Going back to school in some limited fashion has to be the right decision. If it doesn't work then change it, but are you really suggesting everyone has to stay indoors until the virus is fully under control or a vaccine available - it could and probably will be months or, as per the first Guardian article you quote above, might be never.
"If it doesn't work, then change it".
BRILLIANT.
So enable social distancing to be more or less ignored by even more idiots (which you know it will be); and let's send Primary School kids and teachers out as guinea pigs. If they get ill or die, then let's 'change it'.
Meanwhile, in typical Tory style, let's have a dig at the Unions. Afterall, one of their main responsibilities isn't to keep their members safe at work, is it?
So why are you so anti-Union in this instance? Please enlighten me.
By the way, lockdown obviously can't go on forever. However, at the same time, with the current spread of infections at the rate of 8,000 per day; and the subsequent death rate in the UK, I honestly feel that it is far too early.
Wouldn't it make sense to at least wait until the Track and Trace App. is up and running first - or what's the bloody point of it?
How do you lot sleep at night?
Don't tell me - no conscience.
Because for Tories, the economy will always be far more important than human life, won't it.
Can't help but feel that this weekend is going to be a free for all.
Re: Coronavirus
Posted: Sat May 30, 2020 10:41 am
by faldO
NuneatonO's wrote: ↑Sat May 30, 2020 9:47 am"If it doesn't work, then change it".
BRILLIANT.
Find me a government from anywhere in the world that has not said they will review what they are doing and change it if necessary. The virus is going to need monitoring for years (unless someone figures out a way to eradicate it), and measures put in place to deal with it as required.
NuneatonO's wrote: ↑Sat May 30, 2020 9:47 am
Because for Tories, the economy will always be far more important than human life, won't it.
It's not a choice of one or the other, the two are intertwined. The idea that you keep putting forward - that Tories don't care about human life - is ridiculous.
Re: Coronavirus
Posted: Sat May 30, 2020 10:44 am
by Dunners
The lockdown has only been observed/enforced to varying degrees for a few weeks now anyway.
Cycling through some market areas a couple of weekends ago I noticed that the Algerian and Eastern European cafes were still busy. Plenty of people sat inside eating and drinking. Nearby parks had plenty of groups of hipsters enjoying boozy picnics. Authorities clearly turning a blind eye.
NuneatonO's wrote: ↑Sat May 30, 2020 9:47 am"If it doesn't work, then change it".
BRILLIANT.
Find me a government from anywhere in the world that has not said they will review what they are doing and change it if necessary. The virus is going to need monitoring for years (unless someone figures out a way to eradicate it), and measures put in place to deal with it as required.
NuneatonO's wrote: ↑Sat May 30, 2020 9:47 am
Because for Tories, the economy will always be far more important than human life, won't it.
It's not a choice of one or the other, the two are intertwined. The idea that you keep putting forward - that Tories don't care about human life - is ridiculous.
No it isn't.... The Tories care about money & profit first, and human life second....fact!
NuneatonO's wrote: ↑Sat May 30, 2020 9:47 am"If it doesn't work, then change it".
BRILLIANT.
Find me a government from anywhere in the world that has not said they will review what they are doing and change it if necessary. The virus is going to need monitoring for years (unless someone figures out a way to eradicate it), and measures put in place to deal with it as required.
NuneatonO's wrote: ↑Sat May 30, 2020 9:47 am
Because for Tories, the economy will always be far more important than human life, won't it.
It's not a choice of one or the other, the two are intertwined. The idea that you keep putting forward - that Tories don't care about human life - is ridiculous.
It really wouldn't be too difficult to find a Government anywhere in this World who has handled this Pandemic BETTER than the Tory Party.
Look no further than Australia and New Zealand. Like many others, they have reviewed and changed their rules accordingly BECAUSE they have controlled Coronavirus since the outset. We haven't.
We have the greatest number of deaths (per capita) on this planet. It isn't just 'bad luck'..........it is due to Tory Government mishandling. For example, putting untested patients from hospitals straight into care homes. Can't you honestly see that? Are you so blinkered?
This Tory Government has blood on its' hands.
I am truly of the belief that Tories DON'T overly care about human life; in comparison to keeping money ticking over.
Coronavirus aside, have you never read the horror stories relating to Universal Credit?
Have you never considered what austerity cuts have done to Social Care?
I could go on.
