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tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Fri Sep 04, 2020 3:25 am

Confucius wrote: ↑Fri Sep 04, 2020 6:42 am

tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Fri Sep 04, 2020 3:25 am

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What’s been making the headlines up here in Norfolk is Norwich North Conservative MP and Cabinet Office minister Chloe Smith’s husband, who has been ranting that Covid-19 is a mental illness, and on Boris’s time in hospital had said “he had a psychogenic fever because he is fat, stupid and easily led.”.

Chloe Smith has distanced herself from her husband’s comments, and the general take on it that she can’t be responsible for his opinions, which is of course correct. Darned embarrassing though.

https://www.edp24.co.uk/news/health/chl ... -1-6821614

Well to suggest otherwise would be pretty sexist. Still plenty of time for someone too though

Sandy McFadzean sounds like good value. My sort of chap.

If it was her brother, that would be a massive problem.

As its only her husband, that’s not an issue.

To be fair, RedO, your missus has always had the same problem.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-54044624

When the Tory Government introduces daily testing to bring
a full house back to Parliament , then & only then should they
demand for Office workers to return en masse .

Think of the money being lost in the M.Ps bar & restraunt !!

Shameful

Johnson is now taking this country on a kamikaze mission!

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... son-to-say

Go on, Europe, stop wasting time on this fool.

It was always going to be no deal.

Agree Thor.

Whatever happened to the 'oven-ready' deal then? God forbid it was all just made up!

'It was always going to be no deal gives them far more credit than they are due. There hasn't been any grand plan, just a stumbling from one lie catching up with them to another, saying whatever is needed in the short term to push the reckoning down the line.

Feels like high stakes brinksmanship to me. Classic tactic of offering up something dreadful (in this case, the prospect of Parliament legislating to override the Withdrawal Agreement) as a bargaining tool against getting a compromise from the other side (state aid rules and fishing rights).

It's such an obvious bluff isn't it. The government is bargaining from an absolute position of weakness, Johnson's support is collapsing both within parliament and in the wider population, the economy is in tatters and they are f*cking up every major decision they have to make. The idea we'd chuck a no deal exit into the mix and completely hack off our biggest trading partners is for the birds.

Still, it gets the country focussed again on the one thing that Johnson got his popularity for.

Mistadobalina wrote: ↑Mon Sep 07, 2020 10:24 am It's such an obvious bluff isn't it. The government is bargaining from an absolute position of weakness, Johnson's support is collapsing both within parliament and in the wider population, the economy is in tatters and they are f*cking up every major decision they have to make. The idea we'd chuck a no deal exit into the mix and completely hack off our biggest trading partners is for the birds.

Still, it gets the country focussed again on the one thing that Johnson got his popularity for.

You say his support is collapsing amongst the wider population but he’s still got that 40% that will always have his back.

Mistadobalina wrote: ↑Mon Sep 07, 2020 10:24 am It's such an obvious bluff isn't it. The government is bargaining from an absolute position of weakness, Johnson's support is collapsing both within parliament and in the wider population, the economy is in tatters and they are f*cking up every major decision they have to make. The idea we'd chuck a no deal exit into the mix and completely hack off our biggest trading partners is for the birds.

Still, it gets the country focussed again on the one thing that Johnson got his popularity for.

However, whilst the economy is wrecked adding a no deal in won’t be so bad will it? Get all the bad news over in one fell swoop. That’s not my opinion that’s what I see them heading towards.

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Thor wrote: ↑Mon Sep 07, 2020 8:58 pm

Mistadobalina wrote: ↑Mon Sep 07, 2020 10:24 am It's such an obvious bluff isn't it. The government is bargaining from an absolute position of weakness, Johnson's support is collapsing both within parliament and in the wider population, the economy is in tatters and they are f*cking up every major decision they have to make. The idea we'd chuck a no deal exit into the mix and completely hack off our biggest trading partners is for the birds.

Still, it gets the country focussed again on the one thing that Johnson got his popularity for.

However, whilst the economy is wrecked adding a no deal in won’t be so bad will it? Get all the bad news over in one fell swoop. That’s not my opinion that’s what I see them heading towards.

I guess in the same way that if your house is already on fire chucking some gasoline would only make it burn down faster.

It even goes against the Tory logic of 'global Britain'. The democrats have been very clear they would never sign off on a USA fta with the UK if it reneged on the Good Friday agreement, which our current exit deal does not. It'd accelerate Scottish and NI exit from the UK as we'd effectively be saying that the English component of the country was willing to f*ck over our biggest trading partners in pursuit of its own English centric agenda. We'd be (once again) shafting the Irish, our closest neighbour and currently the only country we share a border with.

The reality remains that we do the majority of our business with EU countries and to leave that on the worst terms possible and with a clear signal we couldn't be trusted for toffee wouldn't be so much a pivot away from Europe as cutting ourselves off entirely and with a pretty lukewarm welcome from the rest of the world.

Which is why it has to be a bluff.

“Which is why it has to be a bluff” - makes sense but then again we’re talking about Boris & chums here.....

Thor wrote: ↑Mon Sep 07, 2020 8:58 pm

Mistadobalina wrote: ↑Mon Sep 07, 2020 10:24 am It's such an obvious bluff isn't it. The government is bargaining from an absolute position of weakness, Johnson's support is collapsing both within parliament and in the wider population, the economy is in tatters and they are f*cking up every major decision they have to make. The idea we'd chuck a no deal exit into the mix and completely hack off our biggest trading partners is for the birds.

Still, it gets the country focussed again on the one thing that Johnson got his popularity for.

However, whilst the economy is wrecked adding a no deal in won’t be so bad will it? Get all the bad news over in one fell swoop. That’s not my opinion that’s what I see them heading towards.

Yeah, blame everything wrong in the country on Covid.

Spoken like a true Tory.

BoniO wrote: ↑Tue Sep 08, 2020 9:09 am “Which is why it has to be a bluff” - makes sense but then again we’re talking about Boris & chums here.....

Bluff or not, the government's top lawyer has just resigned - apparently over the prospect of a government bill counteracting parts of the Withdrawal Agreement (an international treaty).

The NI sec has said it would break international law. How are these mugs still polling at over 40%? How does 40% of the country think Johnson is doing a good job? What more do they need to do to demonstrate they are completely unfit to govern?

Worst part of all is that we're only nine months in...

A Pedant wrote: ↑Tue Sep 08, 2020 11:44 am

BoniO wrote: ↑Tue Sep 08, 2020 9:09 am “Which is why it has to be a bluff” - makes sense but then again we’re talking about Boris & chums here.....

Bluff or not, the government's top lawyer has just resigned - apparently over the prospect of a government bill counteracting parts of the Withdrawal Agreement (an international treaty).

Yes but we're only breaking the law, and our word, in a "specific and limited way". So that's OK then........

Even Teresa May has pointed out that it will be difficult to get other Countries to ever trust us again if we go down this road.

This is not a good look for the so-called party of law and order. It also further erodes any remaining moral authority the government may have been clinging to.