Shamima Begum

[MassiveForehead]

Quite a few well informed bods are saying she is more dangerous where she is now, than in the UK where she could be closely scrutinised. I would suggest a nice hotel placement in the constituency of Christchurch ( my favourite bête noire ) is the honourable (?) member.

Chope is a cretin (not as big as Swayne tho), but it's much nicer in Christchurch than it is in Leyton. I know which one I'd choose to live in.

[Yanzi Gravy]

What legal basis are you asserting this on?

Many of the other high court cases where the judiciary are on the side of the common man, the law is cast aside for common sense. The just stop the oils cases for example is a classic example. Ok the protesters smash the glass which was like bull it proof and bespoke for the bank but the protesters go and bought the centre punch ( some people would not know the meaning these days) and knew how to use it to criminal damage the thick glass. The law judges saw this differently . The judges discharged the case. The McDonald’s two case similarly cost the m Donald’s Two nothing despite losing the trial but cost thre Hamburger giant as Michael Mansfield is a top exert lawyer. Michael fights of those without a voice.

You haven’t stated a legal basis, also…..

The ER protestors were found not guilty in a crown court jury trial not the Supreme Court

The McLibel case was a civil case ruled on in the high court not the Supreme Court and they ruled against the respondents

It’s a tuff#1 one but, on balance, I’m going to go with the unanimous court of appeal board of judges over your legal knowledge.

The court where these cases are heard are immaterial. It is the change in the once ‘establishment old school tie stiff upper lip attitudes ‘ that matter. Look at the judge this week let the women convicted of displaying the hang gliders on their jackets during the pro Palestinian March , walk free with leniency. This judge is a Transgender Judge but oh no, not an ordinary judge transgender. She was transgender before it became headline news and talked about , Oxford educated as well and a shining rising star in her own right, written books, a clever and knowledgeable lady who incidentally is wedded to a lady of equal academic brilliance. This Judge is also a psychologist , absolutely talented and is unlike some of these politicians these days, actually in the real world .

As for the legal basis, my Readers Digest Home Law Book does not entitle me to legal audience with a high court judge but I say this, I have already heard the Begum’s legal team indicating they will approach a fresh appeal from a completely different angle and why blame them if they are fighting for her justice? She has served a life sentence at a young age and can provide valuable information to the likes of M15/16

[Currywurst and Chips]

[LittleMate]

Many of the other high court cases where the judiciary are on the side of the common man, the law is cast aside for common sense. The just stop the oils cases for example is a classic example. Ok the protesters smash the glass which was like bull it proof and bespoke for the bank but the protesters go and bought the centre punch ( some people would not know the meaning these days) and knew how to use it to criminal damage the thick glass. The law judges saw this differently . The judges discharged the case. The McDonald’s two case similarly cost the m Donald’s Two nothing despite losing the trial but cost thre Hamburger giant as Michael Mansfield is a top exert lawyer. Michael fights of those without a voice.

You haven’t stated a legal basis, also…..

The ER protestors were found not guilty in a crown court jury trial not the Supreme Court

The McLibel case was a civil case ruled on in the high court not the Supreme Court and they ruled against the respondents

It’s a tuff#1 one but, on balance, I’m going to go with the unanimous court of appeal board of judges over your legal knowledge.

The court where these cases are heard are immaterial. It is the change in the once ‘establishment old school tie stiff upper lip attitudes ‘ that matter. Look at the judge this week let the women convicted of displaying the hang gliders on their jackets during the pro Palestinian March , walk free with leniency. This judge is a Transgender Judge but oh no, not an ordinary judge transgender. She was transgender before it became headline news and talked about , Oxford educated as well and a shining rising star in her own right, written books, a clever and knowledgeable lady who incidentally is wedded to a lady of equal academic brilliance. This Judge is also a psychologist , absolutely talented and is unlike some of these politicians these days, actually in the real world .

As for the legal basis, my Readers Digest Home Law Book does not entitle me to legal audience with a high court judge but I say this, I have already heard the Begum’s legal team indicating they will approach a fresh appeal from a completely different angle and why blame them if they are fighting for her justice? She has served a life sentence at a young age and can provide valuable information to the likes of M15/16

Why would (a) she want to co-operate with our intelligent services and (b) how much reliance would we really put on that intelligence. She's been out of the loop for a while and any intelligence is likely to be of little value.