Anyway, any chance of you answering my point about Unions?
Re: Coronavirus
Posted: Sat May 30, 2020 9:12 pm
by NuneatonO's
faldO - any chance of a response; only you were very quick to reply this morning to some of my post - but for some reason, you appear to have swerved giving a reply on the following point?
So just to ask you again -
In rely to you saying (quote): "Good to see some schools ignoring the unions and getting back to opening".
My question: Let's have a dig at the Unions. Afterall, one of their main responsibilities isn't to keep their members safe at work, is it?
So why are you so anti-Union in this instance? Please enlighten me.
I know it has been beautiful weather again today - but I've seen that you have been on the forum since my question.
I agree with the last para but not the first. The problems this beautiful planet faces are by and large because there are too many people on it.
Too many greedy Tories is the populations problem for sure.
Killing us all with the disease they could have done so much more to prevent.
Blood on their hands.
Drunken meltdown approaching...
Truth obviously stings.
Re: Coronavirus
Posted: Sat May 30, 2020 10:46 pm
by Rich Tea Wellin
Reading lots of stuff today from scientists obviously worried and pissed off.
Now convinced that despite having time to prepare at the start of this and having the chance to learn from Italy and Spain, we’ve also had the chance to learn from other countries coming out of lockdown but have failed to do so. In 4 weeks time we’ll be spiking, the nhs will be under pressure again and they’ll be a huge risk of another lockdown. How predictable.
Re: Coronavirus
Posted: Sat May 30, 2020 10:57 pm
by Long slender neck
Isn't that what people predicted weeks ago? Spike hasn't happened. Deaths continue to decrease.
Re: Coronavirus
Posted: Sat May 30, 2020 11:00 pm
by Rich Tea Wellin
Time will tell but living with a very much at risk person, I’m not gonna risk it.
Find me a government from anywhere in the world that has not said they will review what they are doing and change it if necessary. The virus is going to need monitoring for years (unless someone figures out a way to eradicate it), and measures put in place to deal with it as required.
It's not a choice of one or the other, the two are intertwined. The idea that you keep putting forward - that Tories don't care about human life - is ridiculous.
It really wouldn't be too difficult to find a Government anywhere in this World who has handled this Pandemic BETTER than the Tory Party.
Look no further than Australia and New Zealand. Like many others, they have reviewed and changed their rules accordingly BECAUSE they have controlled Coronavirus since the outset. We haven't.
We have the greatest number of deaths (per capita) on this planet. It isn't just 'bad luck'..........it is due to Tory Government mishandling. For example, putting untested patients from hospitals straight into care homes. Can't you honestly see that? Are you so blinkered?
This Tory Government has blood on its' hands.
I am truly of the belief that Tories DON'T overly care about human life; in comparison to keeping money ticking over.
Coronavirus aside, have you never read the horror stories relating to Universal Credit?
Have you never considered what austerity cuts have done to Social Care?
I could go on.
Anyway, any chance of you answering my point about Unions?
On Australia I live here and yes they have achieved more success than most - they make decisions quicker they look at how other countries manage it review their own position and follow advice given by the medical and scientific groups both internationally and within Australia.
They did let the people of the ship in sydney and that caused some consequential contamination in the community and deaths - that's being investigated
However my family and friends live in England and I worry what I see
This is more than red versus blue in the uk
The U.K. made many many mistakes and it's down to the ineffiency of this government on strategy / decision making that been poor / communication of their message again poor and the intellect of Boris and team
U.K is a small country physically and has so many people living close to each other and with the transport of a great public system that people use in preference to cars for communicating
I was in Perth WA when it was kicking off. Listened every day to Scott Morrison and the endless debates that followed. I was generally impressed by Morrison, yet when I proffered that opinion to locals many looked at me like I had two heads. Plenty it seemed thought he was clueless. Such is politics.
One of WA early deaths was in Jundalup not far from where I was. And of course a cruise ship in Fremantle made local headlines.
One thing that struck me was just how adult debate was. A genuine acceptance that they didn’t know all the answers and an awareness of what other countries were doing, including listening to Boris. experts who had conflicting opinions on the best way to proceed were not ridiculed but treated with respect. Nobody had a clue, just differing opinions. And I grew to understand and like the Aussie sense of humour.
