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Posted: **Fri Aug 21, 2020 12:49 pm**

NuneatonO's wrote: ↑Thu Aug 20, 2020 5:22 pm Nothing more to say other than how incredibly poignant.

Reminiscent of CEB’s post before his final breakdown.

Posted: **Fri Aug 21, 2020 6:36 pm**

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.co ... s-53859299

2 trillion in debt is the official figure of Government spends

I wonder how that stacks up against thory's good news post

Posted: **Fri Aug 21, 2020 7:11 pm**

Get off my land! Furious farmer reveals Boris Johnson 'climbed over his fence to set up 8ft tent WITHOUT permission and lit a dangerous campfire before fleeing Highlands holiday cottage'... leaving his MINDERS to clean up!

Prime Minister Boris Johnson's Great Escape descended into farce this afternoon after it emerged he had camped in a local sheep farmer's field without permission.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... nsula.html

YOU SERIOUSLY COULDN'T MAKE THIS UP!

Posted: **Fri Aug 21, 2020 9:17 pm**

tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Fri Aug 21, 2020 6:36 pm https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.co ... s-53859299

2 trillion in debt is the official figure of Government spends

I wonder how that stacks up against thory's good news post

You have to look at the overall picture and at present it is fine, I say fine as money is cheap right now. I think ten year bonds are at .22% and 30 years at something like .80%

The government has to keep the taps flowing otherwise we are in the proverbial do do. It can’t take us back to austerity as it will finish too many people in this country so it has to spend on infrastructure etc. And drive the economy forwards. If inflation were to increase that would be another way to help with the debt as it would reduce the value in real terms however, inflation doesn’t look like coming back anytime soon. So whilst money is cheap the government has to keep borrowing and spending.

Historically we have been in a worse debt to gdp position than we are now and recovered to I would think very healthy position of you look back through history.

Posted: **Fri Aug 21, 2020 9:40 pm**

Thor wrote: ↑Fri Aug 21, 2020 9:17 pm
tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Fri Aug 21, 2020 6:36 pm https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.co ... s-53859299

2 trillion in debt is the official figure of Government spends

I wonder how that stacks up against thory's good news post
You have to look at the overall picture and at present it is fine, I say fine as money is cheap right now. I think ten year bonds are at .22% and 30 years at something like .80%

The government has to keep the taps flowing otherwise we are in the proverbial do do. It can’t take us back to austerity as it will finish too many people in this country so it has to spend on infrastructure etc. And drive the economy forwards. If inflation were to increase that would be another way to help with the debt as it would reduce the value in real terms however, inflation doesn’t look like coming back anytime soon. So whilst money is cheap the government has to keep borrowing and spending.

Historically we have been in a worse debt to gdp position than we are now and recovered to I would think very healthy position of you look back through history.

It’s like the last 10 years haven’t happened.

Posted: **Fri Aug 21, 2020 11:31 pm**

Thor wrote: ↑Fri Aug 21, 2020 9:17 pm
tuffers#1 wrote: ↑Fri Aug 21, 2020 6:36 pm https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.co ... s-53859299

2 trillion in debt is the official figure of Government spends

I wonder how that stacks up against thory's good news post
You have to look at the overall picture and at present it is fine, I say fine as money is cheap right now. I think ten year bonds are at .22% and 30 years at something like .80%

The government has to keep the taps flowing otherwise we are in the proverbial do do. It can’t take us back to austerity as it will finish too many people in this country so it has to spend on infrastructure etc. And drive the economy forwards. If inflation were to increase that would be another way to help with the debt as it would reduce the value in real terms however, inflation doesn’t look like coming back anytime soon. So whilst money is cheap the government has to keep borrowing and spending.

Historically we have been in a worse debt to gdp position than we are now and recovered to I would think very healthy position of you look back through history.

Borrowing more than entire uk Income

Not a wise move .

Posted: **Sat Aug 22, 2020 12:43 am**

It’s ok because they’re spending on infrastructure and driving the economy forwards, apparently.

