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Posted: **Mon Nov 30, 2020 11:41 am**

E10EU wrote: ↑Mon Nov 30, 2020 3:21 am https://www.doubledown.news/watch/2020/ ... tisemitism

Yet Starmer is still obsessing about the EHRC report and how to crucify Corbyn!
Whose hymn sheet has he signed up to?

My theory: the independent report on the leaked 800 page document of just how some LP staff undermined the party under Corbyn's leadership is due to be released soon. Of course, Starmer would not want to acknowledge that he now is the owner of that sh*t and just how disgusting the actions within LP staffers were. So maybe he is keeping Corbyn as 'hostage' in hope to force Corbyn to exonerate Starmer in exchange for 'allowing Corbyn to represent his constituents as Labour MP'?

Mark my words!

Crucify?

Posted: **Mon Nov 30, 2020 11:43 am**

Prestige Worldwide wrote: ↑Mon Nov 30, 2020 11:41 am
E10EU wrote: ↑Mon Nov 30, 2020 3:21 am https://www.doubledown.news/watch/2020/ ... tisemitism

Yet Starmer is still obsessing about the EHRC report and how to crucify Corbyn!
Whose hymn sheet has he signed up to?

My theory: the independent report on the leaked 800 page document of just how some LP staff undermined the party under Corbyn's leadership is due to be released soon. Of course, Starmer would not want to acknowledge that he now is the owner of that sh*t and just how disgusting the actions within LP staffers were. So maybe he is keeping Corbyn as 'hostage' in hope to force Corbyn to exonerate Starmer in exchange for 'allowing Corbyn to represent his constituents as Labour MP'?

Mark my words!
Crucify?

A form of Roman punishmemt

Posted: **Mon Nov 30, 2020 11:58 am**

PoliticOs wrote: ↑Mon Nov 30, 2020 11:27 am
Oiram wrote: ↑Mon Nov 30, 2020 8:02 am
PoliticOs wrote: ↑Mon Nov 30, 2020 2:45 am

Do you not think Labour voters thinking they are the 'wrong type' of MP or minister might just be...the fact they are conservatives?

Rishi Sunak is the wrong type of Chancellor for me, as I'm not a conservative. You can applaud progression and individual achievement AND want someone else in the role. As much as I agree with you Labour need to look at themselves first, its just frankly a bit silly to keep saying the 'wrong type' as if its a well thought out point.
Well obvious Labour do not any Conservatives but we are in a democracy and even though the Tories are leading by example promoting BAME representation, these BAME criticised for their choice of politics.
Yes, exactly. They are being criticised for their politics. So maybe don't allure to different and play the ball and not the man?

The Tories love it though seeing Labour tearing itself apart , not their problem.

Posted: **Mon Nov 30, 2020 12:00 pm**

Ronnie Hotdogs wrote: ↑Mon Nov 30, 2020 9:03 am
Oiram wrote: ↑Mon Nov 30, 2020 8:02 am but we are in a democracy and
But we’re not really.

We really are still. Would not think it following the Democratic EU Referendum and the post vote shenanigans that went on.

Posted: **Mon Nov 30, 2020 12:28 pm**

Oiram wrote: ↑Mon Nov 30, 2020 11:58 am
PoliticOs wrote: ↑Mon Nov 30, 2020 11:27 am
Oiram wrote: ↑Mon Nov 30, 2020 8:02 am

Well obvious Labour do not any Conservatives but we are in a democracy and even though the Tories are leading by example promoting BAME representation, these BAME criticised for their choice of politics.
Yes, exactly. They are being criticised for their politics. So maybe don't allure to different and play the ball and not the man?
The Tories love it though seeing Labour tearing itself apart , not their problem.

Yet you are so very quiet when it comes to the Tory thread that picks up on
The nemerous f*ck ups made by Government .

Here is the link just in case you ever need help to find it

viewtopic.php?f=3&t=424&start=2975

Posted: **Mon Nov 30, 2020 12:43 pm**

Calm down tuffers. Labour are inviting the postings on this thread by their own mistakes etc.

Just enjoy it for what it is, a bit of banter.

Posted: **Mon Nov 30, 2020 12:50 pm**

Thor wrote: ↑Mon Nov 30, 2020 12:43 pm Calm down tuffers. Labour are inviting the postings on this thread by their own mistakes etc.

Just enjoy it for what it is, a bit of banter.

viewtopic.php?f=3&t=424&start=2975

Well come enjoy some bants over here Thory boy

Unless you're scared to ?

Posted: **Mon Nov 30, 2020 3:16 pm**

tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 30, 2020 12:28 pm
Oiram wrote: ↑Mon Nov 30, 2020 11:58 am
PoliticOs wrote: ↑Mon Nov 30, 2020 11:27 am

Yes, exactly. They are being criticised for their politics. So maybe don't allure to different and play the ball and not the man?
The Tories love it though seeing Labour tearing itself apart , not their problem.
Yet you are so very quiet when it comes to the Tory thread that picks up on
The nemerous f*ck ups made by Government .

