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Hoover Attack wrote: ↑Wed Jul 17, 2024 9:15 pm How many Hamas members are there?

Currywurst and Chips wrote: ↑Wed Jul 17, 2024 5:58 pm

Qin wrote: ↑Wed Jul 17, 2024 10:13 am

E10EU wrote: ↑Wed Jul 17, 2024 12:41 am So Israeli bombing of Mawasi killed more than 90 people. Israel justifies this bombing by claiming they were targetting Mohammed Deif but they don't know if they have managed to kill him or whether he was even there. After 10 months of bombing Gaza to smithereens and starving the population they have so far failed to eliminate their top 3 targets. So with all their sophisticated weaponry and with generous supplies and assistance from the US and UK they are still failing with their supposed objective .... They must be quite useless as a military force! Who still believes Netanyahu's rhetoric?

I've heard it said, that eliminating Hamas is a cloak for the real objective , which is ethnic cleansing of Gazans from Gaza.
There are already Israeli real estate companies selling land in Gaza, for Israelis to build on.
They did this with the West Bank, so why not Gaza too?

No way!?

Where did you hear it be said? Please provide a link as I would be most interested in reading about this!!!!?

Qin wrote: ↑Thu Jul 18, 2024 11:19 am

Currywurst and Chips wrote: ↑Wed Jul 17, 2024 5:58 pm

Qin wrote: ↑Wed Jul 17, 2024 10:13 am
I've heard it said, that eliminating Hamas is a cloak for the real objective , which is ethnic cleansing of Gazans from Gaza.
There are already Israeli real estate companies selling land in Gaza, for Israelis to build on.
They did this with the West Bank, so why not Gaza too?

No way!?

Where did you hear it be said? Please provide a link as I would be most interested in reading about this!!!!?

https://www.aljazeera.com/program/newsf ... ng-in-gaza

faldO wrote: ↑Wed Jul 17, 2024 8:34 pm

E10EU wrote: ↑Wed Jul 17, 2024 12:41 am After 10 months of bombing Gaza to smithereens and starving the population they have so far failed to eliminate their top 3 targets ... So with all their sophisticated weaponry and with generous supplies and assistance from the US and UK they are still failing with their supposed objective .... They must be quite useless as a military force!

Wrong.

The top three Hamas targets are Deif, Marwan Issa and Yahya Sinwar. Issa was killed in March, and the IDF are reasonably confident they got Deif in the latest air strikes.

The IDF also said yesterday they have killed around half of the leadership of the Hamas military wing, and killed or injured around 14,000 Hamas terrorists, which suggests the operation is not going quite as badly as you think.

Dunners wrote: ↑Thu Jul 18, 2024 7:17 am

Hoover Attack wrote: ↑Wed Jul 17, 2024 9:15 pm How many Hamas members are there?

In February 2018 the International Institute for Strategic Studies estimated it could be as high as 40,000 militants. But I've also read lower estimates of c25,000. A lot may depend upon definitions of "members" and "militants". What isn't in dispute is that it's a serious, well-funded and sophisticated organisation.

Chicken Dhansak wrote: ↑Thu Jul 18, 2024 12:36 pm ComeUpYourArse is now going under the name of Qin and it is still spouting the same old tripe.

BoniO wrote: ↑Thu Jul 18, 2024 12:40 pm

faldO wrote: ↑Wed Jul 17, 2024 8:34 pm

E10EU wrote: ↑Wed Jul 17, 2024 12:41 am After 10 months of bombing Gaza to smithereens and starving the population they have so far failed to eliminate their top 3 targets ... So with all their sophisticated weaponry and with generous supplies and assistance from the US and UK they are still failing with their supposed objective .... They must be quite useless as a military force!

Wrong.

The top three Hamas targets are Deif, Marwan Issa and Yahya Sinwar. Issa was killed in March, and the IDF are reasonably confident they got Deif in the latest air strikes.

The IDF also said yesterday they have killed around half of the leadership of the Hamas military wing, and killed or injured around 14,000 Hamas terrorists, which suggests the operation is not going quite as badly as you think.

Thanks for the correction. Clearly the IDF are bloody good at this killing lark - really enthusiastic. Just a shame they don't seem to bother about whether they're killing civilians, men, women and children as well as Hamas. I guess, from your supportive comments, that you're OK with that.

faldO wrote: ↑Thu Jul 18, 2024 1:06 pm

BoniO wrote: ↑Thu Jul 18, 2024 12:40 pm

faldO wrote: ↑Wed Jul 17, 2024 8:34 pm

Wrong.

The top three Hamas targets are Deif, Marwan Issa and Yahya Sinwar. Issa was killed in March, and the IDF are reasonably confident they got Deif in the latest air strikes.

The IDF also said yesterday they have killed around half of the leadership of the Hamas military wing, and killed or injured around 14,000 Hamas terrorists, which suggests the operation is not going quite as badly as you think.