Posted: **Sat Aug 22, 2020 3:14 am**

RedO wrote: ↑Sat Aug 22, 2020 12:43 am It’s ok because they’re spending on infrastructure and driving the economy forwards, apparently.

Didnt someone post that nonsense on here the other day ?

Posted: **Sat Aug 22, 2020 3:40 am**

How long do we reckon before this debt is paid back ?

Before Hell freezes over ?

Posted: **Sat Aug 22, 2020 6:39 am**

£2 trillion (an unimaginably large number) will never be paid back. We'll probably attempt asset inflation as our way out, just like we did with Quantitative Easing. But for most people that will be devastating.

Posted: **Sat Aug 22, 2020 11:16 am**

Listen to Grant Shapps

in this car crash interview (quite fitting as he is the Secretary of State for Transport):

Can anyone honestly even convince themselves that this utter MORON should be a Minister, on the Front Bench of our UK Parliament?

Posted: **Sat Aug 22, 2020 12:42 pm**

NuneatonO's wrote: ↑Sat Aug 22, 2020 11:16 am Listen to Grant Shapps in this car crash interview (quite fitting as he is the Secretary of State for Transport):

Can anyone honestly even convince themselves that this utter MORON should be a Minister, on the Front Bench of our UK Parliament?

He’s no Gavin Williamson that’s for sure.

Posted: **Sat Aug 22, 2020 5:44 pm**

Disoriented wrote: ↑Sat Aug 22, 2020 12:42 pm
NuneatonO's wrote: ↑Sat Aug 22, 2020 11:16 am Listen to Grant Shapps in this car crash interview (quite fitting as he is the Secretary of State for Transport):

Can anyone honestly even convince themselves that this utter MORON should be a Minister, on the Front Bench of our UK Parliament?
He’s no Gavin Williamson that’s for sure.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.thegua ... s-chilling

The education secretary needs to stay in post until September so that, when all the promises are broken and English schools don’t, in fact, fully reopen, there can be someone other than the prime minister who can take the blame.

Gav's only there to save Boris !!

Posted: **Sat Aug 22, 2020 6:02 pm**

the only reason why schools won't open is due to the unions. The only reason.

Look at the stats someone posted on here, might have been PW, no children die of it and no children spread it.

My youngest son went back to school (Y6) after a lot of talking between my wife, son and I. No one in his school got it, no pupils, no teachers, no one. I would not send my son in to a situation that would be damaging to him or his health.

It is safe for the children to go back to school of that I'm convinced.

Ask yourself this.

How many people do you actually know has had it? I mean really had it and not just a cold? I bet not many. I know of 2. My next door neighbour had it and she is 22 her sister, her mum and dad all live together and none of them caught it. My mate who is a copper caught it, but as he said his whole team got it as well. So out of all the people I know 2 people got it.

Let me be clear it is real, very real. But its not as dangerous as the media portray unless your immune system is compromised and people under 50 just ain't suffering, thats a fact.

Posted: **Sat Aug 22, 2020 6:49 pm**

Thor wrote: ↑Sat Aug 22, 2020 6:02 pm the only reason why schools won't open is due to the unions. The only reason.

Look at the stats someone posted on here, might have been PW, no children die of it and no children spread it.

My youngest son went back to school (Y6) after a lot of talking between my wife, son and I. No one in his school got it, no pupils, no teachers, no one. I would not send my son in to a situation that would be damaging to him or his health.

It is safe for the children to go back to school of that I'm convinced.

Ask yourself this.

How many people do you actually know has had it? I mean really had it and not just a cold? I bet not many. I know of 2. My next door neighbour had it and she is 22 her sister, her mum and dad all live together and none of them caught it. My mate who is a copper caught it, but as he said his whole team got it as well. So out of all the people I know 2 people got it.

Let me be clear it is real, very real. But its not as dangerous as the media portray unless your immune system is compromised and people under 50 just ain't suffering, thats a fact.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nytime ... s.amp.html

A large new study from South Korea offers an answer: Children younger than 10 transmit to others much less often than adults do, but the risk is not zero. And those between the ages of 10 and 19 can spread the virus at least as well as adults do.