Here is the link just in case you ever need help to find it

viewtopic.php?f=3&t=424&start=2975

Thanks but I am well aware and disappointed at their shortcomings.

Have been trying to work out why a ‘substantial meal ‘ will prevent Covid, especially where one pub I know is saying that it is fine to sit in their pub drinking tea and coffee all day.

Anyhow Tuffer, one thing for sure, rather have Tories than Labour any day unless under Blair who was a great Tory PM.

Posted: **Fri Dec 18, 2020 8:55 am**

Labour members being suspended from the party for no reason*.

https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/li ... r-19468369

*being socialists.

Posted: **Fri Dec 18, 2020 9:06 am**

Jonathan wrote: ↑Sun Apr 14, 2019 10:26 pm Seems strange that the people that murdered innocent civilians are not under arrest, yet Chelsea Manning and Julian Assange who murdered no one are both under arrest.
Strange world we're living in

Assange, serial bail jumper, expert at evading investigations into sexual assault allegations in addition to other matters, author of his own downfall. Irresponsible, fathering children whilst on the run and wanted. He is a con artist .

Posted: **Fri Dec 18, 2020 12:11 pm**

Oiram wrote: ↑Fri Dec 18, 2020 9:06 am
Jonathan wrote: ↑Sun Apr 14, 2019 10:26 pm Seems strange that the people that murdered innocent civilians are not under arrest, yet Chelsea Manning and Julian Assange who murdered no one are both under arrest.
Strange world we're living in

Assange, serial bail jumper, expert at evading investigations into sexual assault allegations in addition to other matters, author of his own downfall. Irresponsible, fathering children whilst on the run and wanted. He is a con artist .

There are strong rumours coming our of Washington, that Trump is going to pardon Assange, as a last two fingered salute to the establishment.
Would be the only decent thing he's done in office

Posted: **Fri Dec 18, 2020 12:24 pm**

That would be interesting.

Posted: **Fri Dec 18, 2020 1:07 pm**

Oiram wrote: ↑Fri Dec 18, 2020 12:24 pm That would be interesting.

And fair. The man has been broken on the wheel for standing up to Uncle Sam.

Posted: **Fri Dec 18, 2020 1:42 pm**

One must presume that a man is innocent until proven guilty. Assange as not been tried for what he has been charged with. Additionally, he has frustrated the normal judicial process by breaching his bail and abusing the trust of his sureties , I believe causing financial loss to ‘friends’ like Jemima Khan and others whose names fail me.

If he is eventually tried and found not guilty then you will be proved correct. We cannot and should not jump the gun until then I would suggest.

Posted: **Fri Dec 18, 2020 1:56 pm**

The concept of Julian Assange, getting a fair trial in America, is ridiculous.
He will be found guilty and given 30 years in jail, just like Chelsea Manning, because America is run by fascists, who will stand for no dissident views.
My own opinion is, the British authorities are hoping he dies in Belmarsh....it would save a lot of hassle.

Posted: **Fri Dec 18, 2020 1:59 pm**

Oiram wrote: ↑Fri Dec 18, 2020 1:42 pm One must presume that a man is innocent until proven guilty. Assange as not been tried for what he has been charged with. Additionally, he has frustrated the normal judicial process by breaching his bail and abusing the trust of his sureties , I believe causing financial loss to ‘friends’ like Jemima Khan and others whose names fail me.

If he is eventually tried and found not guilty then you will be proved correct. We cannot and should not jump the gun until then I would suggest.

He leaked Americas dirty secrets as a journalist there should be no charges. It is a dangerous precedent to set prosecuting a journalist in a so called free society.

Posted: **Fri Dec 18, 2020 3:04 pm**

Max B Gold wrote: ↑Fri Dec 18, 2020 1:59 pm
Oiram wrote: ↑Fri Dec 18, 2020 1:42 pm One must presume that a man is innocent until proven guilty. Assange as not been tried for what he has been charged with. Additionally, he has frustrated the normal judicial process by breaching his bail and abusing the trust of his sureties , I believe causing financial loss to ‘friends’ like Jemima Khan and others whose names fail me.

If he is eventually tried and found not guilty then you will be proved correct. We cannot and should not jump the gun until then I would suggest.
He leaked Americas dirty secrets as a journalist there should be no charges. It is a dangerous precedent to set prosecuting a journalist in a so called free society.

How he obtained the information you refer to as ‘secrets’ is the issue. The USA has a democratic system of justice , not a kangaroo court.

