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Re: Labour Watch
Posted: Fri Nov 27, 2020 2:26 pm
by Ronnie Hotdogs
Orient Punxx wrote: ↑Fri Nov 27, 2020 1:47 pm
A hell of a lot of people, regardless of their politics now conclude he is.
He had a chance to set the record straight and show some acknowledgment of the Equality Commissions report - he did the opposite!
A hell of a lot of people who aren't scared of a smattering of socialism have concluded he isn't. As he obviously isn't.
Re: Labour Watch
Posted: Fri Nov 27, 2020 3:01 pm
by Oiram
Max B Gold wrote: ↑Fri Nov 27, 2020 2:16 pm
Oiram wrote: ↑Fri Nov 27, 2020 2:07 pm
Max B Gold wrote: ↑Fri Nov 27, 2020 12:31 pm
What damages Labour even more is morons like you making false accusations.
And possibly those still in denial?
In denial of what exactly?
That there is an ‘antisemitism problem ‘ in the Labour Party. Until it is acknowledged, it cannot be effectively dealt with.
Re: Labour Watch
Posted: Fri Nov 27, 2020 3:13 pm
by Stowaway
Oiram wrote: ↑Fri Nov 27, 2020 3:01 pm
Max B Gold wrote: ↑Fri Nov 27, 2020 2:16 pm
Oiram wrote: ↑Fri Nov 27, 2020 2:07 pm
And possibly those still in denial?
In denial of what exactly?
That there is an ‘antisemitism problem ‘ in the Labour Party. Until it is acknowledged, it cannot be effectively dealt with.
As has been stated countless times, there are those who deliberately confuse and obfuscate the difference between the traditional left-wing support of Palestine and the oppression of its people, and anti-semitism for political gain. The tories, no doubt guided by Cummings, played this up to big effect at the last election, aided by the media and various right-wing Jewish groups such as the Board of Deputies and the editor of the JC, who counts himself as a friend of Johnson. I genuinely don’t believe the Labour Party has a problem with anti-semitism, mostly because being anti-Semitic goes directly against everything the party stands for.
In much the same way, Tories were also instructed to use the term Marxist as much as possible in reference to Corbyn, when he’s clearly never been anything of the sort.
Re: Labour Watch
Posted: Fri Nov 27, 2020 3:22 pm
by Oiram
Stowaway wrote: ↑Fri Nov 27, 2020 3:13 pm
Oiram wrote: ↑Fri Nov 27, 2020 3:01 pm
Max B Gold wrote: ↑Fri Nov 27, 2020 2:16 pm
In denial of what exactly?
That there is an ‘antisemitism problem ‘ in the Labour Party. Until it is acknowledged, it cannot be effectively dealt with.
As has been stated countless times, there are those who deliberately confuse and obfuscate the difference between the traditional left-wing support of Palestine and the oppression of its people, and anti-semitism for political gain. The tories, no doubt guided by Cummings, played this up to big effect at the last election, aided by the media and various right-wing Jewish groups such as the Board of Deputies and the editor of the JC, who counts himself as a friend of Johnson. I genuinely don’t believe the Labour Party has a problem with anti-semitism, mostly because being anti-Semitic goes directly against everything the party stands for.
In much the same way, Tories were also instructed to use the term Marxist as much as possible in reference to Corbyn, when he’s clearly never been anything of the sort.
Another ploy and smokescreen used by antisemitism deniers is bringing in the Tories in any discussion. It is the Labour Party not the Tories that need to deal with their problems.
When you have the likes of Margaret Hodge being treated like she has , still being victimised, there is a real big hurdle for Labour to overcome.
Re: Labour Watch
Posted: Fri Nov 27, 2020 3:38 pm
by ComeOnYouOs
To all the right wingers on here, who keep going on about anti semitism in Labour under Corbyn.....can you actually show me some examples of Jew hate ( real anti semitism), because I cant find any ( Dont dare use opposition to the brutal, occupying entity that goes under the name of Israel, as 'proof' of anti semitism)
Re: Labour Watch
Posted: Fri Nov 27, 2020 3:40 pm
by Max B Gold
Oiram wrote: ↑Fri Nov 27, 2020 3:01 pm
Max B Gold wrote: ↑Fri Nov 27, 2020 2:16 pm
Oiram wrote: ↑Fri Nov 27, 2020 2:07 pm
And possibly those still in denial?
In denial of what exactly?
That there is an ‘antisemitism problem ‘ in the Labour Party. Until it is acknowledged, it cannot be effectively dealt with.
I'm not denying there is an issue. Neither is Corbyn. It's a matter of proportion. The extent of it within Labour is exaggerated for political reasons by people who reject socialism but have no valid. arguments to refute it on a political level.
These people are using Jews as a political battering ram.