Must try harder Thory !!

Posted: **Sat Aug 22, 2020 6:54 pm**

Thor wrote: ↑Sat Aug 22, 2020 6:02 pm

Ask yourself this.

How many people do you actually know has had it? I mean really had it and not just a cold? I bet not many. I know of 2. My next door neighbour had it and she is 22 her sister, her mum and dad all live together and none of them caught it. My mate who is a copper caught it, but as he said his whole team got it as well. So out of all the people I know 2 people got it.

Let me be clear it is real, very real. But its not as dangerous as the media portray unless your immune system is compromised and people under 50 just ain't suffering, thats a fact.

I know 6 people who have had it 1 died 3 hospitalised
The guy who died was 55 with no underlying health problems
The 3 that were hospitalised no real underlying helath problems
The other 2 had it terrible & could hardly do anything for months

1 a female teacher has had it since mid-late march
Is fit as a fiddle , runs half marathons etc

Now is just happy to make a walk in the sunshine where she lives.

Posted: **Sat Aug 22, 2020 6:58 pm**

Thor wrote: ↑Sat Aug 22, 2020 6:02 pm the only reason why schools won't open is due to the unions. The only reason.

Look at the stats someone posted on here, might have been PW, no children die of it and no children spread it.

My youngest son went back to school (Y6) after a lot of talking between my wife, son and I. No one in his school got it, no pupils, no teachers, no one. I would not send my son in to a situation that would be damaging to him or his health.

It is safe for the children to go back to school of that I'm convinced.

Ask yourself this.

How many people do you actually know has had it? I mean really had it and not just a cold? I bet not many. I know of 2. My next door neighbour had it and she is 22 her sister, her mum and dad all live together and none of them caught it. My mate who is a copper caught it, but as he said his whole team got it as well. So out of all the people I know 2 people got it.

Let me be clear it is real, very real. But its not as dangerous as the media portray unless your immune system is compromised and people under 50 just ain't suffering, thats a fact.

Three in my extended family (separate homes). Two in their thirties, one just turned 50. First two were in intensive care, one has underlying issues (so she doesn't count at all as a human being lets ignore her life completely). The youngest and the most fit was there for weeks. Neighbour died from it at 58.

It's not just about deaths, it is about what it can do to a person longer term. What happens if within 5 years every person that has had it drops down dead because their lungs are so weakened? We don't know where we are with it so constantly thinking 'well most fit people under 40 do not die from it' isn't a particularly great measurement of safety.

Posted: **Sun Aug 23, 2020 2:09 pm**

UK to drop 'Facebook tax' in favour of post-Brexit trade deal
Recently introduced tax would have raised £500m, helping to reduce Britain’s huge Covid bill

https://www.theguardian.com/business/20 ... trade-deal

The UK government is preparing to drop a recently introduced tax on global technology companies such as Facebook, Google and Amazon, due to fears that the so-called “Facebook tax” could jeopardise a post-Brexit trade deal.

Yet another U-Turn Mr. Sunak?

The Tory Party .............the tax-dodgers' best friend!

Posted: **Sun Aug 23, 2020 2:26 pm**

NuneatonO's wrote: ↑Sun Aug 23, 2020 2:09 pm UK to drop 'Facebook tax' in favour of post-Brexit trade deal
Recently introduced tax would have raised £500m, helping to reduce Britain’s huge Covid bill

https://www.theguardian.com/business/20 ... trade-deal

The UK government is preparing to drop a recently introduced tax on global technology companies such as Facebook, Google and Amazon, due to fears that the so-called “Facebook tax” could jeopardise a post-Brexit trade deal.

Yet another U-Turn Mr. Sunak?

The Tory Party .............the tax-dodgers' best friend!

You've got to protect the wealth creators, man.

We all want to be wealthier, right? Well, then we need to make sure the engines of growth are loaded up with wealth. We have to make sacrifices to make that happen. Sure, we all get poorer as a result, so what do you do? We make sure the engines of growth are loaded up with wealth. We have to make sacrifices to make that happen. Sure, we all get poorer as a result, so what do we do? We make sure the engines of growth are loaded up with wealth. We have to make sacrifices to make that happen. Sure, we all get poorer as a result...