Let us not forget the various allegations of a sexual nature including rape that he evade in Sweden , not exactly Iran that he was facing justice in. I think some of these charges alhave been dropped due to time issues. There are still victims feeling that they have not had justice.

Posted: **Fri Dec 18, 2020 6:01 pm**

Oiram wrote: ↑Fri Dec 18, 2020 3:04 pm
Max B Gold wrote: ↑Fri Dec 18, 2020 1:59 pm
Oiram wrote: ↑Fri Dec 18, 2020 1:42 pm One must presume that a man is innocent until proven guilty. Assange as not been tried for what he has been charged with. Additionally, he has frustrated the normal judicial process by breaching his bail and abusing the trust of his sureties , I believe causing financial loss to ‘friends’ like Jemima Khan and others whose names fail me.

If he is eventually tried and found not guilty then you will be proved correct. We cannot and should not jump the gun until then I would suggest.
He leaked Americas dirty secrets as a journalist there should be no charges. It is a dangerous precedent to set prosecuting a journalist in a so called free society.
How he obtained the information you refer to as ‘secrets’ is the issue. The USA has a democratic system of justice , not a kangaroo court.

Let us not forget the various allegations of a sexual nature including rape that he evade in Sweden , not exactly Iran that he was facing justice in. I think some of these charges alhave been dropped due to time issues. There are still victims feeling that they have not had justice.

It is irrelevant how he obtained the information because he is a journalist. FACT

The Swedish charges were dropped due to there being no evidence not because of time issues.FACT.

Posted: **Fri Dec 18, 2020 6:20 pm**

Oiram wrote: ↑Fri Dec 18, 2020 3:04 pm
Max B Gold wrote: ↑Fri Dec 18, 2020 1:59 pm
Oiram wrote: ↑Fri Dec 18, 2020 1:42 pm One must presume that a man is innocent until proven guilty. Assange as not been tried for what he has been charged with. Additionally, he has frustrated the normal judicial process by breaching his bail and abusing the trust of his sureties , I believe causing financial loss to ‘friends’ like Jemima Khan and others whose names fail me.

If he is eventually tried and found not guilty then you will be proved correct. We cannot and should not jump the gun until then I would suggest.
He leaked Americas dirty secrets as a journalist there should be no charges. It is a dangerous precedent to set prosecuting a journalist in a so called free society.
How he obtained the information you refer to as ‘secrets’ is the issue. The USA has a democratic system of justice , not a kangaroo court.

Let us not forget the various allegations of a sexual nature including rape that he evade in Sweden , not exactly Iran that he was facing justice in. I think some of these charges alhave been dropped due to time issues. There are still victims feeling that they have not had justice.

Are you suggesting an accused rapist is taking pity on an accused rapist ?

Posted: **Fri Dec 18, 2020 6:32 pm**

tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Fri Dec 18, 2020 6:20 pm
Oiram wrote: ↑Fri Dec 18, 2020 3:04 pm
Max B Gold wrote: ↑Fri Dec 18, 2020 1:59 pm

He leaked Americas dirty secrets as a journalist there should be no charges. It is a dangerous precedent to set prosecuting a journalist in a so called free society.
How he obtained the information you refer to as ‘secrets’ is the issue. The USA has a democratic system of justice , not a kangaroo court.

Let us not forget the various allegations of a sexual nature including rape that he evade in Sweden , not exactly Iran that he was facing justice in. I think some of these charges alhave been dropped due to time issues. There are still victims feeling that they have not had justice.
Are you suggesting an accused rapist is taking pity on an accused rapist ?

Didn’t someone have a strap line on here which said he has not been charged with raping someone anymore than you or I? Or something like that?

Posted: **Fri Dec 18, 2020 6:34 pm**

tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Fri Dec 18, 2020 6:20 pm
Oiram wrote: ↑Fri Dec 18, 2020 3:04 pm
Max B Gold wrote: ↑Fri Dec 18, 2020 1:59 pm

He leaked Americas dirty secrets as a journalist there should be no charges. It is a dangerous precedent to set prosecuting a journalist in a so called free society.
How he obtained the information you refer to as ‘secrets’ is the issue. The USA has a democratic system of justice , not a kangaroo court.

Let us not forget the various allegations of a sexual nature including rape that he evade in Sweden , not exactly Iran that he was facing justice in. I think some of these charges alhave been dropped due to time issues. There are still victims feeling that they have not had justice.
Are you suggesting an accused rapist is taking pity on an accused rapist ?

Good point!

Posted: **Fri Dec 18, 2020 6:46 pm**

Max B Gold wrote: ↑Fri Dec 18, 2020 6:01 pm
Oiram wrote: ↑Fri Dec 18, 2020 3:04 pm
Max B Gold wrote: ↑Fri Dec 18, 2020 1:59 pm

He leaked Americas dirty secrets as a journalist there should be no charges. It is a dangerous precedent to set prosecuting a journalist in a so called free society.
How he obtained the information you refer to as ‘secrets’ is the issue. The USA has a democratic system of justice , not a kangaroo court.