Re: Labour Watch
Posted: Fri Nov 27, 2020 3:45 pm
by Max B Gold
Can I suggest that it might be useful to listen to this Jewish woman on how she views the situation.
https://www.doubledown.news/watch/
Re: Labour Watch
Posted: Fri Nov 27, 2020 3:52 pm
by Oiram
I will of course, thank you.
Re: Labour Watch
Posted: Fri Nov 27, 2020 4:20 pm
by Ronnie Hotdogs
I'm not a Labour party member. I am however Jewish.
I hate all these centrists and right wing c**ts pretending that 1) there's a Problem and 2) that they give a sh*t about it. Get to f**k.
Re: Labour Watch
Posted: Fri Nov 27, 2020 4:24 pm
by Dunners
Ronnie Hotdogs wrote: ↑Fri Nov 27, 2020 4:20 pm
I'm not a Labour party member. I am however Jewish.
To be fair mate, it shows.
Re: Labour Watch
Posted: Fri Nov 27, 2020 4:47 pm
by Rich Tea Wellin
Ronnie Hotdogs wrote: ↑Fri Nov 27, 2020 4:20 pm
I'm not a Labour party member. I am however Jewish.
I hate all these centrists and right wing c**ts pretending that 1) there's a Problem and 2) that they give a sh*t about it. Get to f**k.
Want me to forward you that email about world dominance I got by default? Assume you have it to, but just in case.
Re: Labour Watch
Posted: Fri Nov 27, 2020 9:52 pm
by Ronnie Hotdogs
Dunners wrote: ↑Fri Nov 27, 2020 4:24 pm
Ronnie Hotdogs wrote: ↑Fri Nov 27, 2020 4:20 pm
I'm not a Labour party member. I am however Jewish.
To be fair mate, it shows.
That’s my bald patch, not a cap, if that’s what you’re referring to.
Re: Labour Watch
Posted: Fri Nov 27, 2020 9:56 pm
by Rich Tea Wellin
Re: Labour Watch
Posted: Sat Nov 28, 2020 12:45 am
by E10EU
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... t-the-whip
Steve Bell has a real knack of unmasking the sick sh*t going on in politics.
Re: Labour Watch
Posted: Sat Nov 28, 2020 9:37 am
by Currywurst and Chips
I'm not a Labour member but feel like I can comment about the conditions in CLPs with confidence because it helps my side.
Re: Labour Watch
Posted: Mon Nov 30, 2020 12:48 am
by E10EU
This is the assessment from a respected journalist who lives in Israel:
https://consortiumnews.com/2020/11/10/l ... erference/
And here is just what extremes the Starmer Labour party leadership will go to silence any questioning of their stance:
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/l ... r-BB1bt2dk
This is even though the EHRC report only deemed 3 clear cases of anti semitism.
You would never believe that, given the way it is presented in the media.
Under Starmer's leadership party members are forbidden to discuss Starmer's decision regarding Corbyn under threat of suspension and expulsion from the party. Wow! This is like Johnson ejecting the Tory MPs who did not agree and questioned him.
Just for balance and perspective:
https://www.jewishvoiceforlabour.org.uk ... sh-people/
Interesting that the media never interviews any this group of Jewish members of the Labour party.
Re: Labour Watch
Posted: Mon Nov 30, 2020 1:46 am
by E10EU
As an interesting aside:
The EHRC declined the request to investigate allegations of Islamophobia in the Tory party. They deemed the Tory party capable of investigating themselves!
Just think about that - while keeping in mind just how Johnson exonerated Prity Patel, even though his own appointed internal supposedly independent investigator had deemed her guilty!
Re: Labour Watch
Posted: Mon Nov 30, 2020 1:58 am
by Oiram
Your reference to Tories and swerving the issue is precisely one of the problems with Labour, two wrongs do not make a right. As for the Tories they have record number of Asians and Muslims as Ministers and MP’s but of course ‘wrong type’ in Labour’s eyes !
Re: Labour Watch
Posted: Mon Nov 30, 2020 2:16 am
by E10EU
Oiram wrote: ↑Mon Nov 30, 2020 1:58 am
Your reference to Tories and swerving the issue is precisely one of the problems with Labour, two wrongs do not make a right. As for the Tories they have record number of Asians and Muslims as Ministers and MP’s but of course ‘wrong type’ in Labour’s eyes !
Seems that you have not understood my post!
Patel was found guilty by somebody appointed as 'capable, eminent and trustworthy' by her own party yet that person found her GUILtY! And then Johnson, the leader of her own party, chose to disregard the finding of his party's disciplinary process.
