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Does anyone think the 40% will care about this?

RedO wrote: ↑Wed Sep 09, 2020 8:31 am Does anyone think the 40% will care about this?

No. It will be seen as an arcane technicality. I guess this is why Starmer is taking the approach he has. He knows that there is no political capital to be made of this issue, so isn't making a big song and dance about it.

Instead he is focusing on the actual (and perception of) government competence: "He [Boris] promised the British people he'd get a good deal, he needs to deliver on that promise."

It's got the Tories worried. They know full well that a large proportion of the public actually believe in the rhetoric that Boris "got Brexit done." If Boris has to ever turn around and admit that it's not that simple and that he may not actually be able to deliver on what they have all been led to believe they're going to get, then the 40% will care about that.

That's why we're hearing a few rumours being floated about the possibility of Boris being replaced next year. Gauging public reaction to rumours is now a well established process for this government before it implements policy.

RedO wrote: ↑Wed Sep 09, 2020 8:31 am Does anyone think the 40% will care about this?

Probably not a lot, but amongst people I've spoken to over the last few months I have come across quite a few who said they wouldn't vote Tory again. What percentage of usually loyal Tory voters this is I don't know but it's a sign that disenchantment with Boris & chums is a reality.

Hmmm. Noticing a few more Tory-sympathising political commentators turning against Boris and his government this evening.

They'll just get a new leader and re-brand themselves

It's what they do and it usually works

BoniO wrote: ↑Wed Sep 09, 2020 10:27 am

RedO wrote: ↑Wed Sep 09, 2020 8:31 am Does anyone think the 40% will care about this?

Probably not a lot, but amongst people I've spoken to over the last few months I have come across quite a few who said they wouldn't vote Tory again. What percentage of usually loyal Tory voters this is I don't know ...

What percentage? Probably less than 0.00000001 %.

Digby Chicken Caesar wrote: ↑Wed Sep 09, 2020 10:38 pm They'll just get a new leader and re-brand themselves

It's what they do and it usually works

Its easy to fool the Gullable !

I see a couple more Tory ex-leaders are weighing in with criticism of the useless Johnson. Michael Howard had a right go about the latest Brexit shambles today, and Theresa May is making it known she’ll not be voting for the Govt if they try to introduce the contentious new withdrawal bill.

Still, I suppose it deflects some attention from the shambles they are making of handling Covid.

It's all a massive bluff to the EU/Nose tap wink wink to the core vote/Bait for remainers and the Shadow cabinet

Classic Dom

Digby Chicken Caesar wrote: ↑Thu Sep 10, 2020 10:27 pm It's all a massive bluff to the EU/Nose tap wink wink to the core vote/Bait for remainers and the Shadow cabinet

If it was meant to be a bluff to annoy the EU and the shadow cabinet it was an extremely stupid and self harming act.
Even if somehow this does not become law, the UK will be regarded internationally as untrustworthy and potentially a rogue state.

E10EU wrote: ↑Fri Sep 11, 2020 12:30 am

Digby Chicken Caesar wrote: ↑Thu Sep 10, 2020 10:27 pm It's all a massive bluff to the EU/Nose tap wink wink to the core vote/Bait for remainers and the Shadow cabinet

If it was meant to be a bluff to annoy the EU and the shadow cabinet it was an extremely stupid and self harming act.
Even if somehow this does not become law, the UK will be regarded internationally as untrustworthy and potentially a rogue state.

Yeah, I mean I don't really think it was targeted at people who deliberately put EU in their username on football boards.

But thanks for your input on how the UK might become a rogue state m8

It doesn't actually matter whom the 'bluff' was meant to annoy.
Fact is that there is a far reaching consequence. It extends beyond the noses of Brexiteers.

