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MalvoliO wrote: ↑Fri Jul 26, 2024 5:49 pm
Also Gaza has had a little bit of odious subsidising by Iran, but obvs for nefarious purposes (Dunners can elaborate).

MalvoliO wrote: ↑Fri Jul 26, 2024 6:06 pm You have said this many times on the board Max B Gold, yet you have no word on the peace that comes after the terrorists of Hamas have left the building/left the tunnels.

There is a hostage release and ceasefire deal being negotatiated right now, and I keep my fingers crossed for all the innocent people in the region that long-term proper peace and prosperity breaks out. It is actually possible for folks of all nationalities and religions to generally rub along together in real life, as proved over many years in the Holy Land by all colours and creeds.

So what could the future of a peaceful and welcoming Gaza actually look like?

And do you agree that Hamas, nor an armed militia, can play no part in the future of Gaza? From your writings on this board I am not sure but it looks to me like you support Hamas (as well as Orient of course).

MalvoliO wrote: ↑Fri Jul 26, 2024 6:06 pm You have said this many times on the board Max B Gold, yet you have no word on the peace that comes after the terrorists of Hamas have left the building/left the tunnels.

There is a hostage release and ceasefire deal being negotatiated right now, and I keep my fingers crossed for all the innocent people in the region that long-term proper peace and prosperity breaks out. It is actually possible for folks of all nationalities and religions to generally rub along together in real life, as proved over many years in the Holy Land by all colours and creeds.

Whit? The violence of the last 75 years has been perpetrated by the Zionist settlers from Europe and the US as they stole Palestinian land and continue to do so. Zionism is a racist ideology that can never accommodate other people or religions.

So what could the future of a peaceful and welcoming Gaza actually look like?

There is a short term and a long term future.

Short term there needs to be recognition of the state of Palestine and the return of the Palestinian lands identified by the UN. As well as the dismantling of Israeli apartheid.

Long-term - zionism has to be defeated and a secular state established which recognises and protects the rights of all its citizens

And do you agree that Hamas, nor an armed militia, can play no part in the future of Gaza? From your writings on this board I am not sure but it looks to me like you support Hamas (as well as Orient of course).

If, after reading my posts that is the conclusion you have reached then you are an IMBECILE.

Max B Gold wrote: ↑Fri Jul 26, 2024 7:31 pm

MalvoliO wrote: ↑Fri Jul 26, 2024 6:06 pm You have said this many times on the board Max B Gold, yet you have no word on the peace that comes after the terrorists of Hamas have left the building/left the tunnels.

There is a hostage release and ceasefire deal being negotatiated right now, and I keep my fingers crossed for all the innocent people in the region that long-term proper peace and prosperity breaks out. It is actually possible for folks of all nationalities and religions to generally rub along together in real life, as proved over many years in the Holy Land by all colours and creeds.

Whit? The violence of the last 75 years has been perpetrated by the Zionist settlers from Europe and the US as they stole Palestinian land and continue to do so. Zionism is a racist ideology that can never accommodate other people or religions.

So what could the future of a peaceful and welcoming Gaza actually look like?

There is a short term and a long term future.

Short term there needs to be recognition of the state of Palestine and the return of the Palestinian lands identified by the UN. As well as the dismantling of Israeli apartheid.

Long-term - zionism has to be defeated and a secular state established which recognises and protects the rights of all its citizens

And do you agree that Hamas, nor an armed militia, can play no part in the future of Gaza? From your writings on this board I am not sure but it looks to me like you support Hamas (as well as Orient of course).

If, after reading my posts that is the conclusion you have reached then you are an IMBECILE.

Max B Gold wrote: ↑Fri Jul 26, 2024 7:31 pm Zionism is a racist ideology that can never accommodate other people or religions

faldO wrote: ↑Fri Jul 26, 2024 8:19 pm

Max B Gold wrote: ↑Fri Jul 26, 2024 7:31 pm Zionism is a racist ideology that can never accommodate other people or religions

No it isn't.

Zionism is the desire for an independent Jewish state in ancient homelands.