Thanks for the correction. Clearly the IDF are bloody good at this killing lark - really enthusiastic. Just a shame they don't seem to bother about whether they're killing civilians, men, women and children as well as Hamas. I guess, from your supportive comments, that you're OK with that.

You're welcome.

If only the Hamas terrorists wouldn't hide amongst the civilian population like the cowards they are (or better still, surrender and return the hostages) there'd be no need for innocent civilians to be killed.

The rest of your post is just emotive nonsense.

Hoover Attack wrote: ↑Thu Jul 18, 2024 1:22 pm
It all boils down to whether you're happy with innocent civillians being killed or not. I'm not, whatever their race or religion.

faldO wrote: ↑Thu Jul 18, 2024 1:43 pm

Hoover Attack wrote: ↑Thu Jul 18, 2024 1:22 pm
It all boils down to whether you're happy with innocent civillians being killed or not. I'm not, whatever their race or religion.

Neither am I.

HTH.

faldO wrote: ↑Thu Jul 18, 2024 1:06 pm

BoniO wrote: ↑Thu Jul 18, 2024 12:40 pm

faldO wrote: ↑Wed Jul 17, 2024 8:34 pm

Wrong.

The top three Hamas targets are Deif, Marwan Issa and Yahya Sinwar. Issa was killed in March, and the IDF are reasonably confident they got Deif in the latest air strikes.

The IDF also said yesterday they have killed around half of the leadership of the Hamas military wing, and killed or injured around 14,000 Hamas terrorists, which suggests the operation is not going quite as badly as you think.

Thanks for the correction. Clearly the IDF are bloody good at this killing lark - really enthusiastic. Just a shame they don't seem to bother about whether they're killing civilians, men, women and children as well as Hamas. I guess, from your supportive comments, that you're OK with that.

You're welcome.

If only the Hamas terrorists wouldn't hide amongst the civilian population like the cowards they are (or better still, surrender and return the hostages) there'd be no need for innocent civilians to be killed.

The rest of your post is just emotive nonsense.

faldO wrote: ↑Thu Jul 18, 2024 1:43 pm

Hoover Attack wrote: ↑Thu Jul 18, 2024 1:22 pm
It all boils down to whether you're happy with innocent civillians being killed or not. I'm not, whatever their race or religion.

Neither am I.

HTH.

BoniO wrote: ↑Thu Jul 18, 2024 12:40 pm

faldO wrote: ↑Wed Jul 17, 2024 8:34 pm

E10EU wrote: ↑Wed Jul 17, 2024 12:41 am After 10 months of bombing Gaza to smithereens and starving the population they have so far failed to eliminate their top 3 targets ... So with all their sophisticated weaponry and with generous supplies and assistance from the US and UK they are still failing with their supposed objective .... They must be quite useless as a military force!

Wrong.

The top three Hamas targets are Deif, Marwan Issa and Yahya Sinwar. Issa was killed in March, and the IDF are reasonably confident they got Deif in the latest air strikes.

The IDF also said yesterday they have killed around half of the leadership of the Hamas military wing, and killed or injured around 14,000 Hamas terrorists, which suggests the operation is not going quite as badly as you think.

Thanks for the correction. Clearly the IDF are bloody good at this killing lark - really enthusiastic. Just a shame they don't seem to bother about whether they're killing civilians, men, women and children as well as Hamas. I guess, from your supportive comments, that you're OK with that.

BoniO wrote: ↑Thu Jul 18, 2024 1:53 pm

faldO wrote: ↑Thu Jul 18, 2024 1:06 pm

BoniO wrote: ↑Thu Jul 18, 2024 12:40 pm

Thanks for the correction. Clearly the IDF are bloody good at this killing lark - really enthusiastic. Just a shame they don't seem to bother about whether they're killing civilians, men, women and children as well as Hamas. I guess, from your supportive comments, that you're OK with that.

You're welcome.

If only the Hamas terrorists wouldn't hide amongst the civilian population like the cowards they are (or better still, surrender and return the hostages) there'd be no need for innocent civilians to be killed.

The rest of your post is just emotive nonsense.

Israel has been using that tired old excuse for years now - it really doesn’t excuse their wanton destruction of a whole Country and its occupants. If you really don’t see that then there is little hope for you.

Rich Tea Wellin wrote: ↑Fri Jul 19, 2024 9:09 am The world’s gone mad. Who can sit and watched all these atrocities and then go on the attack with “ANTI-SEMITISM”?! No wonder so many horrible catastrophes have been allowed to happen when you’ve got people cap doffing to the likes of the IDF. Pathetic humans with no backbone or moral compass.

Would love to hear the same peoples views if a country like Iran was commiting the same crimes

FrankOFile wrote: ↑Fri Jul 19, 2024 5:57 am

BoniO wrote: ↑Thu Jul 18, 2024 12:40 pm

faldO wrote: ↑Wed Jul 17, 2024 8:34 pm

Wrong.