Posted: **Sun Aug 23, 2020 3:04 pm**

Eat The Rich wrote: ↑Sun Aug 23, 2020 2:26 pm
NuneatonO's wrote: ↑Sun Aug 23, 2020 2:09 pm UK to drop 'Facebook tax' in favour of post-Brexit trade deal
Recently introduced tax would have raised £500m, helping to reduce Britain’s huge Covid bill

https://www.theguardian.com/business/20 ... trade-deal

The UK government is preparing to drop a recently introduced tax on global technology companies such as Facebook, Google and Amazon, due to fears that the so-called “Facebook tax” could jeopardise a post-Brexit trade deal.

Yet another U-Turn Mr. Sunak?

The Tory Party .............the tax-dodgers' best friend!
You've got to protect the wealth creators, man.

We all want to be wealthier, right? Well, then we need to make sure the engines of growth are loaded up with wealth. We have to make sacrifices to make that happen. Sure, we all get poorer as a result, so what do you do? We make sure the engines of growth are loaded up with wealth. We have to make sacrifices to make that happen. Sure, we all get poorer as a result, so what do we do? We make sure the engines of growth are loaded up with wealth. We have to make sacrifices to make that happen. Sure, we all get poorer as a result...

Sounds like a 70s song by some over-rated rock band

Posted: **Sun Aug 23, 2020 3:06 pm**

I have to say how sorry I feel for BoJo, after having to cut his Scottish cliff-edge tent & cottaging holiday short.

If only I had a, er, violin to play a sad tune for him. Wonder if he knows anyone that has one just in case he fancies a quick fiddle?

Posted: **Sun Aug 23, 2020 5:34 pm**

I can understand why he needed the break. It sounds like he's getting a lot of hassle from his own party. There's trouble at the mill.

Posted: **Tue Aug 25, 2020 10:36 am**

Even the

Johnson-defending, Brexit-supporting Daily Express ia now running a story advising what to stockpile, when a No Deal Brexit kicks in!

Brexit food shortages: What to stockpile as no-deal Brexit looms
NO-DEAL BREXIT is now looking like a distinct possibility for the UK at the end of this year. What should you stockpile in the event of a no-deal Brexit?
https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/13266 ... eal-brexit

This is the very same newspaper that for years has been blowing the trumpet for Brexit. Everything was going to be 'better', wasn't it?

There was an 'oven-ready deal' promised by the Tory Party.................where is it?

Now we are looking at shortages and stockpiling.

Oh my dear little Tory Brexiters.........what have you gone and done to our Country!

Posted: **Tue Aug 25, 2020 11:26 am**

NuneatonO's wrote: ↑Tue Aug 25, 2020 10:36 am
Oh my dear little Tory Brexiters.........what have you gone and done to our Country![/i][/b]

I don't know why you keep asking this question; you're leaving. For a better life in a better country.

Posted: **Tue Aug 25, 2020 11:29 am**

Ornchurch wrote: ↑Tue Aug 25, 2020 11:26 am
NuneatonO's wrote: ↑Tue Aug 25, 2020 10:36 am
Oh my dear little Tory Brexiters.........what have you gone and done to our Country![/i][/b]
I don't know why you keep asking this question; you're leaving. For a better life in a better country.

We're not taking our entire extended family!

Anyway, forget about our pending escape - that's not important.

What is important, for the majority of people in the UK, is the issue of stockpiling due to a No Deal Brexit; and this advice coming from (of all places!) an outlet of the Mainstream Media that has been so supportive of Brexit throughout. Blue Passports, Unicorns, the "oven-ready deal", you name it - they've promised the lot.

https://images.app.goo.gl/HMMhp1h2HjWAMsnL7

Tax Cuts, No Deal - nothing to fear, blaming the EU for a No Deal (hang on, I thought we had nothing to fear), etc. etc.

So..........any views?

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