Its sad the way some peoples lives play out but everyone chooses a course. She made her bed a long time ago - at an age her religion believes she is adult enough to make that decision - and today she lays in that bed. If any government of ours believes my children are safer without her in this country then who am I to disagree.

[Yanzi Gravy]

You haven’t stated a legal basis, also…..

The ER protestors were found not guilty in a crown court jury trial not the Supreme Court

The McLibel case was a civil case ruled on in the high court not the Supreme Court and they ruled against the respondents

It’s a tuff#1 one but, on balance, I’m going to go with the unanimous court of appeal board of judges over your legal knowledge.

The court where these cases are heard are immaterial. It is the change in the once ‘establishment old school tie stiff upper lip attitudes ‘ that matter. Look at the judge this week let the women convicted of displaying the hang gliders on their jackets during the pro Palestinian March , walk free with leniency. This judge is a Transgender Judge but oh no, not an ordinary judge transgender. She was transgender before it became headline news and talked about , Oxford educated as well and a shining rising star in her own right, written books, a clever and knowledgeable lady who incidentally is wedded to a lady of equal academic brilliance. This Judge is also a psychologist , absolutely talented and is unlike some of these politicians these days, actually in the real world .

As for the legal basis, my Readers Digest Home Law Book does not entitle me to legal audience with a high court judge but I say this, I have already heard the Begum’s legal team indicating they will approach a fresh appeal from a completely different angle and why blame them if they are fighting for her justice? She has served a life sentence at a young age and can provide valuable information to the likes of M15/16

Why would (a) she want to co-operate with our intelligent services and (b) how much reliance would we really put on that intelligence. She's been out of the loop for a while and any intelligence is likely to be of little value.

Its sad the way some peoples lives play out but everyone chooses a course. She made her bed a long time ago - at an age her religion believes she is adult enough to make that decision - and today she lays in that bed. If any government of ours believes my children are safer without her in this country then who am I to disagree.

Some caller on LBC was saying that she should stay there as she knew what she was doing as she was nearly 16 and that some MPs are calling for the vote to be given for 16 year olds which flies in the face of her lawyers arguments that she was just a child so in that respect there is a valid point. I think though she could provide information about who orchestrated her to go there and contacts . Someone is obviously pulling strings in the UK to help her now which is not quite clear who. I have tried getting an appointment with. Solicitor in the high street for various reasons and it is like pushing string up hill.

[Long slender neck]

To be honest, not surprised to hear people are avoiding you.

[Long slender neck]

We've all done stupid things as teenagers.

[Yanzi Gravy]

To be honest, not surprised to hear people are avoiding you.

Why? I am a nice fellow, honest and trustworthy. Trying to get anyone to do anything these days is very difficult. Only today I tried to get a cleaner and the going rate now on the local neighbours app is about £18 per hour. I just could not get anyone from numbers given as all so busy.

[BiggsyMalone]

We've all done stupid things as teenagers.

Broken windows and got pissed on your Nan’s gin… not f*cked off to join terrorists.

[E10EU]

What a cop out from the Court of Appeal!
Seems that they didn't actually explore and evaluate the circumstances and evidence etc, but simply determined that Javid as Home Secretary made the decision and they assumed that he had explored all the details and whatever, so it is in his power to make the decision he did.
So .... one individual man was allowed such extreme power which seems to endorse party politics as more important than any other considerations.
Off with her head.
Despite the fact that she has never been charged with an offence in a British court, so even now she has never been tried and convicted!
And if that wasn't enough ....
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FFS: she was a 15 year old child!

[Hoover Attack]

We've all done stupid things as teenagers.

That’s no way to talk about Nat.

[Yanzi Gravy]

Of course they should be tried in that country. However, as far as we're aware, there's no evidence that she has committed any crimes in Syria - she's at present living in a refugee camp.

We imprison foreign nationals here in the UK for crimes committed in the UK. And then in many cases we deport those foreign nationals back to their country of origin.