The top three Hamas targets are Deif, Marwan Issa and Yahya Sinwar. Issa was killed in March, and the IDF are reasonably confident they got Deif in the latest air strikes.

The IDF also said yesterday they have killed around half of the leadership of the Hamas military wing, and killed or injured around 14,000 Hamas terrorists, which suggests the operation is not going quite as badly as you think.

Thanks for the correction. Clearly the IDF are bloody good at this killing lark - really enthusiastic. Just a shame they don't seem to bother about whether they're killing civilians, men, women and children as well as Hamas. I guess, from your supportive comments, that you're OK with that.

Well, well. The chief apologist for Hamas atrocities strikes again.

Just a shame they don’t bother about whether they’re killing civilians, men, women and children as well as IDF. I guess from your supportive comments that you’re okay with that.

More wicked buffoonery which for you, is saying something.

BoniO wrote: ↑Fri Jul 19, 2024 9:55 am

FrankOFile wrote: ↑Fri Jul 19, 2024 5:57 am

BoniO wrote: ↑Thu Jul 18, 2024 12:40 pm

Thanks for the correction. Clearly the IDF are bloody good at this killing lark - really enthusiastic. Just a shame they don't seem to bother about whether they're killing civilians, men, women and children as well as Hamas. I guess, from your supportive comments, that you're OK with that.

Well, well. The chief apologist for Hamas atrocities strikes again.

Just a shame they don’t bother about whether they’re killing civilians, men, women and children as well as IDF. I guess from your supportive comments that you’re okay with that.

More wicked buffoonery which for you, is saying something.

Rabid Zionist alert! You clearly have, or are pretending to have, the memory of a goldfish. Let me help.

When Hamas invaded Israel and killed and mutilated men, women and children they were condemned by all, including me. It was a terrible act of barbarism and a response from Israel was fully justified.

However, what Israel did, and is still doing, is a totally disproportionate act of destruction and genocide. They have destroyed the infrastructure of Gaza, they are killing men, women and children on a daily basis.

They are completing the job with famine and have made the work of Aid Agencies as difficult as possible.

You seemingly support all of this and describe critics of Israeli atrocities as “antisemitic”. What is wrong with you?

FrankOFile wrote: ↑Fri Jul 19, 2024 12:20 pm

BoniO wrote: ↑Fri Jul 19, 2024 9:55 am

FrankOFile wrote: ↑Fri Jul 19, 2024 5:57 am

Well, well. The chief apologist for Hamas atrocities strikes again.

Just a shame they don’t bother about whether they’re killing civilians, men, women and children as well as IDF. I guess from your supportive comments that you’re okay with that.

More wicked buffoonery which for you, is saying something.

Rabid Zionist alert! You clearly have, or are pretending to have, the memory of a goldfish. Let me help.

When Hamas invaded Israel and killed and mutilated men, women and children they were condemned by all, including me. It was a terrible act of barbarism and a response from Israel was fully justified.

However, what Israel did, and is still doing, is a totally disproportionate act of destruction and genocide. They have destroyed the infrastructure of Gaza, they are killing men, women and children on a daily basis.

They are completing the job with famine and have made the work of Aid Agencies as difficult as possible.

You seemingly support all of this and describe critics of Israeli atrocities as “antisemitic”. What is wrong with you?

Oh dear. Another post of yours full of anti-semitic tropes deliberately using the ‘anti-zionism’ phrase as an anti-Jewish shield. You are becoming more hard-line with your views. I await your posting of caricature portraits of these Israelis acting in such a disproportionate and ‘new world order’ sort of way. You probably have a whole collection of them as we speak.

FrankOFile wrote: ↑Fri Jul 19, 2024 12:20 pm

BoniO wrote: ↑Fri Jul 19, 2024 9:55 am

FrankOFile wrote: ↑Fri Jul 19, 2024 5:57 am

Well, well. The chief apologist for Hamas atrocities strikes again.

Just a shame they don’t bother about whether they’re killing civilians, men, women and children as well as IDF. I guess from your supportive comments that you’re okay with that.

More wicked buffoonery which for you, is saying something.

Rabid Zionist alert! You clearly have, or are pretending to have, the memory of a goldfish. Let me help.

When Hamas invaded Israel and killed and mutilated men, women and children they were condemned by all, including me. It was a terrible act of barbarism and a response from Israel was fully justified.

However, what Israel did, and is still doing, is a totally disproportionate act of destruction and genocide. They have destroyed the infrastructure of Gaza, they are killing men, women and children on a daily basis.

They are completing the job with famine and have made the work of Aid Agencies as difficult as possible.

You seemingly support all of this and describe critics of Israeli atrocities as “antisemitic”. What is wrong with you?

Oh dear. Another post of yours full of anti-semitic tropes deliberately using the ‘anti-zionism’ phrase as an anti-Jewish shield. You are becoming more hard-line with your views. I await your posting of caricature portraits of these Israelis acting in such a disproportionate and ‘new world order’ sort of way. You probably have a whole collection of them as we speak.