Let us not forget the various allegations of a sexual nature including rape that he evade in Sweden , not exactly Iran that he was facing justice in. I think some of these charges alhave been dropped due to time issues. There are still victims feeling that they have not had justice.
It is irrelevant how he obtained the information because he is a journalist. FACT

The Swedish charges were dropped due to there being no evidence not because of time issues.FACT.

I do not agree with either of your assertions and writing ‘ fact’ in capital letters does not strengthen your argument For a start journalists cannot break the law. In the UK look at The Levison enquiry. As for Sweden, the allegations started about 8 years previously and at least on main charge was dropped due to limitations. There remains victims behind this public circus and I’m sure you would not be please if the victim was one of your family.

Whatever the case, Assange to me seems very narcissistic by his behaviour to date winning over the trust of some very prominent public figures through his ‘confidence trick’ ability. If he gets exonerated , I’d be glad to go over the spoils of the trial with you.

Posted: **Fri Dec 18, 2020 7:15 pm**

Oiram wrote: ↑Fri Dec 18, 2020 6:46 pm
Max B Gold wrote: ↑Fri Dec 18, 2020 6:01 pm
Oiram wrote: ↑Fri Dec 18, 2020 3:04 pm

How he obtained the information you refer to as ‘secrets’ is the issue. The USA has a democratic system of justice , not a kangaroo court.

Let us not forget the various allegations of a sexual nature including rape that he evade in Sweden , not exactly Iran that he was facing justice in. I think some of these charges alhave been dropped due to time issues. There are still victims feeling that they have not had justice.
It is irrelevant how he obtained the information because he is a journalist. FACT

The Swedish charges were dropped due to there being no evidence not because of time issues.FACT.
I do not agree with either of your assertions and writing ‘ fact’ in capital letters does not strengthen your argument For a start journalists cannot break the law. In the UK look at The Levison enquiry. As for Sweden, the allegations started about 8 years previously and at least on main charge was dropped due to limitations. There remains victims behind this public circus and I’m sure you would not be please if the victim was one of your family.

Whatever the case, Assange to me seems very narcissistic by his behaviour to date winning over the trust of some very prominent public figures through his ‘confidence trick’ ability. If he gets exonerated , I’d be glad to go over the spoils of the trial with you.

Journalists can use material obtained unlawfully but what we have here is a govt trying to prosecute someone for revealing that they broke the law. Why are you defending that?

As before, If the Swedish allegations had any substance they would still be live charges and would not have been allowed to "time out". The fact they were not pursued was because of their flimsy and trumped up nature. Assange agreed to meet the Swedish authorities in the UK. They turned down that opportunity. There is no victim if there was no crime.

As regards your irrelevant mention of Assange's personality. I had no idea you were a qualified psychiatrist as well as an ill informed internet bore.

Posted: **Fri Dec 18, 2020 7:22 pm**

Thor wrote: ↑Fri Dec 18, 2020 6:32 pm
tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Fri Dec 18, 2020 6:20 pm
Oiram wrote: ↑Fri Dec 18, 2020 3:04 pm

How he obtained the information you refer to as ‘secrets’ is the issue. The USA has a democratic system of justice , not a kangaroo court.

Let us not forget the various allegations of a sexual nature including rape that he evade in Sweden , not exactly Iran that he was facing justice in. I think some of these charges alhave been dropped due to time issues. There are still victims feeling that they have not had justice.
Are you suggesting an accused rapist is taking pity on an accused rapist ?
Didn’t someone have a strap line on here which said he has not been charged with raping someone anymore than you or I? Or something like that?

Nah that was Spen talking about Epstein

Where as I T.Thory have just said an accused rapist on both counts .
No names have been mentioned no charges no assertions of guilt .

Posted: **Fri Dec 18, 2020 7:33 pm**

Oiram wrote: ↑Fri Dec 18, 2020 9:06 am
Jonathan wrote: ↑Sun Apr 14, 2019 10:26 pm Seems strange that the people that murdered innocent civilians are not under arrest, yet Chelsea Manning and Julian Assange who murdered no one are both under arrest.
Strange world we're living in

Assange, serial bail jumper, expert at evading investigations into sexual assault allegations in addition to other matters, author of his own downfall. Irresponsible, fathering children whilst on the run and wanted. He is a con artist .

viewtopic.php?f=3&t=424&start=3050

Oi what the f*ck are you posting Assange bollocks on the Tory thread for ?

Put it in the Tory thread ffs after all it was a tory led govt that let him
Go inside the Embassy .

If only we had a decent f*cking moderator to moderate this board !!

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