Re: Labour Watch
Posted: Mon Nov 30, 2020 2:45 am
by PoliticOs
Oiram wrote: ↑Mon Nov 30, 2020 1:58 am
Your reference to Tories and swerving the issue is precisely one of the problems with Labour, two wrongs do not make a right. As for the Tories they have record number of Asians and Muslims as Ministers and MP’s but of course ‘wrong type’ in Labour’s eyes !
Do you not think Labour voters thinking they are the 'wrong type' of MP or minister might just be...the fact they are conservatives?
Rishi Sunak is the wrong type of Chancellor for me, as I'm not a conservative. You can applaud progression and individual achievement AND want someone else in the role. As much as I agree with you Labour need to look at themselves first, its just frankly a bit silly to keep saying the 'wrong type' as if its a well thought out point.
Re: Labour Watch
Posted: Mon Nov 30, 2020 3:21 am
by E10EU
https://www.doubledown.news/watch/2020/ ... tisemitism
Yet Starmer is still obsessing about the EHRC report and how to crucify Corbyn!
Whose hymn sheet has he signed up to?
My theory: the independent report on the leaked 800 page document of just how some LP staff undermined the party under Corbyn's leadership is due to be released soon. Of course, Starmer would not want to acknowledge that he now is the owner of that sh*t and just how disgusting the actions within LP staffers were. So maybe he is keeping Corbyn as 'hostage' in hope to force Corbyn to exonerate Starmer in exchange for 'allowing Corbyn to represent his constituents as Labour MP'?
Mark my words!
Re: Labour Watch
Posted: Mon Nov 30, 2020 8:02 am
by Oiram
PoliticOs wrote: ↑Mon Nov 30, 2020 2:45 am
Oiram wrote: ↑Mon Nov 30, 2020 1:58 am
Your reference to Tories and swerving the issue is precisely one of the problems with Labour, two wrongs do not make a right. As for the Tories they have record number of Asians and Muslims as Ministers and MP’s but of course ‘wrong type’ in Labour’s eyes !
Do you not think Labour voters thinking they are the 'wrong type' of MP or minister might just be...the fact they are conservatives?
Rishi Sunak is the wrong type of Chancellor for me, as I'm not a conservative. You can applaud progression and individual achievement AND want someone else in the role. As much as I agree with you Labour need to look at themselves first, its just frankly a bit silly to keep saying the 'wrong type' as if its a well thought out point.
Well obvious Labour do not any Conservatives but we are in a democracy and even though the Tories are leading by example promoting BAME representation, these BAME criticised for their choice of politics.
Re: Labour Watch
Posted: Mon Nov 30, 2020 8:05 am
by Oiram
E10EU wrote: ↑Mon Nov 30, 2020 2:16 am
Oiram wrote: ↑Mon Nov 30, 2020 1:58 am
Your reference to Tories and swerving the issue is precisely one of the problems with Labour, two wrongs do not make a right. As for the Tories they have record number of Asians and Muslims as Ministers and MP’s but of course ‘wrong type’ in Labour’s eyes !
Seems that you have not understood my post!
Patel was found guilty by somebody appointed as 'capable, eminent and trustworthy' by her own party yet that person found her GUILtY! And then Johnson, the leader of her own party, chose to disregard the finding of his party's disciplinary process.
Did not mean she had to be sacked. Labour would love that as political point scoring. Last year you had convicted Labour MP (perverting course justice) refusing to resign and had to be hounded out by her constituents.
Re: Labour Watch
Posted: Mon Nov 30, 2020 9:03 am
by Ronnie Hotdogs
Oiram wrote: ↑Mon Nov 30, 2020 8:02 am
but we are in a democracy and
But we’re not really.
Re: Labour Watch
Posted: Mon Nov 30, 2020 11:27 am
by PoliticOs
Oiram wrote: ↑Mon Nov 30, 2020 8:02 am
PoliticOs wrote: ↑Mon Nov 30, 2020 2:45 am
Oiram wrote: ↑Mon Nov 30, 2020 1:58 am
Your reference to Tories and swerving the issue is precisely one of the problems with Labour, two wrongs do not make a right. As for the Tories they have record number of Asians and Muslims as Ministers and MP’s but of course ‘wrong type’ in Labour’s eyes !
Do you not think Labour voters thinking they are the 'wrong type' of MP or minister might just be...the fact they are conservatives?
Rishi Sunak is the wrong type of Chancellor for me, as I'm not a conservative. You can applaud progression and individual achievement AND want someone else in the role. As much as I agree with you Labour need to look at themselves first, its just frankly a bit silly to keep saying the 'wrong type' as if its a well thought out point.
Well obvious Labour do not any Conservatives but we are in a democracy and even though the Tories are leading by example promoting BAME representation, these BAME criticised for their choice of politics.
Yes, exactly. They are being criticised for their politics. So maybe don't allure to different and play the ball and not the man?