But Morrison rightly changed position by the day as knowledge grew. Gatherings of 100, then 50, the two I think. Crowds at sports continued, even Morrison himself attended large crowd game. Then it stopped, except for some games It didn’t, then that stopped. Debate raged over schools closure with 20% of parents finally taking their children out of still open schools. People not happy with the Morrison position so took matters into their own hands. My son felt his kids should go, his wife didn’t. Morrison went down the stay open route, other disagreed and ignored him. Some states closed schools for holidays early whilst others didn’t. My grandson didn’t know from one day to the next if his school planned to close. And of course great disagreement about closing state borders. Who would be allowed to cross etc. And flights east go west caused much debate given Sydney was a hot spot. Airports, Not much happening at Perth International to protect passengers and staff. Even air crews walking past hordes of people. And who can forget the shame of the Bondi beach saga that Morrison called a national disgrace.
Social distancing in Ocean Keys and Jundalup shopping centres, restaurants and other public places was completely haphazard. Some Food places did, some didn’t, some sort of did but not really, Trains were packed etc. Buses full of school kids, Our local shopping centre cafe spaced out tables to provide distance whilst McDonalds next door was packed solid. The local Chinese restaurant limited people whilst its take away area was packed solid.
Clear messages, well handled, Not where I was in WA. It was chaos. And who can forget the fights over toilet rolls, panic buying, no hand sanitizer, queues outside supermarkets as people feared a food shortage. Saw it all first hand. I’m sure the picture I’m drawing will be familiar
So to suggest Morrison offered any greater clarity of message or showed any greater Intellect than Johnson is nonsense. What impressed me was his honesty about just how difficult it was, they didn’t have all the answers and were learning by the day. The geography of Australia is the major reason why the pandemic was manageable and for that, with family there, I’m grateful for.
It really wouldn't be too difficult to find a Government anywhere in this World who has handled this Pandemic BETTER than the Tory Party.
Look no further than Australia and New Zealand. Like many others, they have reviewed and changed their rules accordingly BECAUSE they have controlled Coronavirus since the outset. We haven't.
We have the greatest number of deaths (per capita) on this planet. It isn't just 'bad luck'..........it is due to Tory Government mishandling. For example, putting untested patients from hospitals straight into care homes. Can't you honestly see that? Are you so blinkered?
This Tory Government has blood on its' hands.
I am truly of the belief that Tories DON'T overly care about human life; in comparison to keeping money ticking over.
Coronavirus aside, have you never read the horror stories relating to Universal Credit?
Have you never considered what austerity cuts have done to Social Care?
I could go on.
Anyway, any chance of you answering my point about Unions?
On Australia I live here and yes they have achieved more success than most - they make decisions quicker they look at how other countries manage it review their own position and follow advice given by the medical and scientific groups both internationally and within Australia.
They did let the people of the ship in sydney and that caused some consequential contamination in the community and deaths - that's being investigated
However my family and friends live in England and I worry what I see
This is more than red versus blue in the uk
The U.K. made many many mistakes and it's down to the ineffiency of this government on strategy / decision making that been poor / communication of their message again poor and the intellect of Boris and team
U.K is a small country physically and has so many people living close to each other and with the transport of a great public system that people use in preference to cars for communicating
I was in Perth WA when it was kicking off. Listened every day to Scott Morrison and the endless debates that followed. I was generally impressed by Morrison, yet when I proffered that opinion to locals many looked at me like I had two heads. Plenty it seemed thought he was clueless. Such is politics.
One of WA early deaths was in Jundalup not far from where I was. And of course a cruise ship in Fremantle made local headlines.
One thing that struck me was just how adult debate was. A genuine acceptance that they didn’t know all the answers and an awareness of what other countries were doing, including listening to Boris. experts who had conflicting opinions on the best way to proceed were not ridiculed but treated with respect. Nobody had a clue, just differing opinions. And I grew to understand and like the Aussie sense of humour.
But Morrison rightly changed position by the day as knowledge grew. Gatherings of 100, then 50, the two I think. Crowds at sports continued, even Morrison himself attended large crowd game. Then it stopped, except for some games It didn’t, then that stopped. Debate raged over schools closure with 20% of parents finally taking their children out of still open schools. People not happy with the Morrison position so took matters into their own hands. My son felt his kids should go, his wife didn’t. Morrison went down the stay open route, other disagreed and ignored him. Some states closed schools for holidays early whilst others didn’t. My grandson didn’t know from one day to the next if his school planned to close. And of course great disagreement about closing state borders. Who would be allowed to cross etc. And flights east go west caused much debate given Sydney was a hot spot. Airports, Not much happening at Perth International to protect passengers and staff. Even air crews walking past hordes of people. And who can forget the shame of the Bondi beach saga that Morrison called a national disgrace.