Digby Chicken Caesar wrote: ↑Fri Sep 11, 2020 1:04 am

E10EU wrote: ↑Fri Sep 11, 2020 12:30 am

Digby Chicken Caesar wrote: ↑Thu Sep 10, 2020 10:27 pm It's all a massive bluff to the EU/Nose tap wink wink to the core vote/Bait for remainers and the Shadow cabinet

If it was meant to be a bluff to annoy the EU and the shadow cabinet it was an extremely stupid and self harming act.
Even if somehow this does not become law, the UK will be regarded internationally as untrustworthy and potentially a rogue state.

Yeah, I mean I don't really think it was targeted at people who deliberately put EU in their username on football boards.

But thanks for your input on how the UK might become a rogue state m8

It hasnt been taken well in the U.S

More Tory incompetance !

tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Fri Sep 11, 2020 4:25 am


More Tory incompetance !

Can there be any more?

Dumb question tbh

Boris has called a meeting with the Parliamentary Party this afternoon at 5.30pm. He's not given any information as to the purpose of the meeting.

All very intriguing. Anyone want to speculate? Stepping down to spend time with his families, perhaps?

Dunners wrote: ↑Fri Sep 11, 2020 12:59 pm Boris has called a meeting with the Parliamentary Party this afternoon at 5.30pm. He's not given any information as to the purpose of the meeting.

All very intriguing. Anyone want to speculate? Stepping down to spend time with his families, perhaps?

Can't imagine it's that. No way this skip-fire of a government could keep something that big under-wraps.

Could be to meet this Steve Baker led uprising head-on?

Officially appointing Dominic as "the Leader"?

Admin wrote: ↑Fri Sep 11, 2020 1:10 pm

Dunners wrote: ↑Fri Sep 11, 2020 12:59 pm Boris has called a meeting with the Parliamentary Party this afternoon at 5.30pm. He's not given any information as to the purpose of the meeting.

All very intriguing. Anyone want to speculate? Stepping down to spend time with his families, perhaps?

Can't imagine it's that. No way this skip-fire of a government could keep something that big under-wraps.

Could be to meet this Steve Baker led uprising head-on?

Not suggesting it is this, but I could see him bailing at a moments notice so there wouldn’t be the need to keep it a secret for long.

RedO wrote: ↑Fri Sep 11, 2020 1:28 pm

Admin wrote: ↑Fri Sep 11, 2020 1:10 pm

Dunners wrote: ↑Fri Sep 11, 2020 12:59 pm Boris has called a meeting with the Parliamentary Party this afternoon at 5.30pm. He's not given any information as to the purpose of the meeting.

All very intriguing. Anyone want to speculate? Stepping down to spend time with his families, perhaps?

Can't imagine it's that. No way this skip-fire of a government could keep something that big under-wraps.

Could be to meet this Steve Baker led uprising head-on?

Not suggesting it is this, but I could see him bailing at a moments notice so there wouldn’t be the need to keep it a secret for long.

Hardly matters. One Tory MP is pretty much the same as c*ntish as the next one. Arguably, there's potentially more hideous candidates waiting to topple Boris.

I think there is a real fear that the 'Boris got Brexit done!' thing will turn into something different, so in a legacy sense it wouldn't shock me to see him duck out soon. He always wanted to be PM, just not do the job of PM. If he exits now he'll always be the guy that got Brexit done, if he doesn't, as with this week, it may change things.

No brilliant choices though. I'd say Gove is probably the genuinely most efficient afterwards, or Hunt if they want to be seen as sensible for a bit. Probably too soon for Tugendhat, but I'd imagine he and Ellwood would get some big promotions to get them closer for down the line.

Sunak is heavy favourite to take over odds wise

Would be great to see the Conservatives achieving another milestone. The first PM of Asian heritage and only the second ethnic minority PM (the first was Conservative too). Not to mention the first two female PMs

Digby Chicken Caesar wrote: ↑Fri Sep 11, 2020 1:51 pm Sunak is heavy favourite to take over odds wise

Would be great to see the Conservatives achieving another milestone. The first PM of Asian heritage and only the second ethnic minority PM (the first was Conservative too). Not to mention the first two female PMs

Yeah, they have a lot to be proud of at the moment.