So hypothetically, if SB is tried and convicted in Syria, serves her sentence, where should Syria deport her to?

Here, once her sentence finishes.

Or Bangladesh. Whats the reason she doesnt have citizenship there again? Because they dont want anything to do with her either.

This. I’ve just been reading that she has/had dual citizenship with Bangladesh so the UK revoking her citizenship has not made her stateless.

Sajid Javid instigated this . He was the Home Secretary at the time.

[LittleMate]

What a cop out from the Court of Appeal!
Seems that they didn't actually explore and evaluate the circumstances and evidence etc, but simply determined that Javid as Home Secretary made the decision and they assumed that he had explored all the details and whatever, so it is in his power to make the decision he did.
So .... one individual man was allowed such extreme power which seems to endorse party politics as more important than any other considerations.
Off with her head.
Despite the fact that she has never been charged with an offence in a British court, so even now she has never been tried and convicted!
And if that wasn't enough ....
.
FFS: she was a 15 year old child!

She was being led at the time by he cultural and not her nations beliefs.

In Muslim culture, the transition from being considered a girl to a woman is often associated with reaching the age of puberty. This is based on Islamic teachings that define puberty as the point of maturity, or "bulugh," marking a person's responsibility for their religious duties and moral conduct. The exact age at which puberty is reached can vary among individuals, but it is generally recognized to occur around the ages of 9 to 15.

She can't have it both ways. I think that if I had to err on the side of caution then I'd exclude her too. She might not be dangerous; she may have been a child in law - but she could be dangerous and she did know what she was doing.

[Hoover Attack]

What a cop out from the Court of Appeal!
Seems that they didn't actually explore and evaluate the circumstances and evidence etc, but simply determined that Javid as Home Secretary made the decision and they assumed that he had explored all the details and whatever, so it is in his power to make the decision he did.
So .... one individual man was allowed such extreme power which seems to endorse party politics as more important than any other considerations.
Off with her head.
Despite the fact that she has never been charged with an offence in a British court, so even now she has never been tried and convicted!
And if that wasn't enough ....
.
FFS: she was a 15 year old child!

She was being led at the time by he cultural and not her nations beliefs.

In Muslim culture, the transition from being considered a girl to a woman is often associated with reaching the age of puberty. This is based on Islamic teachings that define puberty as the point of maturity, or "bulugh," marking a person's responsibility for their religious duties and moral conduct. The exact age at which puberty is reached can vary among individuals, but it is generally recognized to occur around the ages of 9 to 15.

She can't have it both ways. I think that if I had to err on the side of caution then I'd exclude her too. She might not be dangerous; she may have been a child in law - but she could be dangerous and she did know what she was doing.

I know the Express might tell us otherwise but Sharia law doesn’t apply in this country just yet. She was 15 years old. She was a child.

It’s a bit disconcerting to see people claiming a 15 year old girl should be treated as a woman, if I’m honest.

[CEB]

I can’t help thinking that a lot of peoples opinions about her are partly shaped by the fact her face seems to naturally have a little bit of an unintentional smirk about it. I reckon even the big old racists would chill out a bit if she looked a bit sadder

[Dunners]

Oh, absolutely. When she was first discovered by that ITV news crew, she came across as a total bumhole. And even since then, despite the attempts to coach her and try and amend her image, she remains unlikeable.

[CEB]

Can relate

[Hoover Attack]

Have you tried make up and a baseball cap?

[CEB]

Have you tried make up and a baseball cap?

Only on separate occasions, and where I’ve taken a lot of steps to ensure I’m not traceable to my online persona

[Dunners]

I agree with Jacob.

[Proposition Joe]

Stopped clock and all that but he makes the argument very well there and absolutely agree with him.

[CEB]

Your immutable drift rightwards continues

[Dunners]

Prop Joe may as well give in now, and start attending the Conservative Club on Orford Rd. They have a decent bar, snooker table and bowling green too.

[Proposition Joe]

That does sound nice. Ages since I've played bowls.

[Currywurst and Chips]

Disagreeing with courts/calling into question their integrity

Bigging up Rees-Mogg

Guess you lot have decided to become Brexiteer gammons