Social distancing in Ocean Keys and Jundalup shopping centres, restaurants and other public places was completely haphazard. Some Food places did, some didn’t, some sort of did but not really, Trains were packed etc. Buses full of school kids, Our local shopping centre cafe spaced out tables to provide distance whilst McDonalds next door was packed solid. The local Chinese restaurant limited people whilst its take away area was packed solid.
Clear messages, well handled, Not where I was in WA. It was chaos. And who can forget the fights over toilet rolls, panic buying, no hand sanitizer, queues outside supermarkets as people feared a food shortage. Saw it all first hand. I’m sure the picture I’m drawing will be familiar
So to suggest Morrison offered any greater clarity of message or showed any greater Intellect than Johnson is nonsense. What impressed me was his honesty about just how difficult it was, they didn’t have all the answers and were learning by the day. The geography of Australia is the major reason why the pandemic was manageable and for that, with family there, I’m grateful for.
Simple as that!
Re: Coronavirus
Posted: Sun May 31, 2020 7:36 am
by Ronnie Hotdogs
Succinct and to the point.
Re: Coronavirus
Posted: Sun May 31, 2020 8:31 am
by Dohnut
Comprehensive and with evidence. And why I am perhaps more tolerant than most.
The point. The U.K. is not alone struggling with this issue and how even in a Country with massive geographic advantages they too had issues. There is plenty more I could add, but didn’t!
Oh and responding to someone who lives there where this stuff is relevant. And to do with a country I have personal experience of.
Re: Coronavirus
Posted: Sun May 31, 2020 8:48 am
by Ronnie Hotdogs
We’re not alone - we’ve got the US for company in how not to deal with this.
Re: Coronavirus
Posted: Sun May 31, 2020 8:50 am
by Long slender neck
Jayden Stockley tests positive
Re: Coronavirus
Posted: Sun May 31, 2020 8:51 am
by Long slender neck
Shielders allowed outside from tomorrow, this is a bit of a surprise.
Re: Coronavirus
Posted: Sun May 31, 2020 9:03 am
by Rich Tea Wellin
Why have almost all of the racists on here lived or currently life in Oz?
On Australia I live here and yes they have achieved more success than most - they make decisions quicker they look at how other countries manage it review their own position and follow advice given by the medical and scientific groups both internationally and within Australia.
They did let the people of the ship in sydney and that caused some consequential contamination in the community and deaths - that's being investigated
However my family and friends live in England and I worry what I see
This is more than red versus blue in the uk
The U.K. made many many mistakes and it's down to the ineffiency of this government on strategy / decision making that been poor / communication of their message again poor and the intellect of Boris and team
U.K is a small country physically and has so many people living close to each other and with the transport of a great public system that people use in preference to cars for communicating
I was in Perth WA when it was kicking off. Listened every day to Scott Morrison and the endless debates that followed. I was generally impressed by Morrison, yet when I proffered that opinion to locals many looked at me like I had two heads. Plenty it seemed thought he was clueless. Such is politics.
One of WA early deaths was in Jundalup not far from where I was. And of course a cruise ship in Fremantle made local headlines.
One thing that struck me was just how adult debate was. A genuine acceptance that they didn’t know all the answers and an awareness of what other countries were doing, including listening to Boris. experts who had conflicting opinions on the best way to proceed were not ridiculed but treated with respect. Nobody had a clue, just differing opinions. And I grew to understand and like the Aussie sense of humour.
But Morrison rightly changed position by the day as knowledge grew. Gatherings of 100, then 50, the two I think. Crowds at sports continued, even Morrison himself attended large crowd game. Then it stopped, except for some games It didn’t, then that stopped. Debate raged over schools closure with 20% of parents finally taking their children out of still open schools. People not happy with the Morrison position so took matters into their own hands. My son felt his kids should go, his wife didn’t. Morrison went down the stay open route, other disagreed and ignored him. Some states closed schools for holidays early whilst others didn’t. My grandson didn’t know from one day to the next if his school planned to close. And of course great disagreement about closing state borders. Who would be allowed to cross etc. And flights east go west caused much debate given Sydney was a hot spot. Airports, Not much happening at Perth International to protect passengers and staff. Even air crews walking past hordes of people. And who can forget the shame of the Bondi beach saga that Morrison called a national disgrace.
