head?
Starmer is the worst leader of the Labour party since WW2.....by far
If he actually tried to oppose the government, once in a while, his position might improve a tad

Slightly hyperbolic - not sure if you can really claim this after he's only been in the job for a year. Putting aside the cries of what about Corbyn, are you really putting Starmer behind Foot and Milliband?

Likewise, I do think we're possibly seeing the end of Labour as a real form of opposition to the Tories. It's increasingly impossible to accommodate the so called broad church with either the left of the right seeking to undermine or unseat whoever's leading the party. The left will be doing it's utmost now to cut Starmer off at the knees in retaliation for the way Corbyn was hampered for most of his leadership. And on it'll go ad infinitum until there's an eventual split into socialist labour and some newly formed centre ground party modelled on the Blair / Brown Noo Labour version. The decline for Labour though dates back beyond Corbyn and Milliband and I suspect Corbyn's result in 2017 might end up being a last hurrah.

And the Tories will go on being Tories and probably keep winning elections. They've managed to nick some of the so called centre ground before Starmer's even worked out where it is. The Labour thinking on tax looks confused and muddled and policy-wise, I'm not seeing much new thinking. Appreciate that being in opposition during the pandemic isn't an easy gig, but there's a lot to aim at with this government (120,000 deaths for a start) and Labour, not just Starmer aren't landing any telling punches.

Max B Gold wrote: ↑Fri Mar 05, 2021 11:15 am

Currywurst and Chips wrote: ↑Fri Mar 05, 2021 11:04 am

Max B Gold wrote: ↑Fri Mar 05, 2021 10:59 am

Starmer has taken positions - ludicrous ones.

He has form for taking untenable policy positions. E.g. the Brexit fiasco going into the GE 2019 was very much down to him.

I have no idea who is advising him but they are utterly useless. Both they and he need to go.

As the second eleven of capitalism the Labour Party is not fit for purpose and a new socialist party based on the unions is required.

Starmer is trying to square the interests of greedy capitalists with those of the workring class. It won't work. Many of the larger unions are waking up to this and questioning why they are funding it.

So you're saying Corbyn was so weak he let a shadow cabinet minister dictate their policy on the biggest issue

Interesting

A socialist alternative you say? Shame there's not like 15 already that aren't crazy or rapey in any way

It's not about individuals. It's about the balance of political forces within the party at the time. JC had to accommodate the centerists within the PLP for the sake of some bastardised version of unity to present a proposition to the electorate.

Was JC a good leader - No and I said that right from the start but he was part of a movement to counter the neo liberal infiltrators in the Labour Party. That battle is not over by a long chalk.

I will ignore the childish remarks in your final para. Let me know when you want to discuss this in a grown up way.

How can founding another Socialist alternative to Labour help anything?

It's been done countless times before and is never successful and just ends in factionalism and sometimes, criminality

What makes THIS time different? The left vote is already miniscule, why divide it further?