Max B Gold wrote: ↑Fri Jul 26, 2024 9:21 pm Zionism is a racist ideology. Easily demonstrated by the fact that they are carrying out a genocide against the "other" and for those not being slaughtered in Gaza the life of the other under an Apartheid state is no less pleasant as they are dispossessed and murdered in the West Bank.

Max B Gold wrote: ↑Fri Jul 26, 2024 9:21 pm Jewish people have a home in the countries they live in throughout the world. Why do they need to take someone else's?

Max B Gold wrote: ↑Fri Jul 26, 2024 9:21 pm Why is it right that a religion needs a home?

Max B Gold wrote: ↑Fri Jul 26, 2024 10:26 pm The Israeli state is a Zionist state. Always has been.

Yes, Jewish people have been murdered and expelled from some countries. That does not bestow on them the right to a "homeland" or for zionists in that homeland to perpetrate genocide.

So religion isn't important for Jews. It must then be straightforward colonialism rather than some sort of ancient right. No?

Ski Sunday wrote: ↑Fri Jul 26, 2024 10:40 pm

Max B Gold wrote: ↑Fri Jul 26, 2024 10:26 pm The Israeli state is a Zionist state. Always has been.

Yes, Jewish people have been murdered and expelled from some countries. That does not bestow on them the right to a "homeland" or for zionists in that homeland to perpetrate genocide.

So religion isn't important for Jews. It must then be straightforward colonialism rather than some sort of ancient right. No?

Long live the Fuhter

Max B Gold wrote: ↑Fri Jul 26, 2024 11:36 pm

Ski Sunday wrote: ↑Fri Jul 26, 2024 10:40 pm Long live the Fuhter

And the Zionists who were his friends. And his new found genociders in Israel.

faldO wrote: ↑Sat Jul 27, 2024 9:55 am

Max B Gold wrote: ↑Fri Jul 26, 2024 11:36 pm

Ski Sunday wrote: ↑Fri Jul 26, 2024 10:40 pm Long live the Fuhter

And the Zionists who were his friends. And his new found genociders in Israel.

Ken Livingstone would be proud of you.

Any claim that Nazis and Zionists ever shared a common goal is not only cynical and disingenuous, but a distortion of clearly established historical fact. (https://www.independent.co.uk/news/worl ... 09981.html)

It was the Arab Grand Mufti of Jerusalem who was the real friend of Hitler. The two met in 1941 and shared a common interest - a solution to the "Jewish question" in the Arab world.

Ski Sunday wrote: ↑Sat Jul 27, 2024 3:38 pm Can't we just have a poll to find out how many of us would like to see Israel destroyed and all its inhabitants murdered ?

BoniO wrote: ↑Fri Jul 26, 2024 8:31 pm It’s quite amazing how the State of Israel is still supported by some on here. Clearly, the Israeli state can do whatever the feck it wants to do - murder, genocide, starvation of a population - and still these loons support it.

Ski Sunday wrote: ↑Sat Jul 27, 2024 5:24 pm Let's be honest with each other, how many of us are really bothered about Palestine? One, two at the very most, the fact is, most of us just want to see Israel completely destroyed. So lets have a poll.

Ski Sunday wrote: ↑Sat Jul 27, 2024 5:28 pm

BoniO wrote: ↑Fri Jul 26, 2024 8:31 pm It’s quite amazing how the State of Israel is still supported by some on here. Clearly, the Israeli state can do whatever the feck it wants to do - murder, genocide, starvation of a population - and still these loons support it.

BONIO, just cut the BS and say 'I hate the fekkin Jews', what are you frightened of ?

Dunners wrote: ↑Sat Jul 27, 2024 6:02 pm Apparently it's a Druze town, if that makes any difference. Loads more dead kids.

BoniO wrote: ↑Sat Jul 27, 2024 7:16 pm

Ski Sunday wrote: ↑Sat Jul 27, 2024 5:28 pm

BoniO wrote: ↑Fri Jul 26, 2024 8:31 pm It’s quite amazing how the State of Israel is still supported by some on here. Clearly, the Israeli state can do whatever the feck it wants to do - murder, genocide, starvation of a population - and still these loons support it.

BONIO, just cut the BS and say 'I hate the fekkin Jews', what are you frightened of ?

Hmm - that’s just the kind of thing Hoover would say