Social distancing in Ocean Keys and Jundalup shopping centres, restaurants and other public places was completely haphazard. Some Food places did, some didn’t, some sort of did but not really, Trains were packed etc. Buses full of school kids, Our local shopping centre cafe spaced out tables to provide distance whilst McDonalds next door was packed solid. The local Chinese restaurant limited people whilst its take away area was packed solid.
Clear messages, well handled, Not where I was in WA. It was chaos. And who can forget the fights over toilet rolls, panic buying, no hand sanitizer, queues outside supermarkets as people feared a food shortage. Saw it all first hand. I’m sure the picture I’m drawing will be familiar
So to suggest Morrison offered any greater clarity of message or showed any greater Intellect than Johnson is nonsense. What impressed me was his honesty about just how difficult it was, they didn’t have all the answers and were learning by the day. The geography of Australia is the major reason why the pandemic was manageable and for that, with family there, I’m grateful for.
Simple as that!
Dohnut knows best!
Re: Coronavirus
Posted: Sun May 31, 2020 10:20 am
by Ronnie Hotdogs
Apple Wumble wrote: ↑Sun May 31, 2020 9:03 am
Why have almost all of the racists on here lived or currently life in Oz?
Dohnut hasn’t said he lives in oz, he just has family there.
Re: Coronavirus
Posted: Sun May 31, 2020 10:45 am
by NuneatonO's
Oi - we plan to retire to Australia!
I think it's a bit of misnomer to believe that Aussies are racists. They certainly aren't the most politically-correct people that I've met; but the vast majority are very relaxed and laid back about most things - including skin colour. White People are of course on 'invaded land'; and there have been some disgusting mistakes made over the decades, that have affected the Aboriginal Race of people.
Sydney and the suburbs for example, have a great deal of Asian residents; some areas we've stayed at (Granville for example) have a very large Lebanese Community. One of my Son's has actually married in to a Serbian family - many Serbs having moved to Australia after the atrocities in their homeland.
Fremantle in W.A., where we want to move to, is extremely Bohemian (very much like Brighton - I don't think it would tick many of redcard's boxes!). It's certainly not rare to walk along 'Cappuccino Street' on a Friday and Saturday Night, where you will encounter many people in the 60's/70's puffing away - and not neccessarily on Winnie Blues. I think the worst trait of Aussies is actually that they can be very bad losers at sport. That and the fact they gamble too much - particularly in NSW. However, who are we to ever tell others how to spend their money.
Getting this back on track. I often listen to a radio station - Noongar Radio. It's broadcast from Perth and Broome (far North in WA): and is aimed primarily at the indigenous population. Adoring most types of music, they play some Retro Aussie Country & Western - not to everyone's taste granted!
There have clearly lots of Covid-19 public info bulletins advising people about isolation, over the past weeks. On Wednesday, I was amazed to hear that 'across the Kimberley'; a vast region across the Northern area of W.A. there had not been ONE single instance of Coronavirus infection! As well as isolation, Australia also closed cross-Territory travel to all but essential services; such as food deliveries. However, not having recorded a single infection of Covid-19, is pretty staggering. It is either coincidence; or obviously the power of isolation and (virtual) cessation of travel.
Re: Coronavirus
Posted: Sun May 31, 2020 12:03 pm
by HeyO
UpminsterO wrote: ↑Sun May 31, 2020 11:54 am
I did not say the Aussie pm has greater intellect than Boris - I am sure though most of on here have a greater intellect than him - that would not be too hard to achieve based on his logic he is demonstrating
I did not say the pm here was giving a clearer message than Boris
But as a country generally it's clearer and been managed generally better than Boris that's all
However I want the uk as safe as it could be and Boris and grove etc ain't helping that
Anyone know where Boris put down those Coronavirus testing reports? We all know what it's like, we put something away so it's safe and then you just can't remember where you put them.
Never mind. It's not as if it's important to have a proven and thoroughly fit for purpose Testing regime as we begin to come out of lockdown is it? One that dovetails with the new app (when/if it ever works).
I feel very comfortable with how this is all going. It'll all be fine.........
